Meet your new NRMP president "Doctor" Donna L. Lamb D.H. Sc, M.B.A., B.S.N.

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"Dr. Lamb" got her doctorate of health sciences online from AT Still University and makes around 500k.

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Although don't think there's anything wrong with someone in nursing doing this, I do think a physician should be at the helm of this. Someone who has gone through the process. Not someone that operates through hearsay.
 
throwaway1000000 said:
Although don't think there's anything wrong with someone in nursing doing this, I do think a physician should be at the helm of this. Someone who has gone through the process. Not someone that operates through hearsay.
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I mean, nobody old enough to helm big orgs had an experience that resembles ours
 
efle said:
I mean, nobody old enough to helm big orgs had an experience that resembles ours
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Well then get a young physician who knows what's going on. Plenty of people on twitter that actively talk about the match process and ways to get it better and who have been through the process. Those are the kind of people that should be heading these organizations.

If NRMP is purely a dating service, that matches people together and have no other role I guess that's fine. I think it brings the bigger question as to why these organizations are charging that much if their role is solely to run an algorithm.
 
The NRMP has nothing to do with medicine. It's economic/mathematical.

That said, I would not call her "Dr. Lamb." I reserve the title "doctor" for physicians, dentists, and PhDs.
 
The problem with having a non-physician in this position is that they really do not understand what it's like to go through the Match process and are less likely to implement policies that are conducive to future resident success. Those advocating for a physician to be at the helm of the NRMP blimp ship are not saying a physician without business/Tinder experience should lead it. They are saying that having business/Tinder experience is necessary, but not sufficient. A prime example of why having a physician business leader is important is the SOAP process.

I am fortunate that I do not have to SOAP this week, but if I put on my empathy cap and really try to capture the experience of what some of my classmates are going through, I want to vomit. All you have to do is read the multiple Reddit SOAP threads from people with firsthand experience to see how frightening and utterly senseless it is. Why do those SOAPing have only an hour to deal with the shock of not matching, field phone calls and texts from family/friends about matching, rewrite their personal statements, and beg physicians to write new LORs for them? Why can't we find out ten days before Match day to give people at least a day to recuperate and then start reworking their apps?

Having a non-physician lead this process is like a man telling a woman how to deal with her period. Period.
 
curbsideconsult said:
The problem with having a non-physician in this position is that they really do not understand what it's like to go through the Match process and are less likely to implement policies that are conducive to future resident success. Those advocating for a physician to be at the helm of the NRMP blimp ship are not saying a physician without business/Tinder experience should lead it. They are saying that having business/Tinder experience is necessary, but not sufficient. A prime example of why having a physician business leader is important is the SOAP process.

I am fortunate that I do not have to SOAP this week, but if I put on my empathy cap and really try to capture the experience of what some of my classmates are going through, I want to vomit. All you have to do is read the multiple Reddit SOAP threads from people with firsthand experience to see how frightening and utterly senseless it is. Why do those SOAPing have only an hour to deal with the shock of not matching, field phone calls and texts from family/friends about matching, rewrite their personal statements, and beg physicians to write new LORs for them? Why can't we find out ten days before Match day to give people at least a day to recuperate and then start reworking their apps?

Having a non-physician lead this process is like a man telling a woman how to deal with her period. Period.
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I mean a huge chunk of the board are physicians or med students, aren’t they?
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I guess I’m just curious what difference you think a physician would make.
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What I wrote in my post about things like the SOAP process. It seems that every year there's a chorus of complaints about changing the SOAP process but it falls on deaf ears. I think if the head of NRMP or at least an operations manager equivalent were a physician, they would be more likely to make changes that help future residents.
 
curbsideconsult said:
The problem with having a non-physician in this position is that they really do not understand what it's like to go through the Match process and are less likely to implement policies that are conducive to future resident success. Those advocating for a physician to be at the helm of the NRMP blimp ship are not saying a physician without business/Tinder experience should lead it. They are saying that having business/Tinder experience is necessary, but not sufficient. A prime example of why having a physician business leader is important is the SOAP process.

I am fortunate that I do not have to SOAP this week, but if I put on my empathy cap and really try to capture the experience of what some of my classmates are going through, I want to vomit. All you have to do is read the multiple Reddit SOAP threads from people with firsthand experience to see how frightening and utterly senseless it is. Why do those SOAPing have only an hour to deal with the shock of not matching, field phone calls and texts from family/friends about matching, rewrite their personal statements, and beg physicians to write new LORs for them? Why can't we find out ten days before Match day to give people at least a day to recuperate and then start reworking their apps?

Having a non-physician lead this process is like a man telling a woman how to deal with her period. Period.
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This is 100% true. Whether it's because of a non-physician or a physician who doesn't understand the process leading this process, the end result is absurd. Actually now that I think about it, could care less about who is at the helm as long as it's someone that uses their brain. Give people that didn't match some time to breathe and think. Maybe a like a few days. Let them read the SOAP process and start interviewing again after they have a few hours to process. Have a friend who didn't match. In absolute panic mode. Ya, sure, it is tough but not matching doesn't have to be a crazy process like it is now.
 
curbsideconsult said:
What I wrote in my post about things like the SOAP process. It seems that every year there's a chorus of complaints about changing the SOAP process but it falls on deaf ears. I think if the head of NRMP or at least an operations manager equivalent were a physician, they would be more likely to make changes that help future residents.
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3 out of 4 officers are physicians and of the directors, 7 out of 10 are physicians.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
3 out of 4 officers are physicians and of the directors, 7 out of 10 are physicians.
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I mean you'd think the head of the department is the one that is responsible for the making major changes right? Doesn't NRMP function like a usual organization? Or is the chair just a puppet listening to other people on the team? If the other members in the board, don't understand how nerve-wracking and stressful they made this process to be, especially the soap process none of them should be on there whether they are physicians or not.
 
throwaway1000000 said:
I mean you'd think the head of the department is the one that is responsible for the making major changes right? Doesn't NRMP function like a usual organization? Or is the chair just a puppet listening to other people on the team? If the other members in the board, don't understand how nerve-wracking and stressful they made this process to be, especially the soap process none of them should be on there whether they are physicians or not.
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I mean I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I just don’t agree with the concept that everyone on the board has to be a physician. Really they just have to know how to run an organization and be able to take feedback from their customers.
 
curbsideconsult said:
Leadership counts.
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I mean I’ve been in the military for 8 years. I get it that leadership counts. I just seriously doubt that the NRMP is run like a dictatorship and the president is just doing whatever she wants with no input from the 10 physicians working with her.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I mean I’ve been in the military for 8 years. I get it that leadership counts. I just seriously doubt that the NRMP is run like a dictatorship and the president is just doing whatever she wants with no input from the 10 physicians working with her.
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If the person who headed NRMP were someone who has gone through the Match and were running it like a dictatorship, then at least they can speak from some amount of experience.
If the person is a puppet, then all the more reason a physician business leader should be in charge to push back because, again, they would have gone through the Match.

Should a civilian head the department of defense?
 
curbsideconsult said:
If the person who headed NRMP were someone who has gone through the Match and were running it like a dictatorship, then at least they can speak from some amount of experience.
If the person is a puppet, then all the more reason a physician business leader should be in charge to push back because, again, they would have gone through the Match.

Should a civilian head the department of defense?
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You realize a civilian is the commander-in-chief, right?
 
For 500k/yr (that is what her salary is), they can find someone who did not complete an online "doctorate".

Time to petition the NRMP to sack her...
 
Splenda88 said:
For 500k/yr (that is what her salary is), they can find someone who did not complete an online "doctorate".

Time to petition the NRMP to sack her...
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Lol, just watch Netflix or something instead, it’s not a big deal
 
Goro said:
I suggest that you have bigger issues to deal with in this world.
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I am on a light rotation now, so I need to do something to fill up my free time...

Geez! I did not realize that I have been working ~50 hrs/wk, and yet call it a light rotation. This is what residency do to people
 
Splenda88 said:
For 500k/yr (that is what her salary is), they can find someone who did not complete an online "doctorate".

Time to petition the NRMP to sack her...
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Aside from the OP, where are you getting that salary number?
 
Sephirakra said:
I did. It isn't there. You made the claim, so you back it up.
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Sorry...I was echoing another poster from another thread... Look at post #15

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Leadership in our profession.

I recently stumbled across a post on a sub reddit. Credit goes to the owner but I couldn’t help but take a shot. I found out that although some physicians make up the board (non paid) of the NRMP, the paid positions and president are non doctors. The president is a nurse? So yeah, I’m like....wtf.
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cj_cregg said:
The CEO/president of an organization answers to the board of directors. As you mentioned, they are in charge of hiring/firing. The majority-physician board evidently felt this person was qualified for the position, and if it turns out she's not, they have the power to advise her and remove her if they feel it's appropriate.

You also don't have to have been through the process of matching to realize the problems with the process and how if affects individuals. We are all capable of looking objectively about a situation we haven't been through and seeing that it sucks, as well as having compassion for the people going through it. I don't have to have experience as a cancer patient to recognize and learn about the challenges my own cancer patients face, or to understand that it's a crappy situation to be in. I'd also guess that most of the physicians, residents, and med students on the board haven't been through the SOAP process either.

Also worth pointing out that I have yet to see anyone bring up a single substantive issue with her actual ideas/performance. I'd be more than happy to criticize someone on that basis, but everybody's argument for her being unqualified seems to be along the lines of "they took er jerbs!" or speculation about what she probably thinks about the match process.
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This post, and particularly the last paragraph, is the only post that matters.

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The board is ultimately responsible for the direction of an organization and its leadership. The physicians on the board felt that having her as the CEO was the right choice.

What is fascinating about all this , is that physicians are to blame for this as well. Physicians do not work in the administrative side of things because it is generally a pay cut for them. Thats why it is difficult to find physician leaders who would be able to fill these roles. This lady was at this organization for almost two decades. It is fine.

This is another reason why hospital administrators are mostly nurses with online degrees. They get tired fo floor work, and then they transition to admin work for a little more pay ultimately getting up the ranks and then landing in these leadership positions. Most physicians do not have the stomach to take large paycuts for years to build the resume to ultimately land in these positions. There are a handful of physicians who do end up going in this pathway, but ultimately have to pare down clinical practice to a large extent. and even when they do there are not enough of them to fill all these leadership positions.
 
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