Meet your new NRMP president "Doctor" Donna L. Lamb D.H. Sc, M.B.A., B.S.N.

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Sephirakra said:
Your opinion on that matter notwithstanding, your previous analogy doesn't exactly hold water.
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Maybe a better analogy would be a lifetime baptist leading catechism classes. Or Betsy DeVos being head of DOE.
Splenda88 said:
Well, it's a big deal for nurses.

Nurses file petition after dentist named head of National Institute for Nursing Research: A dentist was named interim director of the National Institute of Nursing Research, a choice some nurses say devalues the profession, according to Business Insider.
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VA Hopeful Dr said:
Lots of inconsequential stuff is a big deal for nurses. They're the same group that freaks out at a BP of 160/95.
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So on the one hand nurses with the proper degrees should lead a giant organization that runs a program they have no experience with, but on the other hand we're mocking them for notifying a physician when a BP is "high"?
cj_cregg said:
The CEO/president of an organization answers to the board of directors. As you mentioned, they are in charge of hiring/firing. The majority-physician board evidently felt this person was qualified for the position, and if it turns out she's not, they have the power to advise her and remove her if they feel it's appropriate.

You also don't have to have been through the process of matching to realize the problems with the process and how it affects individuals. We are all capable of thinking objectively about a situation we haven't been through and seeing that it sucks, as well as having compassion for the people going through it. I don't have to have experience as a cancer patient to recognize and learn about the challenges my own cancer patients face, or to understand that it's a crappy situation to be in. I'd also guess that most of the physicians, residents, and med students on the board haven't been through the SOAP process either.

Also worth pointing out that I have yet to see anyone bring up a single substantive issue with her actual ideas/performance. I'd be more than happy to criticize someone on that basis, but everybody's argument for her being unqualified seems to be along the lines of "they took er jerbs!" or speculation about what she probably thinks about the match process.
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I am arguing that the person they hire should be a qualified physician because this determines the fate of physician futures. No, you don't have to ever have had cancer (and hopefully no one here ever will) to empathize with those who have cancer and to feel compassion for them. Everyone can imagine what it's like to get that horrible news because it is a possibility for every human being.

I have not had to go through SOAP, nor have most physicians, and I will never know exactly how my colleagues going through it now feel. BUT, unlike those who have never gone through medical school nor have gone through residency, we are in the unique position to at least be able to understand what it could feel like. In no way am I belittling a cancer survivor's experience or the experience of their families/friends. What I am highlighting is how awful SOAP is and how it feels devastating to those going through it.

Many of us complain the lack of physician leadership in healthcare systems has led to decreased quality of patient care, administrative bloat, higher overhead, overworking of frontline healthcare workers etc. I don't see how wanting a physician to lead the NRMP is any different than wanting a physician to lead a hospital system.

To be clear, I would be just as uncomfortable with a physician leading a nursing board or a school of pharmacy or department of physical therapy or a business school if they do not have the appropriate degree.

I had no interest in NRMP leadership until this year and maybe if this dumpster fire of a year had never occurred I still wouldn't have cared.

Tangent: I do appreciate most everyone being civil while having a debate. I love when this happens. I like to think of myself as someone who isn't argumentative just for the sake of it, but I do like a good discourse. I think it's very important to have these kinds of mature debates whether online or IRL. Please let's keep up civility.
 
curbsideconsult said:
Maybe a better analogy would be a lifetime baptist leading catechism classes. Or Betsy DeVos being head of DOE.


So on the one hand nurses with the proper degrees should lead a giant organization that runs a program they have no experience with, but on the other hand we're mocking them for notifying a physician when a BP is "high"?

I am arguing that the person they hire should be a qualified physician because this determines the fate of physician futures. No, you don't have to ever have had cancer (and hopefully no one here ever will) to empathize with those who have cancer and to feel compassion for them. Everyone can imagine what it's like to get that horrible news because it is a possibility for every human being.

I have not had to go through SOAP, nor have most physicians, and I will never know exactly how my colleagues going through it now feel. BUT, unlike those who have never gone through medical school nor have gone through residency, we are in the unique position to at least be able to understand what it could feel like. In no way am I belittling a cancer survivor's experience or the experience of their families/friends. What I am highlighting is how awful SOAP is and how it feels devastating to those going through it.

Many of us complain the lack of physician leadership in healthcare systems has led to decreased quality of patient care, administrative bloat, higher overhead, overworking of frontline healthcare workers etc. I don't see how wanting a physician to lead the NRMP is any different than wanting a physician to lead a hospital system.

To be clear, I would be just as uncomfortable with a physician leading a nursing board or a school of pharmacy or department of physical therapy or a business school if they do not have the appropriate degree.

I had no interest in NRMP leadership until this year and maybe if this dumpster fire of a year had never occurred I still wouldn't have cared.

Tangent: I do appreciate most everyone being civil while having a debate. I love when this happens. I like to think of myself as someone who isn't argumentative just for the sake of it, but I do like a good discourse. I think it's very important to have these kinds of mature debates whether online or IRL. Please let's keep up civility.
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You mean like an MBA? Like this person has?
 
curbsideconsult said:
Plus an MD, DO, or MBBS.
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I'm going to steal a quote from the other thread about this:

The people in charge of the NRMP should be statisticians or economists. Maybe some kind of computer scientist.

Medical training has **** all to do with ensuring an appropriately run matching algorithm.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
I'm going to steal a quote from the other thread about this:

The people in charge of the NRMP should be statisticians or economists. Maybe some kind of computer scientist.

Medical training has **** all to do with ensuring an appropriately run matching algorithm.
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I'm arguing for a physician to lead to make policy changes such as reviewing when match week happens and the timeline for SOAP, not necessarily to make changes to the algorithm (though that would be welcome too).
 
curbsideconsult said:
I'm arguing for a physician to lead to make policy changes such as reviewing when match week happens and the timeline for SOAP, not necessarily to make changes to the algorithm (though that would be welcome too).
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And a physician is well suited to that how?

And a physician is better suited to that than anyone else how?

And no, having gone through the Match isn't a qualifier.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
And a physician is well suited to that how?

And a physician is better suited to that than anyone else how?

And no, having gone through the Match isn't a qualifier.
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No, being a physician alone does not make that person better suited to lead the NRMP or any other physician org. But a physician business leader does.

Having gone through match isn't the only qualifier, but not having gone through match or experiencing even the possibility of it should be a disqualifier.
 
curbsideconsult said:
No, being a physician alone does not make that person better suited to lead the NRMP or any other physician org. But a physician business leader does.

Having gone through match isn't the only qualifier, but not having gone through match or experiencing even the possibility of it should be a disqualifier.
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Such an odd place to dig your heels in.
 
Smizz said:
"Dr. Lamb" got her doctorate of health sciences online from AT Still University and makes around 500k.

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She hustled and made the right connections to get where she's at despite having an online Masters AND DHSc degree. An administrative nurse in charge of the Match and making the big bucks. I respect her game!
 
cj_cregg said:
She's not an NP. She has a BSN, MBA (a business degree certainly seems appropriate for a CEO), and a doctorate in health sciences, which per Wikipedia is "a post-professional academic degree for those who intend to pursue or advance a professional practice career in Health Arts and Sciences, and Health Care Delivery Systems, to include clinical practice, education, administration, and research...This degree leads to a career in high-level administration, teaching, applied research, or practice, where advanced analytical and conceptual capabilities are required." Sounds appropriate for overseeing a system such as the NRMP. She's been involved with both the ACGME and NRMP in various roles for years.

Again, if you have a specific concern with regards to her ideas, plans, etc. related to the match, I'm more than happy to pile on for something like that. What is your concern with any of the policies she has proposed?
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Prepare to wait for a long time if you’re looking for anything other than “she’s a nurse” and the like.
 
cj_cregg said:
She's not an NP. She has a BSN, MBA (a business degree certainly seems appropriate for a CEO), and a doctorate in health sciences, which per Wikipedia is "a post-professional academic degree for those who intend to pursue or advance a professional practice career in Health Arts and Sciences, and Health Care Delivery Systems, to include clinical practice, education, administration, and research...This degree leads to a career in high-level administration, teaching, applied research, or practice, where advanced analytical and conceptual capabilities are required." Sounds appropriate for overseeing a system such as the NRMP. She's been involved with both the ACGME and NRMP in various roles for years.

Again, if you have a specific concern with regards to her ideas, plans, etc. related to the match, I'm more than happy to pile on for something like that. What is your concern with any of the policies she has proposed?
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That is kind of a nothing online degree....
 
Eh, I don't think it's totally unreasonable to want the head of the NRMP to be a physician. This is the organization that we are all paying to oversee the process that decides the future of all physicians in this country. From what I can tell there's nothing to suggest that she isn't competent at her job but this is just an image/respect thing to me. Going through the process myself the whole year and knowing people who didn't match, I'd like the person at the very top to at least have an idea of what it's like to do this themselves.
 
So I was curious where the $500K figure was coming up from previous posts above and thought I'd dig deeper for everyones edification and curiosity.
In 2018, the publicly available filed Form 990 states the previous CEO had a salary of: $467,075

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Reference (pg 16/48): NATIONAL RESIDENT MATCHING PROGRAM - Form Form 990 for period ending Dec 2018 - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica
 
JustOnePing said:
So I was curious where the $500K figure was coming up from previous posts above and thought I'd dig deeper for everyones edification and curiosity.
In 2018, the publicly available filed Form 990 states the previous CEO had a salary of: $467,075

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Reference (pg 16/48): NATIONAL RESIDENT MATCHING PROGRAM - Form Form 990 for period ending Dec 2018 - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica
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Finally, some data. Of course, this is for the previous president. The salary for Dr. Lamb could be higher, lower, or the same.
 
Sephirakra said:
Finally, some data. Of course, this is for the previous president. The salary for Dr. Lamb could be higher, lower, or the same.
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Previous president/CEO, Mona Signer reached $515290 in pay for 2019 right before retiring, after 18 years in the position.

New president/CEO noctor, Donna Lamb, received $162568 in pay for 2019, but she took on the president role in Oct 21, 2019. She was an 'executive director' at ACGME up until Sep 2019. So if extrapolated from that alone, it looks like she got paid $162K for just 2 months and 10 days of work and thus could be paid $833000 for a full year in the role.

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