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Any insight, experiences, advice ?
I am looking at going on a Medical Mission trip this coming June. It is a Green plan as of now. I would be practicing as a Paramedic. Also intend on applying next cycle. How helpful is it to the app process ? I'm sure it will contribute to my Narrative and diversity recognition.

Any input is appreciated

Thanks guys and good luck to all of those still waiting on II and Congrats to those who have been accepted!!!!

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These things make a lot of my committee members very uncomfortable.
Though they still make my skin crawl, they are so common that I now realize that applicants believe that they are expected or desirable. They are not.
Dang didn't realize that it has become a questionable attribute. I still would like to go for the experience, a few of my family members and close friends have gone. They have all had nothing but positive things to say when they returned, none of which have any intentions on applying to medical school.
 
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Dang didn't realize that it has become a questionable attribute. I still would like to go for the experience, a few of my family members and close friends have gone. They have all had nothing but positive things to say when they returned, none of which have any intentions on applying to medical school.
If you are going for your own benefit, make sure that you are not displacing locals from a job or reducing their pay by your presence.
 
Make sure you are not providing care that you are not qualified/trained/certified to deliver. A friend of mine did this in south america before applying to medical school and had a very negative reaction to it during one of her interviews.

Any insight, experiences, advice ?
I am looking at going on a Medical Mission trip this coming June. It is a Green plan as of now. I would be practicing as a Paramedic. Also intend on applying next cycle. How helpful is it to the app process ? I'm sure it will contribute to my Narrative and diversity recognition.

Any input is appreciated

Thanks guys and good luck to all of those still waiting on II and Congrats to those who have been accepted!!!!
 
I've been a Paramedic for 6 years now and wouldn't intend on doing anything there that I have not done state side. I didn't realize that a mission trips are viewed with such pessimism. Thanks for the Insight guys.
Very enlightening
 
I've been a Paramedic for 6 years now and wouldn't intend on doing anything there that I have not done state side. I didn't realize that a mission trips are viewed with such pessimism. Thanks for the Insight guys.
Very enlightening
they are historically rife with things like premed students coming back hollering, "zomg, I totally scrubbed in first assist!" and all other manner of things they aren't qualified to do
 
I hate to pull the "I know what youre talking about card" ....... BUT I know what you're talking about lol. It appears to be at the disposal of the participating individual. I have never been on one and have only the testimonies of my family members and close friends who have, I would expect nothing more than a few IM injections and sets of vital signs I would be operating in a very rudimentary style clinic/group setting with a PA/NP. I have no idea what medical needs I would be aiding or assisting in, all I know is that I am capable and competent within my state side scope of practice, and would enjoy doing something for others who may actually appreciate it for once.
 
It sounds as though you have qualifications that MANY other pre-meds who go on these trips do not have. IF you are qualified and can render care in an ethical manner (not doing something that you are not licensed to do) then by all means go for it. What you need to be wary of is being put in scenario to render care to which you are not qualified. This is something that many medical missions provide to pre-med students that are willing to pay a premium to beef up their application. In many cases, this backfires because it was unethical for that pre-med student to render that care in the first place.

I've been a Paramedic for 6 years now and wouldn't intend on doing anything there that I have not done state side. I didn't realize that a mission trips are viewed with such pessimism. Thanks for the Insight guys.
Very enlightening
 
I hate to pull the "I know what youre talking about card" ....... BUT I know what you're talking about lol. It appears to be at the disposal of the participating individual. I have never been on one and have only the testimonies of my family members and close friends who have, I would expect nothing more than a few IM injections and sets of vital signs I would be operating in a very rudimentary style clinic/group setting with a PA/NP. I have no idea what medical needs I would be aiding or assisting in, all I know is that I am capable and competent within my state side scope of practice, and would enjoy doing something for others who may actually appreciate it for once.
If your presence reduces the chance that ongoing care might become available, don't do it.
This is the other half of the ethical dilemma.
 
Puh This guy right here is trying to find the most economical route..... I've got plenty of real world experience from here in the U.S I would be doing this as a favor or Gesture to a impoverished society.
 
If your presence reduces the chance that ongoing care might become available, don't do it.
This is the other half of the ethical dilemma.
I see your vantage point, this has been noted.
 
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I've been a Paramedic for 6 years now and wouldn't intend on doing anything there that I have not done state side. I didn't realize that a mission trips are viewed with such pessimism. Thanks for the Insight guys.
Very enlightening

Its not a problem unless

A) you're performing procedures you're not licensed/certified to perform

or

B) you spend most of the time being a tourist rather than actually caring for patients

Unfortunately, the phrase "medical mission trip" has taken on a negative connotation over the past 10 years or so since becoming increasingly popular among traditional pre-meds (who have no medical training or skills). They generally have nothing to offer on these trips and just use them to boost their CVs while essentially taking an expensive vacation overseas.

Despite the above posters, global health experience is still generally viewed very favorably especially if you can show that you made a definite positive impact and weren't doing anything unethical. That being said, a week long trip is not going to have much effect if at all as compared to spending a month or even a year overseas. If you had asked about working overseas as a paramedic for an international humanitarian organization (Red Cross, IMC, IRC, MSF, etc...) for 2 or 3 months, the responses on here would be much different.
 
As part of my current employment, I screen college graduates for a selective (12% acceptance rate) service organization. One thing we all look for and spend a lot of time screening out who is really committed to a cause (doesn't matter what it is) and who is going through the motions (i'm not saying this is you!) It is really common for us to see 1 or 2 week stints on traveling service trips both abroad and in the US (my university had them every break). While these trips are a great experience for the applicant, they really do not reveal any sort of commitment to any cause as it is not sustained over a longer period of time. If you volunteered abroad with an organization for a longer period of time, it would take away some of those doubts. Additionally, if you followed up your short time abroad with some type of fundraising/advocacy/awareness campaign in your community, that could demonstrate your commitment as well. Not trying to be negative and I do believe you are trying to be altruistic. I think if you take it a bit father it could really help demonstrate your character on your app.
 
A) you're performing procedures you're not licensed/certified to perform

or

B) you spend most of the time being a tourist rather than actually caring for patients
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That's the problem though. You can't really do anything, and then you end up just watching. Your better off volunteering at home and sending money (rather than yourself) overseas
 
For example, how much money does your flight round trip cost? How far could those dollars go if they were used directly? Its like how we look at charities and how many dollars are actually used on services vs. CEO pay. The flight here is the CEO
 
My colleagues consider these "medical tourism "
This.

Adcoms recognize that the purpose of these trips is primarily to benefit the premed by serving as a "feel-good" vacation. Think about it. If professional groups that have worked for years or decades to improve health care in an underserved community abroad haven't managed to provide all the care that is necessary, what do you realistically expect to accomplish in one week? Particularly for those of you with no medical skills, you'd be much better off contributing your cash to charities that provide sustainable health care services by people who do possess those skills and that level of commitment. Or, if you want to travel abroad (a worthy pursuit for its own sake), then why waste your limited vacation time playing at being a volunteer?

OP, if you want to work with the underserved, no need to go abroad to do this. Especially here in the South, we have a surfeit of medically underserved people right here in our own local communities. If you have language skills, those are useful here at home too. In short, there is nothing you can accomplish by volunteering abroad that you couldn't accomplish by volunteering locally. And I suspect most adcoms would agree that a sustained volunteering commitment over months or years at home hands down beats out a medical tourist vacation week abroad.
 
I agree with parts of your statements, but I feel the principals behind many short term trips is being lost in the generalization. These missions go beyond the personal investment of each individual.

I agree that short term trips without a long term plan can bring harm to the country being served. But, short term trips can be a part of a successful long term plan. Read the book “When Helping Hurts” Amazon product ASIN 0802409989
In short, the book talks about educating and empowering the people. The short term trips need to provide access to education or services that are not available to the population. In the case of medicine it is more complicated than just educating them. It takes 12 years of training minimum post high school to become a physician in the United States. In this case an infrastructure needs to be established to educate high quality physicians in the local population. This takes years to estabolish and there must be physicians to provide continuous care until the local physicians have been educated. Sure, many of these countries have doctors, but you will find a majority of them have less training than MA’s in the US. Ethically these doctors need to be trained more to practice and a higher standard need to be set for them. Even if they could be trusted to provide the same quality of care as a developed country there are rarely enough doctors to serve an entire population equally.

I am sure some countries are more advanced than this, but the same principles of empowering and educating the people can be applied to whatever infrastructure they have. The end goal should be a world that has equally qualified physicians in every country. Obviously this is near impossible to do, but this also shows the necessity for more physicians and medical professionals providing these trips.

This is where short term missions come into play. I concur, if there will be no support after a trip than the trip is almost useless. Alternatively, there are teams going on short term trips through a structured mission throughout the year providing continuous care. These trips can be extremely successful. All of this with the groups working together toward educating and empowering the people provide for themselves in the future.

It does not matter that the students on the trip are ‘useless’ for medical practice. They are the future educators and empowers of the people. I have experienced the frustration of seeing horrific trauma and not being capable to help. But, other students and I trained for months before hand on vitals and learning the basic local language. While these are all small contributions they make a difference. If we had doctors directing people around a clinic, keeping the crowds organized and educating them on how to make clean drinking water they would see fewer patients. Just like any good business a member of the team that is highly qualified should not be doing a task someone less qualified can do just as effectively.

It is true students can feel just as frustrated seeing trauma in an ER in the US, but that motivates students in the field of medicine. It is not until the student experiences this feeling on the mission field that they feel the same draw to medicine in the mission field.

It is also true you could higher locals to do the same job as the students. Think of this as a business thinks of advertising. Good networking and advertising is essential to making a business successful. Think about the network of physicians in the medical field as the business. Then think about all the innocent, or not so innocent at times, pre-med students that tag along as the target audience for advertising. These students are the investment of the business. These trips can expose students to unique experiences that only the mission field can give. These experiences can help clarify the principles of ‘When Helping Hurts.” While there is need for physicians in underprivileged communities of the US the need is not the same as a 3rd world country. Not all students will apply these principals through their career as a physician. But, if no investment is made to recruit the future physicians, at the pre-med stage, there will not be as many physicians educating and empowering underprivileged countries in the future.

Sorry for the long post. I could go on for days about this. If you can’t tell I am the pre-med student that had their life changed during a ‘useless’ short term trip. I have been and will continue to network and raise awareness in the US and I hope to teach at a medical school in a 3rd world country someday. I would not have these goals without my experiences overseas. So while many ADCOMS see the students that are just padding their application, it should be pretty easy to weed them out through a couple interview questions.

Personally I am disappointed I read this thread after I submitted my application. I figured my motives and visions for these trips would be a given. I talked mostly about my personal experiences during my trips in my description. Hopefully I get the chance to clarify my thoughts during an interview!
 
if you want to work with the underserved, no need to go abroad to do this. Especially here in the South, we have a surfeit of medically underserved people right here in our own local communities.
I understand what you are trying to say, but this implies it is only about OP's desire. You probably stated this in the context that short term trips overseas are "medical tourism." It sounds like you are trying to say 1 week in the US looks better than 1 week overseas. Shouldn't it be about the heart behind the service?
 
I understand what you are trying to say, but this implies it is only about OP's desire. You probably stated this in the context that short term trips overseas are "medical tourism." It sounds like you are trying to say 1 week in the US looks better than 1 week overseas. Shouldn't it be about the heart behind the service?
No, I am saying that a sustained volunteer gig in the US is better than a week trip overseas. Most of us cannot take off and go volunteer abroad for a year or two. If you can, more power to you. But we can all volunteer a couple of hours per week over a year or two here at home.
 
Most of us cannot take off and go volunteer abroad for a year or two.
I understand that. I wont be able to either, but I do want to serve short term trips though out my career. Then I want to teach when I retire from practicing and have the time.

I don't know if you read my post, but I described the structure organizations have been using to provide care and empower communities. All of this is accomplished with many short term trips throughout the year to the same area. Not many physicians can devote their entire life to missions, but the back to back trip method provides more opportunities to people to serve effectively.

Sorry if I derailed the thread, I just wanted to make sure everyone knows short term trips can be done effectively.

@ROSC If your heart is in the right place and the organization you are going through is sustainable you should do it. If anything it will just provoke interview questions that will help the ADCOM see your good heart (that's just an assumption 😉).
 
OK, so I am a DO student, and at my school, having talked to the admissions committee members, I can tell you that they don't have the same squeamishness that other admissions people here are saying they have about medical mission trips. However. It could matter what trip you go on, what you do on said trip, etc. Here is my take: I didn't go as a premed for many of the reasons stated above. I have gone as a medical student on missions sponsored through my COM. We do 5-6 a year at established sites and the dean goes on a couple as well. These are multi-disciplinary trips that also bring dental care, health screenings, PT, OT, pharmacy and optometry to parts of countries that have access issues. On the medical side, there is one attending for every two students, including attendings from that country. We do only what we would do as students with attendings in the States: nursing students do health screenings and intake with oversight from their professors. The medical students do histories and physical exams, which are checked by the attending, and we confer on the assessment and plan. Could I have done this as a premed? No. Could I have helped by weighing and taking blood pressures and doing intake as some of our pre meds on the trip do? Yes.

I personally feel that volunteering in your own backyard shows dedication to helping others and there is no need to go abroad for "medical tourism." As a medical student, it gave me insight into how healthcare works in another country and I learned an incredible amount from spending a concentrated period of time with my professors and attendings from that other country, and we brought medical supplies and equipment and distributed it to people who needed it right there and then (how that impacts how their government handles the deficit in the long term remains the issue). We brought specialists to a country that lacked enough of those providers to see the people who need them. The GPs from that country learned from didactics we had every day on various topics presented by the specialists. The local politicians in the country I visited said the reports we give help them advocate with their national government for more funding and facilities and they have seen progress as a result over two decades. But it's a bandaid, not a cure.
 
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