Miami and Yale

[Chamber86]

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I'm trying to decide between these two programs. I was looking for some insight from other people who may have interviewed there.

Yale seems kind of obvious. It had an impressive chair, strong name recognition, and is in new haven..

Miami struck me as an up and coming place, with a star chair coming out of duke. Seems to be moving in the right direction, but i'm worried i am more into the location than the actual program.

Anyone else think on these two?

 

[DrMunkey]

I'm trying to decide between these two programs. I was looking for some insight from other people who may have interviewed there.

Yale seems kind of obvious. It had an impressive chair, strong name recognition, and is in new haven..

Miami struck me as an up and coming place, with a star chair coming out of duke. Seems to be moving in the right direction, but i'm worried i am more into the location than the actual program.

Anyone else think on these two?

If you think you'll get a solid education at both places, looking at location is a great idea. Residency is not a great life, regardless of what misconceptions are out there of Anesthesia as a lifestyle specialty (FYI for any oblivious readers: IT'S NOT). Life is gonna suck on the order of a little to a lot for a few years, you have to at least like where you're gonna live and who you're going to be working with. I always tell applicants when we take them to dinner to not put too little weight on those factors because they're HUGE. As long as the program feels solid experience/education-wise, I urge you to further explore those other avenues.

 

[flyingdutchman]

I'm trying to decide between these two programs. I was looking for some insight from other people who may have interviewed there.

Yale seems kind of obvious. It had an impressive chair, strong name recognition, and is in new haven..

Miami struck me as an up and coming place, with a star chair coming out of duke. Seems to be moving in the right direction, but i'm worried i am more into the location than the actual program.

Anyone else think on these two?

I don't know much about Yale's program, but I can vouch for Miami. The program has a lot of great faculty who are incredible teachers. You'll also get the benefits of working at a very busy trauma center, transplant center and tertiary care center overall. There are a lot of indigent patients from other countries and around Florida, which makes the population base very diverse.

As far as living in Miami, this is the worst time of year to decide...because the weather in Miami is awesome compared to everywhere else! I can honestly say that as a resident you will not have a hard time finding something to do you when you're not working...at any time of day/night. Whether that is nightlife, fishing, boating, beach, etc year round. If you're looking for a nice quiet place to raise your family, this might not be the place however. Finally, Dr. Lubarsky (the chair whom you speak of) is a good leader who is great to work with. Good luck with your decision.

 

[lilowangatang]

I was actually shocked I didn't like Miami all that much. I went there with the mind set that I was going to fall in love with the city. But after a weekend there, I felt it would have been an awesome vacay city, but not a super place to live unless you grew up in that kind of culture. And the institution disappointed me. Maybe it was because our group didn't meet the chair or whatever, but the residents all looked tired and just weren't as enthusiastic as some of the other residents I'd met at other places. It was the one place I walked out of not being able to remember their strong points.

Don't know about Yale.

 

[dbiddy808]

I had the same dilemna when I was applying. My top two choices were Yale and Miami as well!!! When I interviewed (back in 2004), I interviewed all over the northeast during one of the coldest Januarys ever. My last interview was in Miami. I flew down to Miami, drove straight to my hotel in Miami Beach, dropped off my bags and went for a swim in the ocean. I had made up my mind before I even interviewed. I am not sure what being a resident at Yale would have been like, but I am confident that the training I got at UM was as good as anywhere in the country. Any and all types of cases. And living in Miami was a lot of fun........

 

[Midazmenot]

I had a great interview day experience at Miami. I thought the residents seemed happy, and many of them showed up to the interview/dinner. It seems like a great program, couldn't detect any "deal-breakers" on interview day. If anyone knows otherwise, would love to hear it! Or what other impressions were on interview day.

 

[anes123]

Miami's initial presentation is all smoke and mirrors. The faculty are not concerned with your education as much as how well you score on your yearly inservice. The chairman is very demanding so many attendings are afraid of making mistakes so they take it out on the residents. The training you will get there is good, and you will be busy and see EVERYTHING. However you will be miserable, and surrounded my miserable people while you are there.

 

[narcusprince]

Miami's initial presentation is all smoke and mirrors. The faculty are not concerned with your education as much as how well you score on your yearly inservice. The chairman is very demanding so many attendings are afraid of making mistakes so they take it out on the residents. The training you will get there is good, and you will be busy and see EVERYTHING. However you will be miserable, and surrounded my miserable people while you are there.

From your bashing of the program on SDN sounds like you will rank Miami number 1 on your rank list. Their is a cardiac fellow at my program from Miami. He said that the program was tough but far from malignant. He really enjoyed his time there and would choose it again.

 

[anes123]

Thank God I am well past the match. I am happy that someone had a good experience there. I am merely relaying the information that I have been told. The applicants should be well informed consumers and see both sides of each coin, and ask many questions.

From your bashing of the program on SDN sounds like you will rank Miami number 1 on your rank list. Their is a cardiac fellow at my program from Miami. He said that the program was tough but far from malignant. He really enjoyed his time there and would choose it again.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Thank God I am well past the match. I am happy that someone had a good experience there. I am merely relaying the information that I have been told. The applicants should be well informed consumers and see both sides of each coin, and ask many questions.

A) Why should current med students take second-hand information over that of residents/attendings who have actually been there?

2) Do you not trust people to make informed decisions for themselves?

The possibilities are that you think that people can't acquire first-hand information for themselves and you are magnanimously trying to help people you've never met, to the point of creating a profile just for that purpose...or you're trying to spread rumors about a program you want to match at in the hopes of increasing your own chances.

 

[anes123]

Im not here to get into a pissing contest with you. Im just letting you know what the deal is down there. End of story.

A) Why should current med students take second-hand information over that of residents/attendings who have actually been there?

2) Do you not trust people to make informed decisions for themselves?

The possibilities are that you think that people can't acquire first-hand information for themselves and you are magnanimously trying to help people you've never met, to the point of creating a profile just for that purpose...or you're trying to spread rumors about a program you want to match at in the hopes of increasing your own chances.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Im not here to get into a pissing contest with you. Im just letting you know what the deal is down there. End of story.

Were you a resident there?

 

[Gimlet]

This type of poster tends to crop up this time of year. There'll be another batch of them when match lists are due. It's comically transparent.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Im not here to get into a pissing contest with you. Im just letting you know what the deal is down there. End of story.

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you either. I'm just letting you know what the deal is around here. End of story.

 

[doctor712]

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you either. I'm just letting you know what the deal is around here. End of story.

👍 Hilarious.

As someone who knows a bunch of the residents, and works and spends time with them too, Anes123's comments make little sense. I work with about a dozen (on a daily basis) of the Attendings as well, and could not imagine a more amazing (and supportive) place to train! Seriously.

D712

 

[W222]

Yale from someone who knows:
- New Haven isn't a bad place. Close to NYC, Providence, and Boston. Easy access to the beach in the summer and the mountains in the winter. Good food and bars. Rent/housing is a little higher than most but that is due to CT having a higher market than most places in general.
- The department chair and program director are both GREAT. If you want people running the show who have the best interest of the residents at heart this department has it; especially when looking for jobs/fellowships. Areas that were weak in in the past are being totally revamped and improved.
- The hospital itself has alot of internal BS that no one likes, but this stuff happens everywhere (ie surgeons being difficult, system issues, some absolutely *****ic clinical decisions on the behalf of administration/other departments).


Miami: The only thing I have heard recently about Miami is about the entire U of M system and their hospitals. Apparently when the economy was rolling, the U of M system expanded and started building/revamping facilities; but now with the economy in shambles and the majority of the clients being un-insured/gov insured the facility has lost a ton of money.

 

[Jack is Back]

This type of poster tends to crop up this time of year. There'll be another batch of them when match lists are due. It's comically transparent.

Yeah, I had the same concerns and feelings when choosing a school.

You really don't realize until you are at school, that where you attend has little influence on your career for probably 90%+ of medical students. I'm assuming that we are comparing relative good Allopathic schools to each other, say top 40 US News or so.

 

[badasshairday]

Are you at a disadvantage in SoFlo programs if you do not speak spanish?

 

[flyingdutchman]

If you speak Spanish it definitely helps, because it just facilitates your patient care and makes things easy. You also have a better relationship with your patients if you can speak directly with them as opposed to through a translator. That being said, probably 80% of the people that work at the hospitals around Miami are bilingual, so it's never a chore to find some translation help and a ton of residents/attendings know no Spanish and do just fine!

Are you at a disadvantage in SoFlo programs if you do not speak spanish?