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now that is a first!!!

"world ranking"

lol you planning to move out of the country? ;) hehe
 
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Just curious, what are some of the really good foreign medical schools? I find it hard to believe that none of them is the same caliber as US schools.
 

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Do a search. It has been discussed before. The US schools actually ranked a lot lower than many of you might imagine.
 

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I heard McGill in Canada is supposed to be on par with a top 25 U.S. Any credence to that statement?
 
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there are plenty of international medical schools that are on par, or arguably better than a majority of our institutions. there was a thread about this at some point as someone mentioned. us curriculums are unique in their intensely biomedical focus. in fact, there are other paradigms of medical education that have proved extremely successful, which take a more holistic view of the patient/disease process. an excellent book on the international history of medicine is "greatest benefit to mankind" or something but its by roy porter.
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McGill is good (esp since I'm a canuck)
I'm guessing that Scandinavian (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway) schools are good. Did you know: Sweden, Finland, and Denmark outpaces the US in research publication per capita? Patients are also more willing to undergo medicine research over there rather than over here.
 
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Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit
lol you planning to move out of the country? ;) hehe

Check the dude's location next time dimwit!
 

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all I know is that my Pakistani, Somali, and Indian classmates (in my School of Public Health) who graduated from their respective medical schools have told me in no uncertain terms that a US medical degree is the most well-respected, most well-recognized degree from the country with the best medical education system in the history of the word. They point out that our excellent, high-tech medical system allows our doctors to receive the best training the world has to offer, bar none.

yikes!

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it's a little ridiculous that so many people are assuming the u.s. is better. sure, the u.s. medical education system has a great reputation. however, i'm sure many countries have excellent medical schools as well. this is what's wrong with america today -- americans thinking the u.s. is superior to other countries.
 

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Originally posted by lola
it's a little ridiculous that so many people are assuming the u.s. is better. sure, the u.s. medical education system has a great reputation. however, i'm sure many countries have excellent medical schools as well. this is what's wrong with america today -- americans thinking the u.s. is superior to other countries.
lol - obviously you havent lived in other countries.
i'm joking - but only kind of. by far of all the places I've been to/lived in - and its a lot (7-8 countries) the US has the best health care infrastructure by far.
i dont know if I'd go so far as to say it is the best in the world - but if I had cancer, I'd rather have it in the US than anywhere else because the average level of care available and the depth of care is unparalleled.
i'm not all rah-rah America - I'm not even a US citizen - but I give credit where credit is due
 

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even if our health care infrastructure is great -- which it's not, maybe 10 years ago it was but it's slowly getting worse and worse -- that doesn't mean that other countries don't have good medical schools. i'm sure there are plenty of good schools throughout europe and probably in other countries as well. i, too, would rather have cancer in america than somewhere else, but i think a lot of this is due to access to better technology. it's not necessarily due to better medical schools.
 
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Check the dude's location next time dimwit!
HAHAHA, well even still....she has to move out of her country to come to the USA ;)

see, the joke still works haha :p u buffoon!!!! :D
 

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Hong Kong Medical University and Shanghai School of Medicine are quite good too. I believe they are the #1 and #2 in the country. However, their basketball system is poor. Therefore, I am immigrating here to play for the NBA.
 

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The world's most prestigious foreign med schools (in alph. order):

Brussels U, Belgium
Cambridge U, UK
Dijon U, France
Edinburgh U, UK (Scotland)
Geneva U, Switzerland
Gottingen U, Germany
Heidelberg U, Germany
Lille (Faculte Libre de Medicine), France
Lille (U.E.R.) U, France
Lyonel U, France
McGill U, Canada
Montpellier U, France
Munich U, Germany
Oxford U, UK
Toronto U, Canada
Vienna U, Austria
Zurich U, Switzerland

" [The government accounting office reports that] none of the foreign medical schools offered a medical education comparable to that available in the United States due to serious deficiencies in admission requirements, equipment, faculty, curriculum, and clinical training."

source :The Complete Medical School Preparation & Admissions Guide
 

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jot! Why would you not trust the government accounting office? :eek: The government never lies. Especially when they are comparing the US to other countries. :laugh:
 
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Originally posted by mrsdawes
Can someone offer the ranking of world medical schools to me, Thank you very much!:clap: :clap: :clap:
What about the Sorbonne ? They are regarded as the most prestigious University of Europe. (and from Candide's list, Fr had about 1/3 of the top Universities of the world).
 

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All I know is that in many Asian families that have pre-med children, the "med school rankings" go 1) harvard 2) JHU 3) any other US med school 4) Any med school in India or Pakistan 5) somewhere in central/south america (Ross, SGU, Universidad Autonomia de Guadalajara). You don't really hear much about McGill, Flinders, any Euro med school unless the family lives in Canada.

Useless info, but still...
 

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Originally posted by gold&black2005
All I know is that in many Asian families that have pre-med children, the "med school rankings" go 1) harvard 2) JHU 3) any other US med school 4) Any med school in India or Pakistan 5) somewhere in central/south america (Ross, SGU, Universidad Autonomia de Guadalajara). You don't really hear much about McGill, Flinders, any Euro med school unless the family lives in Canada.

Useless info, but still...
wow, i have never heard of any indian family suggesting their kid to india for med school if a u.s. school didn't work out. i know mine wouldn't.
 

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Really? Maybe it's only for those BS/MD programs. I know a lot of kids who apply to a school in India or Pakistan in senior year and end up there, then come back after 5 years to take USMLEs and stuff. Wierd...
 

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It's alot tougher for people to get into US Residencies from outside countries. And I'd have to say that most people in the US feel that US graduates are better, (even if that's not necessarily true.) I'm sure there are plenty of great schools around the world, but we in the US are very US-centric!
 
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jot! Why would you not trust the government accounting office? :eek: The government never lies. Especially when they are comparing the US to other countries. :laugh:
:laugh:
 

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The problem is that if you recive a medical degree in most other countries outside the US and even complete your residency, you still have to redo your entire residency to practice medicine in the US and if you have not taken the USMLE's you must take all three. I know this is true for most Asian medical schools, as well as, all the schools in South Africa. This is a hassle, and combined with the inherant difficulty in obtaining a residency itself in the US it makes a difficult process even worse.
 

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Originally posted by SocialistMD
Do a search. It has been discussed before. The US schools actually ranked a lot lower than many of you might imagine.
Right.... and who's doing the ranking? Let me guess.... Canada?

US schools are the best in the world.... with few exceptions. The top schools in Canada, Europe, and Asia are probably comparable to some mid-tier US schools.... but over all... the top 50 schools in the US are the top 50 in the world.
 

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I heard McGill in Canada is supposed to be on par with a top 25 U.S. Any credence to that statement?
I heard from a Canadian PhD that Canadian med schools are nothing in comparison to any US schools.
 
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Originally posted by lola
this is what's wrong with america today -- americans thinking the u.s. is superior to other countries.
There's nothing wrong with believing the truth.
 

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Originally posted by yaoming
Hong Kong Medical University and Shanghai School of Medicine are quite good too. I believe they are the #1 and #2 in the country. However, their basketball system is poor. Therefore, I am immigrating here to play for the NBA.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I had lived in Hong Kong for more than 15 years, i haven't heard a school called Hong Kong medical university. There are only 2 universities offer medical education in HK, the University of Hong Kong and the Chinese University of Hong Kong. The qulifications are MBBS and MBChB respectively. And both of the courses are 5-year. The University has applied the PBL learning.
 

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Originally posted by mrsdawes


I had lived in Hong Kong for more than 15 years, i haven't heard a school called Hong Kong medical university. There are only 2 universities offer medical education in HK, the University of Hong Kong and the Chinese University of Hong Kong. The qulifications are MBBS and MBChB respectively. And both of the courses are 5-year. The University has applied the PBL learning.
Chill out! I'm laughing about the NBA thing, not the med schools! And anyway, the original post isn't mine.
:rolleyes:
 

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i believe that the U.S. top 50 schools are great, but i think some of the best schools are in england and france. they consistently rank as top in physician training in the world. i don't remember which schools exactly- but i'll find out.

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there are loads of countries on par with the u.s.!
while the u.s. has a lot of great things going for it, plenty of other countries have different great things going for them. you can't really say one is superior to another unless there are major human rights violations going on in a country or something.
 

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Originally posted by poloace
i believe that the U.S. top 50 schools are great, but i think some of the best schools are in england and france. they consistently rank as top in physician training in the world. i don't remember which schools exactly- but i'll find out.

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Please show me this ranking
 

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Originally posted by lola
there are loads of countries on par with the u.s.!
while the u.s. has a lot of great things going for it, plenty of other countries have different great things going for them. you can't really say one is superior to another unless there are major human rights violations going on in a country or something.
If there are tons of countries on par/better than the US, please name one, it shouldnt be hard for you then
 

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ok, this is in reference to other countries in general, not their medical schools/medical systems.

sweden, denmark, canada, france, norway, etc... etc.. etc... the list goes on and on! it is so arrogant of americans to think we are superior to these countries. sure, our health care system/medical education *may* be (i don't know b/c i don't have experience with all these countries, altough i doubt our system is better than say sweden's). however, other things are NOT that great in america e.g. high rates of violent crime, the rich getting richer the poor getting poorer, etc... even if these countries have worse health care, they have other things going for them e.g. less violent crime, tasty food, culture, etc... i'd love to raise children in a country that i didn't have to worry so much about violent crime. not that violent crime doesn't exist in other countries, but it is much worse in america than in many other countries.
 

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"sweden, denmark, canada, france, norway, etc... etc.. etc... "

Well... I guess if such things like, productivity, technological advancement, accomplishment in every single field, diversity and freedom don't mean much to you... then sure!! They're on par with the USA!

Regarding the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer... that's just BS. Something like 70-80% of the USA is middle class. Very very few people are poor (despite the rumors). I can get you the actual statistics. Even so, it's a capitalist society... that's how it works.
 

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Originally posted by lola
not that violent crime doesn't exist in other countries, but it is much worse in america than in many other countries.
That greatly depends on what part of America you are talking about. Looking at national averages and national totals is misleading that way. There are plenty of perfectly safe (or nearly so) places to raise a family.
 

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i guess my point is that you can't really compare. it's like comparing apples and oranges and really depends on what you value in life. sure we're better for some things, but other countries have other things going for them.

as for technological advancement. sure, we may have a lot of strides, but it's not like other countries aren't productive or aren't technologically advanced. rather than making workers work 40+ hrs/week with 2 weeks of vacation/year, other countries have 35 hr work days with 4 or 5 weeks of vacation. to me, that is more important than how accomplished my country is!

plus we have a WHOLE lot more people in this country than in most. of course we're going to get more done!
 

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Originally posted by lola


plus we have a WHOLE lot more people in this country than in most. of course we're going to get more done!
That's so not true! THe USA is PER CAPITA (that's PER PERSON) far more productive than almost all other countries... maybe switzerland or the netherlands has higher (I'm not exactly sure). As far as major accomplishments go... like the internet and space and air travel... the USA is still the undisputed champ.


As far as working 40hr/wk goes. That's one of the things I love about the USA! Americans are SO hard working!
 

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maybe per capita the us is more productive -- i honestly don't know and don't care that much as long as we are semi-productive, but we don't get as much time off from work. imagine working a job where you only get 2 weeks off a year. it sucks! that's one nice vacation and no additional time off to paint your house or relax in your garden!
 

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ok, there are a bunch of unsubstantiated statistical claims made out there. Where is your frickin data to back up any of this crap?

I'm not going to tackle all of them, but here's just one claim mentioned: Americans most productive per capita, 40 hour work week. Where does that come from? please show me some real data before making these claims? Specifically, show me this comparison to american worker productivity to ohh, i dont know, Japan?

what makes a country "better" than another is pretty subjective.
per capita income, (i dont buy we have a higher per capita income than the swiss), distribution of wealth, quality of life, safety, environment, many factors play into this. I'm proud as anyone to be a U.S. citizen and federal employee, but lets not make empty claims here. :confused:
 
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