Med Students... *gasp* caught cheating!

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http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/upstate_medical_students_may_b.html


Personally, it was a medical literature class. It was ONLINE.... and 100/140 admitted to collaborating on the quizzes. We've all done it. If you haven't , then get some friends!

After 4 years of med school, and passing tests like the MCAT and the USMLE... you'd think SUNY would forgive such a minor transgression. If anything it speaks to their character and selectivity as a school. It selected 100/140 HONEST cheaters. The other 40 are clearly spineless liars.
 
CodeBlu said:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/upstate_medical_students_may_b.html


Personally, it was a medical literature class. It was ONLINE.... and 100/140 admitted to collaborating on the quizzes. We've all done it. If you haven't , then get some friends!

After 4 years of med school, and passing tests like the MCAT and the USMLE... you'd think SUNY would forgive such a minor transgression. If anything it speaks to their character and selectivity as a school. It selected 100/140 HONEST cheaters. The other 40 are clearly spineless liars.
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Or, say, do something crazy like just don't cheat. I admit I cheated some back in high school, but going for pre-med the stakes are just way too high. That would go triple once I'm actually in med school.
 
What exactly does collaborating on quizzes entail? It's kind of vague.
 
I am assuming, someone took the quiz. Passed around the answers via e-mail.
Via school e-mail.

ROOKIE MISTAKE. Or they all sat around and did the quizzes together.
 
It would be funny to see 2/3 of the entire graduating class dismissed.
 
CodeBlu - I agree with you. It speaks to the integrity of the 100 students for coming forward and saying they collaborated ("cheated"). Many of the students had already spoken about the difficulty of the course during the fourth year and during travel - so the school already knew there was a risk of students seeking help to get through the busy year. And really, to collaborate is a more adult way to get through a project when you have many tasks/responsibilities.
 
In high school I cheated my ass off, in college I do occasionally but theres really nothing you can cheat on since it's just mainly tests. By medical school I will hope my cheating habits are long gone.
 
People will always cheat in all fields, The best thing that can be done is to minimize the opportunities to do so. Proctor all exams, always change reused questions significantly, etc.
 
A student reported to Upstate officials in mid-February that students enrolled in the class were collaborating on taking tests online. Upstate said it immediately alerted faculty and urged students in the class to come forward with information on the matter. It subsequently received e-mails from about 100 of the 140 students enrolled in the class.

Some students acknowledged they collaborated on quizzes, but Upstate has not determined yet how many may have violated the student code, Scheinman said.
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I don't think this means that all 100 admitted to cheating. It's pretty bad but let's not assume that we've all cheated (since college).
 
iqe2010 said:
In high school I cheated my ass off, in college I do occasionally but theres really nothing you can cheat on since it's just mainly tests. By medical school I will hope my cheating habits are long gone.
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Don't get caught. Or else med school will be bye bye.
 
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Can anyone here say they really haven't shared lab reports or something crappy? I collaborated on ALL of my physics lab reports and at least 2/3 of all lab reports.
 
My med school class lost a student in 2nd year after she was caught cheating. She was instantly kicked out.
Don't try to cheat in med school. They take it very seriously and you will feel like an idiot for throwing away so many years of hard work.
Especially because the board exams are more important than classroom scores anyway.
 
mmmcdowe said:
People will always cheat in all fields, The best thing that can be done is to minimize the opportunities to do so. Proctor all exams, always change reused questions significantly, etc.
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Agreed. I've had some lazy professors who use the exact same exams or labs semester after semester, and it's no wonder students find ways to cheat. Mix it up a little.

Another thing, I think it's important that the institution or specific class makes it very clear what is allowed and what isn't. It's pretty obvious that collaborating on an exam is a no-no, but what about working together on homework assignments, or something along those lines?
 
I don't like collaborating on problem sets anyway. Other people just drag me down 😉
 
Person0715 said:
I don't like collaborating on problem sets anyway. Other people just drag me down 😉
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Clearly. You're better off working on your own!

But, in this sense, I think they'd be STUPID to dismiss them. It's not the END of the world. It's not like they cheated on the USMLE.
 
I don't "respect" those 100 students at all! They realized that their asses were on the line so they panicked and started e-mailing people to make it seem like it wasn't their fault. For all we know, they could've started naming names and blaming it on each other. The psyche of a cheater most likely will work that way.

But I agree, in high school everyone would cheat given an opportunity like this, however, with expulsion on the line, it's complete idiocy to follow such patterns at University or Medical School.
 
Who is the gunner that turned them in?

I guarantee you cheating goes on in every med school. The reason why it's never seen is because med students are smart and they don't suck at cheating.
 
Shizz said:
Who is the gunner that turned them in?

I guarantee you cheating goes on in every med school. The reason why it's never seen is because med students are smart and they don't suck at cheating.
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I know for a FACT that cheating goes on at certain med schools. Not on stupid online quizzes. But on ACTUAL exams.

WSU-SOM has a policy now that you're not allowed to see your exam. Some students were going to see their exams, Say exam was a hypothetical 40 questions. Student 1 would memorize questions 1-5, Student 2 would memorize questions 6-10 etc. etc. etc. Or something of the sort. I heard this from a student at the school. But no doubt it happens at other schools too.

Now that's worse in my opinion than cheating on a measly quiz.

Profs are becoming increasingly lazy. No need to form new questions they thing. Yes, the material doesn't really change, but you can find new ways of asking the same questions.
 
Quote: "Upstate began looking into the matter after a student reported to school officials that students were collaborating while taking tests online."

One student. Honor code. I love it.

Not that I am condoning cheating. But this person is probably not well liked among his peers anymore. That's for sure.
 
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If I were them I would have merely wrote an essay about how teamwork is the foundation of competent health care delivery.
 
This story is 4 months old and has been discussed on upstate-specific threads
 
man i hate snitches. i can only imagine decking some nerdy asian kid if he turned everyone in like that then telling him to perform first aid on himself.
 
I bet the person who turned them in is "THAT" guy

you know, the one who always sucks up to the teacher

or asks questions he already knows the answer to in class

or reminds the teacher that homework sets were due today
 
Bowchickawowwow said:
I don't "respect" those 100 students at all! They realized that their asses were on the line so they panicked and started e-mailing people to make it seem like it wasn't their fault. For all we know, they could've started naming names and blaming it on each other. The psyche of a cheater most likely will work that way.

But I agree, in high school everyone would cheat given an opportunity like this, however, with expulsion on the line, it's complete idiocy to follow such patterns at University or Medical School.
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Yes, let's give the snitch a medal.
 
Of course cheating goes on in medical school. You'd be an idiot to think that it doesn't.

Step 1/2/3 helps with that though, as there's no way to cheat during those tests.
 
fahimaz7 said:
Of course cheating goes on in medical school. You'd be an idiot to think that it doesn't.

Step 1/2/3 helps with that though, as there's no way to cheat during those tests.
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True dat, you're only hurting yourself by cheating.
 
I don't condone cheating in any way, but I think if anyone should be punished it should be the snitch. It just shows how unready he/she is to hold a position of leadership. If you can't handle sh** like that yourself, you have no business being here. If that person had a problem with students collaborating on online quizzes, then he/she should have just confronted the students instead of running to the administration. Give them the opportunity to correct themselves! And who cares in the first place....it was a medical literature course, lol. C'mon Upstate, if you don't want your students collaborating on online quizzes for a literature course, then give the quizzes in the classroom.
 
Oh and I found the snitch. He's a SDN member!!!

flatearth22 said:
brb forwarding this thread to all 126 medical schools who will easily find out who you are based on your distinctive MCAT scores (srs).

Enjoy fighting in Iran in 3 years! :laugh:
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Violations may have ranged from unauthorized collaboration on a quiz to failing to report cases of suspected academic dishonesty.
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So if you don't snitch on the cheaters you can receive disciplinary action as well?😕
 
Liked the article, but why is this news? It's just another way to discredit the healthcare system and make people hate doctors.
 
I feel the snitch is someone who would cheat in a heartbeat..but nobody else likes that person and doesn't share anything with them. So as a result of being an outcast, that person gets back at all of the other people and gives them up. Happened in a biochemistry course I took.

I agree with the previous comment that it is the snitch who should be reprimanded. Not for the act of snitching but because that person simply cannot handle the social aspect of being a doctor. I hate people like that.😡
 
30Percent said:
So if you don't snitch on the cheaters you can receive disciplinary action as well?😕
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You noticed that too eh?

If you follow the directions of the school honor code and report on your cheating peers, then you are "unfit for leadership", a dirty rotten snitch, ostracized by your peers, and we might as well invoke Burnett's Law on the reporting party.

Of course if you don't report the violation, then you directly disobey the honor code of your school, you will receive academic punishment, be dishonorable to the profession, demonstrate poor judgement, have no sense of ethics, etc.

This sounds like a great interview question. Is the only correct solution to refuse to acknowledge or abide by the schools honor code, and put that in writing? There was a dude at Princeton in the 1980s who managed to do that, and the university was forced to proctor all of his exams in private.
 
MT Headed said:
You noticed that too eh?

If you follow the directions of the school honor code and report on your cheating peers, then you are "unfit for leadership", a dirty rotten snitch, ostracized by your peers, and we might as well invoke Burnett's Law on the reporting party.

Of course if you don't report the violation, then you directly disobey the honor code of your school, you will receive academic punishment, be dishonorable to the profession, demonstrate poor judgement, have no sense of ethics, etc.

This sounds like a great interview question. Is the only correct solution to refuse to acknowledge or abide by the schools honor code, and put that in writing? There was a dude at Princeton in the 1980s who managed to do that, and the university was forced to proctor all of his exams in private.
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It's not a hard concept. If you see someone doing **** that they are not supposed to do, then you have to report it. Most cases result in a slap on the wrist. But, academic dishonesty can get you kicked out of medical school, or you may have to re-mediate the entire course.
 
I am currently archiving all the labs, homework, etc. for every class I take. I have whole folders of any stuff that ever was posted on blackboard. And currently already have a friend that am sharing all this stuff with.

Collaborated with homework over text and Facebook, shared lab reports, etc. Obviously I do not go around giving the stuff away to everyone, just people that know me.

Heck, a girl in one of my classes missed an exam and did a mass email asking "how wad the exam?" I replied back with what questions there were, where the stuff is referenced in the notes and even explained the stuff.

AMCAS cares about your grades more than how you got them, cut this honesty bull****, might as well got o carribean with that attitude.
 
fahimaz7 said:
It's not a hard concept. If you see someone doing **** that they are not supposed to do, then you have to report it. Most cases result in a slap on the wrist. But, academic dishonesty can get you kicked out of medical school, or you may have to re-mediate the entire course.
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Prove that I saw it? I'd love to see that go down. Besides, medical schools have legal counsel that would just tell them not to pursue it further. As soon as a lawyer sees the case. "Alleged that this person saw someone cheating and didn't report it..." they would laugh their tail off.
 
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People underestimate the amount of damage that academic switching dishonesty will do. You can probably murder someone and still get off a lot easier. Sure medical school will probably a lost chance, but at least you will not be labeled as academically dishonest everywhere.
 
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MeowMeowCAT said:
I am currently archiving all the labs, homework, etc. for every class I take. I have whole folders of any stuff that ever was posted on blackboard. And currently already have a friend that am sharing all this stuff with.

Collaborated with homework over text and Facebook, shared lab reports, etc. Obviously I do not go around giving the stuff away to everyone, just people that know me.

Heck, a girl in one of my classes missed an exam and did a mass email asking "how wad the exam?" I replied back with what questions there were, where the stuff is referenced in the notes and even explained the stuff.

AMCAS cares about your grades more than how you got them, cut this honesty bull****, might as well got o carribean with that attitude.
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I'd be careful if I were you. Anything less than an immaculate record when it comes to matters of academic integrity can haunt you during application/interview time. A friend of mine was written up as an undergrad for having someone else sign him into a lecture at which he was not present, and the incident came up in every interview he had.
 
CodeBlu said:
Prove that I saw it? I'd love to see that go down. Besides, medical schools have legal counsel that would just tell them not to pursue it further. As soon as a lawyer sees the case. "Alleged that this person saw someone cheating and didn't report it..." they would laugh their tail off.
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Is it worth having to seek legal counsel of your own once the school chooses to dismiss you?

Certainly this transgression appears to have been a minor one (the collaborating on quizzes bit), but if the stakes are low, why cheat at all? I think it's a cause for concern when people have to scheme their way around the simplest of tasks.

Lastly, the "everyone cheats when given the opportunity" claim diffuse in this thread is bullsh**. Sounds like a bunch of people trying to justify their own lapses to me.
 
MeowMeowCAT said:
a girl in one of my classes missed an exam and did a mass email asking "how wad the exam?" I replied back with what questions there were
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Thas cheating bro
 
MeowMeowCAT said:
People underestimate the amount of damage that academic dishonesty will do. You can probably murder someone and still get off a lot easier. Sure medical school will probably a lost chance, but at least you will not be labeled as academically dishonest everywhere.
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corrected to the statement I believe. Dishonesty seems worse than murder when it comes to applying to med school...
 
CodeBlu said:
You mean they're letting murderers into medical school???

Surgeons gotta channel their energy somewhere I guess.
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Well they do allow military veterans get into medical schools, so I guess it is perfectly find having a surgeon that killed a number of people.
 
Killing in the name of your country is apparently acceptable though...

Personally, I think military doctors are conflicted. "Let's shoot to kill". Then back at base camp, the doctor sutures up his own. It goes against everything that medicine stands for.

Whatever, that's for another thread, another day.
 
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