Median first year pay

[medgator]

I can't wait to finish residency and hopefully go back for fellowship and get a job. I would be ecstatic if I could get a Kaiser job in a a good socal location. I know by midwestern standards thats a **** job but I'll take it with my beaches, weather, and my people. You know, a place with schools where the kids don't get made fun of for being asian and different.

TX and FL offer the option of larger metro areas with diversity, no snow scrapers (outside of maybe Dallas), and much better salaries, although the humidity does suck

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[anonperson]

I'm having some trouble telling if you are serious or not, but this might be the first time I've heard someone say something to that effect.

Do Asians really feel unwelcome in the midwest?

Not overt racism. No one was burning a cross on my font yard or anything but certain little things came up.

I remember a scrub tech refer to a black attending of mine as that colored doc. Wasnt even said maliciously but this is how certain people thought and how they described them.

When driving out to some rural clinics, not uncommon to see houses with the confederate flag hoisted in front of houses. This was in the north east as well.

Little things like that can grate on you.

This stuff can and does happen everywhere but there is a certain pattern on where it occurs.

 

[jorts42]

Not overt racism. No one was burning a cross on my font yard or anything but certain little things came up.

I remember a scrub tech refer to a black attending of mine as that colored doc. Wasnt even said maliciously but this is how certain people thought and how they described them.

When driving out to some rural clinics, not uncommon to see houses with the confederate flag hoisted in front of houses. This was in the north east as well.

Little things like that can grate on you.

This stuff can and does happen everywhere but there is a certain pattern on where it occurs.

Exactly. Even if my child isn't the butt of "squinty eye" jokes, friendships and sports and dating are not as blind to race in these places as in more diverse areas.

To be honest, kids can be mean anywhere. If it's not race, they'll pick on you for all sorts of other things like your weight, clothes, name, hair, physical awkwardness, etc. I've been picked on including racial slurs for being Irish for example.

im sorry that happened to you. i see your point but i believe my child will be better off in a more diverse area

 

[Rads312]

I shouldn't have refered to rural areas as fly over. Maybe things have changed since I lived there.

Anyways is it true that the physician shortage is so substantial that the first year attending pay and vacation is that much higher than the saturated "desirable" areas?

Yes, I think so.

I live in a large city and the vacation is about 4 weeks more and yearly starting salary nearly 75k more if you go about 60 miles out to a more rural setting.

 

[Rads312]

P.S for what it's worth i grew up in a small town in the midwest and am of southeast asian heritage. Yes, there was some racist crap I had to deal with growing up, but not a LOT less than my cousins who were living in Chicago or New Jersey. My best friends are still my friends from middle school in my hometown.

 

[Rads312]

To be honest, kids can be mean anywhere. If it's not race, they'll pick on you for all sorts of other things like your weight, clothes, name, hair, physical awkwardness, etc. I've been picked on including racial slurs for being Irish for example.

Yeah, I agree. In my experience if you're living in a large city ( or well to do suburb of a big city ) you may not get as much racist stuff, but Kids can always be mean to each other about how expensive your clothes are, what kind of car you get, how big your house is, etc etc

 

[jorts42]

I live in a large city and the vacation is about 4 weeks more and yearly starting salary nearly 75k more if you go about 60 miles out to a more rural setting.

60 miles from where? Large city like Chicago or mid sized city like Cleveland?

 

[bashwell]

Exactly. Even if my child isn't the butt of "squinty eye" jokes, friendships and sports and dating are not as blind to race in these places as in more diverse areas.



im sorry that happened to you. i see your point but i believe my child will be better off in a more diverse area

Nah it's cool man. Almost 20 years later, it doesn't bother me in the slightest, to be honest. I'm sure others have gone through much worse things than I have. I know handicapped kids who had it much worse than I did for example.

I think you just have to live where you feel most happy, comfortable, etc., for yourself, and your future family. If that's in a more "diverse" place, then that's cool. But keep in mind even if you end up in some place that's not as "diverse" as you might like for residency, you could always move after residency.

By the way I know of an Asian guy who was (shall we say) really well liked by a lot of the (mostly non-Asian) girls in the area partially because he was one of the very few Asian guys in the area. So you never know, being Asian might work to your advantage too!

 

[Rads312]

60 miles from where? Large city like Chicago or mid sized city like Cleveland?

Chicago.

To be specific , salaries are so so in the city with lots of work. The suburbs are decent - but if you go one hour out to Indiana or Wisconsin , the guys are killing it out there.

You'd have to pay me millions to live in Cleveland lol.

 

[jorts42]

Chicago.

To be specific , salaries are so so in the city with lots of work. The suburbs are decent - but if you go one hour out to Indiana or Wisconsin , the guys are killing it out there.

You'd have to pay me millions to live in Cleveland lol.

thank you for the information

 

[RadsFTW123]

I shouldn't have refered to rural areas as fly over. Maybe things have changed since I lived there.

Anyways is it true that the physician shortage is so substantial that the first year attending pay and vacation is that much higher than the saturated "desirable" areas?

Don't drink the AAMCs Kool Aid that there's a doctor shortage, they just want more tuition money, and teaching hospitals want more cheap labor as residents, and eventually, lower attending salaries.

There's a shortage of PCPs who want to work in poor and/or rural areas. There's also a shortage of surgical subspecialists because they are a well-managed cartel/monopoly. There's too many of almost everything else.