'Merger' and ABMS board certification

[NurWollen]

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I think those of us who will be entering residency during the ACGME accreditation transition period might find this interesting:

http://osteopathic.org/inside-aoa/s...ystem/Documents/board-certification-chart.pdf

Basically it's a chart that breaks down by specialty what portion of your residency will have to be completed under ACGME accreditation in order for you to be eligible for ABMS board certification. It ranges from 'the entire time' to 'needs to be ACGME accredited by the time you finish.'

 

[ortnakas]

What does this mean for the Class of 2018? Right now I'm trying to scope out (IM) residencies that have at least applied for ACGME recognition-- by the time our class gets to residency applications, are they going to know if they're approved or not?

(Yes, I'm planning on looking at currently-ACGME residencies too, but had hoped to be able to apply to some currently-AOA options as well).

 

[GUH]

Dies this mean that an applicant going into an AOA-approved neurology residency in 2017, for example, will not be board eligible even if the program gets ACGME accreditation in 2018?

 

[hallowmann]

What does this mean for the Class of 2018? Right now I'm trying to scope out (IM) residencies that have at least applied for ACGME recognition-- by the time our class gets to residency applications, are they going to know if they're approved or not?

(Yes, I'm planning on looking at currently-ACGME residencies too, but had hoped to be able to apply to some currently-AOA options as well).

Its really uncertain, but assuming they applied and fulfill the requirements, they should attain initial accreditation within the year. You could limit your apps to programs that have at least already applied by June of 2017, but again, this is really going to be program specific and some may not receive initial accreditation after the first site visit.

Dies this mean that an applicant going into an AOA-approved neurology residency in 2017, for example, will not be board eligible even if the program gets ACGME accreditation in 2018?

Neurology residency includes a general intern year followed by PGY2-PGY4 of Neurology. If you match in 2017, you would start the Neurology portion in 2018. If its ACGME accredited before the start of your Neurology years (July 2018), than you should be eligible for the MD boards. If not, based on these current requirements, you would not be eligible. You would, however, be eligible for the AOA boards.

Now again, this is assuming no adjustments or accommodations would be made for residents in the midst of the transition. I would recommend assuming that no adjustments or accommodations would be made in terms of planning, and then just be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.

 

[GUH]

Its really uncertain, but assuming they applied and fulfill the requirements, they should attain initial accreditation within the year. You could limit your apps to programs that have at least already applied by June of 2017, but again, this is really going to be program specific and some may not receive initial accreditation after the first site visit.



Neurology residency includes a general intern year followed by PGY2-PGY4 of Neurology. If you match in 2017, you would start the Neurology portion in 2018. If its ACGME accredited before the start of your Neurology years (July 2018), than you should be eligible for the MD boards. If not, based on these current requirements, you would not be eligible. You would, however, be eligible for the AOA boards.

Now again, this is assuming no adjustments or accommodations would be made for residents in the midst of the transition. I would recommend assuming that no adjustments or accommodations would be made in terms of planning, and then just be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.

Would you be eligible to sit for AOA boards if the program is not AOA accredited when you graduate though? I thought that programs could not be AOA accredited starting in 2020.

 

[hallowmann]

Would you be eligible to sit for AOA boards if the program is not AOA accredited when you graduate though? I thought that programs could not be AOA accredited starting in 2020.

AOA boards accepts training from both AOA and ACGME programs, so if you graduate from a program that has ACGME and had AOA accreditation prior to that, I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to be AOA boarded. In the same document it lists the AOA board training requirement, which all say "Completed and approved AOA or ACGME training."

 

[GUH]

AOA boards accepts training from both AOA and ACGME programs, so if you graduate from a program that has ACGME and had AOA accreditation prior to that, I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to be AOA boarded. In the same document it lists the AOA board training requirement, which all say "Completed and approved AOA or ACGME training."

Ah good point thanks

 

[NurWollen]

Would you be eligible to sit for AOA boards if the program is not AOA accredited when you graduate though? I thought that programs could not be AOA accredited starting in 2020.

I was going to ask the exact same thing.

AOA boards accepts training from both AOA and ACGME programs, so if you graduate from a program that has ACGME and had AOA accreditation prior to that, I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to be AOA boarded. In the same document it lists the AOA board training requirement, which all say "Completed and approved AOA or ACGME training."

Hallowman answered it perfectly, as usual.

It sucks that some fields are going to be so stringent. For IM the program just has to have initial accreditation by the time you finish. It looks like for peds, you're ineligible even if your program gets initial accreditation one month in to your residency.

FM wants the last two years to be under ACGME accreditation. I suppose that's reasonable.