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Minnesota Foreign Dentist Licensure
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hi i am planning to apply shortly and i plan to give them a letter from my employer stating that i was employed for such and such a period.as u said i can't produce any other form of patient billings or anything.plz let me know if u r application was accepted or not, so that i can proceed further.also i have graduated 2.5 yrs back and practised only for a year,so will they consider my intership as active dental practise.plase let me know if you have any info.
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I live in Minnesotta and even though the new law asked them to give us a chance...they make sure of it being a tough chance..
It is hard to explain to them that not all the world are using the American system for their dailly work record...where I worked it was a private hospital that had a Dental Clinic..Some week I work the morning shift the other week the evening shift...it is not like the patient is coming to see you personally ...so the Patient chart has the hospital name and Initials of each dentist thats treated that patient...
When I ask in general about what else I can bring to prove my working history..the lady repeated the same things (tax, Patient chart...etc)...even though I mentioned it over and over and over again...there is no tax..no patient chart under my name..just Like you are screaming to a wall.
When they sent me the application form, there was two eligibility based status... first asking for work history...the second asking for AEGD ..with it you don't need to provide work history...so I am going to do that..Hopefully..
Sometimes I wish if I had studied Medicine or Pharmacy..
It is hard to explain to them that not all the world are using the American system for their dailly work record...where I worked it was a private hospital that had a Dental Clinic..Some week I work the morning shift the other week the evening shift...it is not like the patient is coming to see you personally ...so the Patient chart has the hospital name and Initials of each dentist thats treated that patient...
When I ask in general about what else I can bring to prove my working history..the lady repeated the same things (tax, Patient chart...etc)...even though I mentioned it over and over and over again...there is no tax..no patient chart under my name..just Like you are screaming to a wall.
When they sent me the application form, there was two eligibility based status... first asking for work history...the second asking for AEGD ..with it you don't need to provide work history...so I am going to do that..Hopefully..
Sometimes I wish if I had studied Medicine or Pharmacy..
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Hello HIM0098,
Thanks for your contribuition.
"When they sent me the application form, there was two eligibility based status... first asking for work history...the second asking for AEGD ..with it you don't need to provide work history...so I am going to do that..Hopefully.."
Did you actually apply and this was their response? Or they just told you this before applying?
Since you live in MN, do you know someelse who has gone trough this process? succeded? actually got a license?
What is that you're going to do? AEGD?
Because I'm still stuck in the same spot as before. They won't accept any other form of work history, other that the American way. I have sent nothing yet.
Thanks for your contribuition.
"When they sent me the application form, there was two eligibility based status... first asking for work history...the second asking for AEGD ..with it you don't need to provide work history...so I am going to do that..Hopefully.."
Did you actually apply and this was their response? Or they just told you this before applying?
Since you live in MN, do you know someelse who has gone trough this process? succeded? actually got a license?
What is that you're going to do? AEGD?
Because I'm still stuck in the same spot as before. They won't accept any other form of work history, other that the American way. I have sent nothing yet.
hi him0098
i know couple of them who have actually got the license but this rule didn't apply to them when they applied for the exam and also they have their MDS degrees in prostho. i got a tax statement from india saying that i have paid all my taxes due will that be enough? also i am getting a letter from my employer saying that i was working in that clinic, i can do no more than that.have u already applied or u still planning to apply? also when i talked to the board saying that the things don't work that way in india she finally asked me to apply as she was not sure and the committe would decide if thats appropriate or not.
i know couple of them who have actually got the license but this rule didn't apply to them when they applied for the exam and also they have their MDS degrees in prostho. i got a tax statement from india saying that i have paid all my taxes due will that be enough? also i am getting a letter from my employer saying that i was working in that clinic, i can do no more than that.have u already applied or u still planning to apply? also when i talked to the board saying that the things don't work that way in india she finally asked me to apply as she was not sure and the committe would decide if thats appropriate or not.
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AEGD= Advanced Education in General Dentistry
"i know couple of them who have actually got the license but this rule didn't apply to them when they applied for the exam and also they have their MDS degrees in prostho."
Hi oletyrags,
I don't understand you very well. Did they got their licenses based on Minessota new law allowing foreign trained dentists? or how was it that they got it?
"i know couple of them who have actually got the license but this rule didn't apply to them when they applied for the exam and also they have their MDS degrees in prostho."
Hi oletyrags,
I don't understand you very well. Did they got their licenses based on Minessota new law allowing foreign trained dentists? or how was it that they got it?
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I thank both of you for responding...
When I contact the Minnesota Board , I called more than once..
spoken with more than one person, just to make sure they all have the same knowledge of the regulations and the requirment ..
They all agree on one thing "All Depends in how the Commitee will consider your application.".
I wish if UAE is like India Oletyrags, but it is not...I will try to ask my employer for a statment saying that there is no Tax required for any person work in this country , their salary paid in full to them and etc... and another statment about my work history.
And hopefully the commitee will understand...
But once I get the statement i will send the application...
And regarding u friend with MDS..Well their application is taken without a hassel as long as they have done the MDS here or any where else in Canada .. But I love being a General Dentist...I dont like just doing one thing for the rest of my career life...that is why I am considering the AEGD ...but if I found A bank that will Loan me ...
Good luck for you Oletyrags and Megg
When I contact the Minnesota Board , I called more than once..
spoken with more than one person, just to make sure they all have the same knowledge of the regulations and the requirment ..
They all agree on one thing "All Depends in how the Commitee will consider your application.".
I wish if UAE is like India Oletyrags, but it is not...I will try to ask my employer for a statment saying that there is no Tax required for any person work in this country , their salary paid in full to them and etc... and another statment about my work history.
And hopefully the commitee will understand...
But once I get the statement i will send the application...
And regarding u friend with MDS..Well their application is taken without a hassel as long as they have done the MDS here or any where else in Canada .. But I love being a General Dentist...I dont like just doing one thing for the rest of my career life...that is why I am considering the AEGD ...but if I found A bank that will Loan me
...Good luck for you Oletyrags and Megg
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thanks him0098 and oletyrags.
"...that is why I am considering the AEGD ...but if I found A bank that will Loan me..."
Where are you considering your AEGD? In Univeristy of Minnesota? I'm not sure, but somewhere I read that this school will only accept US trained dentist for post-graduate courses. Is this true?
Why can't you get a loan for studies?
"...that is why I am considering the AEGD ...but if I found A bank that will Loan me..."
Where are you considering your AEGD? In Univeristy of Minnesota? I'm not sure, but somewhere I read that this school will only accept US trained dentist for post-graduate courses. Is this true?
Why can't you get a loan for studies?
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My prediction?
Minnesota will be worse than California or NYC in dentist saturation by the time I graduate. Apparently, the ADA never learned its lesson from the technology workers who are out on the street because we imported their replacements from India.
I had better start packing my bags now.
Minnesota will be worse than California or NYC in dentist saturation by the time I graduate. Apparently, the ADA never learned its lesson from the technology workers who are out on the street because we imported their replacements from India.
I had better start packing my bags now.
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Search engines are a great tool, people!
When I asked the MN board about completion of the infection control course requirement, they offered me the option to complete it trough the mail (regular post office mail) or take an online course. After some search on the net, I found these places, which offer online infection control courses:
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/ce/cerp/provider.asp
http://www.dentrek.com/
http://www.dentalsite.com/dentists/dce.html
https://www.dentalxchange.com/ce/ce.jsp
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/continuing-education/dentists-cde.htm
http://www.homesteadschools.com/Dental/
http://www.arcmesa.com/index.jhtml
Before hand you need to get approval from the office, stating that the course you've selected is ok with them.
BTW, FMLizard will you explain better your view, please? Thanks, some of us need a light here.
When I asked the MN board about completion of the infection control course requirement, they offered me the option to complete it trough the mail (regular post office mail) or take an online course. After some search on the net, I found these places, which offer online infection control courses:
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/ce/cerp/provider.asp
http://www.dentrek.com/
http://www.dentalsite.com/dentists/dce.html
https://www.dentalxchange.com/ce/ce.jsp
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/continuing-education/dentists-cde.htm
http://www.homesteadschools.com/Dental/
http://www.arcmesa.com/index.jhtml
Before hand you need to get approval from the office, stating that the course you've selected is ok with them.
BTW, FMLizard will you explain better your view, please? Thanks, some of us need a light here.
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My view is this:
If Minnesota opens its doors to the entire world to practice here, there will be a lot of takers. Listen to how many of you are talking about it already. Why Minnesota? Simply because it is the only state that will let you. It would only take a relatively small number of dentists to tip the balance in this or any other state into a serious economic downturn for established practitioners and US dental graduates. With all of them flooding into one, small to mid-sized state, you will see a huge chunk being taken out of American incomes. Minnesota already has its own dental school and no shortage of dentists. The state has good oral health care statistics that are some of the nation's best.
A little bit about another problem that mirrors this. I am a recent graduate of a top-5 program in Management Information Systems, which deals with the management of information technology resources and how they impact businesses. Four years ago, this was the most marketable major with the highest placement rate and starting salaries of any possible degree at this school. Companies fought over graduates with bidding wars and signing bonuses. There were 3-4 offers for each graduate. The same was seen in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, and other technical disciplines.
Fast forward four years, to the present. I graduated in four years with a degree in MIS, with a 3.5 GPA and a 3.95 in my major. This placed me at the top of my class. Based on this, I should be the most marketable person at the entire university, right? Wrong. I received no offers and only one interview in five months. They ended up eliminating the one position I did interview for in a cost cutting move. Most of my classmates found nothing either. They are scrambling and competing madly for internships after graduation, and most are like me, sitting at home playing video games all day with little hope for a job. I have a highly regarded degree, a high GPA, difficult to learn skills, many leadership experiences, strong communications skills, health, decent looks, and a gosh darn IQ of 150 to boot. I want to work desperately but can contribute nothing to any organization. I have no health insurance, no money coming in, and student loans out the rear end. If nothing turns up in a few months, I am very seriously looking at homelessness.
The unemployment rate for tech people in America has skyrocketed to almost triple the highest recorded amount in HISTORY. Most will never work in their field again. New graduates face the hopeless struggle to find work with little or no non-academic experience in a climate that is not hiring and is laying people off as fast as possible. While this is happening, foreign workers are coming over in record and unprecedented numbers on H-1B and L-1 visas. Companies claim a labor shortage to the government so that they can bring in foreigners at lower wages and who cannot leave the company under penalty of deportation. They are virtual indentured servants. Even worse, many companies are sending programming and other white collar work over to India to be performed offshore. Due to cost of living discrepancies, they can save a tremendous amount of money. Over three million jobs have already been lost to visas and offshoring, and it has been estimated that another 4-5 million white collar jobs will be lost by the end of the decade. This doesn't even count the millions of manufacturing jobs that have been sent out. Politicians won't do anything to stop it because companies lobby for increased numbers of foreigners so that they can phase out all American citizens.
For example, I was talking to my friend's mother the other day who works at a major local employer, 3M, in accounting. She fears for her job every day because it is clear what the company's plan is. She says that they have not brought in a US citizen to work in her department in the past 3 years. Many get laid off and are replaced almost immediately with Indians and Chinese on H-1B visas. One of the company's foremost priorities is offshoring, and they have ceased all hiring at my school. They used to hire over 50 new grads per year here.
You can see why this upsets me.
If Minnesota opens its doors to the entire world to practice here, there will be a lot of takers. Listen to how many of you are talking about it already. Why Minnesota? Simply because it is the only state that will let you. It would only take a relatively small number of dentists to tip the balance in this or any other state into a serious economic downturn for established practitioners and US dental graduates. With all of them flooding into one, small to mid-sized state, you will see a huge chunk being taken out of American incomes. Minnesota already has its own dental school and no shortage of dentists. The state has good oral health care statistics that are some of the nation's best.
A little bit about another problem that mirrors this. I am a recent graduate of a top-5 program in Management Information Systems, which deals with the management of information technology resources and how they impact businesses. Four years ago, this was the most marketable major with the highest placement rate and starting salaries of any possible degree at this school. Companies fought over graduates with bidding wars and signing bonuses. There were 3-4 offers for each graduate. The same was seen in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, and other technical disciplines.
Fast forward four years, to the present. I graduated in four years with a degree in MIS, with a 3.5 GPA and a 3.95 in my major. This placed me at the top of my class. Based on this, I should be the most marketable person at the entire university, right? Wrong. I received no offers and only one interview in five months. They ended up eliminating the one position I did interview for in a cost cutting move. Most of my classmates found nothing either. They are scrambling and competing madly for internships after graduation, and most are like me, sitting at home playing video games all day with little hope for a job. I have a highly regarded degree, a high GPA, difficult to learn skills, many leadership experiences, strong communications skills, health, decent looks, and a gosh darn IQ of 150 to boot. I want to work desperately but can contribute nothing to any organization. I have no health insurance, no money coming in, and student loans out the rear end. If nothing turns up in a few months, I am very seriously looking at homelessness.
The unemployment rate for tech people in America has skyrocketed to almost triple the highest recorded amount in HISTORY. Most will never work in their field again. New graduates face the hopeless struggle to find work with little or no non-academic experience in a climate that is not hiring and is laying people off as fast as possible. While this is happening, foreign workers are coming over in record and unprecedented numbers on H-1B and L-1 visas. Companies claim a labor shortage to the government so that they can bring in foreigners at lower wages and who cannot leave the company under penalty of deportation. They are virtual indentured servants. Even worse, many companies are sending programming and other white collar work over to India to be performed offshore. Due to cost of living discrepancies, they can save a tremendous amount of money. Over three million jobs have already been lost to visas and offshoring, and it has been estimated that another 4-5 million white collar jobs will be lost by the end of the decade. This doesn't even count the millions of manufacturing jobs that have been sent out. Politicians won't do anything to stop it because companies lobby for increased numbers of foreigners so that they can phase out all American citizens.
For example, I was talking to my friend's mother the other day who works at a major local employer, 3M, in accounting. She fears for her job every day because it is clear what the company's plan is. She says that they have not brought in a US citizen to work in her department in the past 3 years. Many get laid off and are replaced almost immediately with Indians and Chinese on H-1B visas. One of the company's foremost priorities is offshoring, and they have ceased all hiring at my school. They used to hire over 50 new grads per year here.
You can see why this upsets me.
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oletyrags, not a lot of research, just the right search.
FMLizard, I totally understand your point now, you have your absolute right to be upset.
I thought you were a dentist. How come you're in this forum?
Hopefully, companies won't be able to send away patients or their teeth to receive dental care, and then send it back to the US.
Thanks for clearing my mind and good luck
FMLizard, I totally understand your point now, you have your absolute right to be upset.
I thought you were a dentist. How come you're in this forum?
Hopefully, companies won't be able to send away patients or their teeth to receive dental care, and then send it back to the US.
Thanks for clearing my mind and good luck
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Therein lies part of the appeal of dentistry. It can't be sent out, and is regulated. You can't just pick up a certificate at the local tech school and flood into the marketplace.
I don't hate foreigners, but I do get apprehensive when I hear things like this. I don't want to see our country with a vast surplus of dentists, and I don't want to see other countries losing their best practitioners to the U.S. and suffering from declining oral health standards either.
I am a pre-dental student. I just kinda hang around all three dental forums to get a good feel for the profession before I make the leap into dental school and beyond.
I don't hate foreigners, but I do get apprehensive when I hear things like this. I don't want to see our country with a vast surplus of dentists, and I don't want to see other countries losing their best practitioners to the U.S. and suffering from declining oral health standards either.
I am a pre-dental student. I just kinda hang around all three dental forums to get a good feel for the profession before I make the leap into dental school and beyond.
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FMLizard
So you are afraid of competition. Competition is the very nature of ?Open Economy?.
US multinational companies can?t go to other countries, capture foreign market and at the same time RESTRICT their own country to safeguard local jobs.
Sanjiv
So you are afraid of competition. Competition is the very nature of ?Open Economy?.
US multinational companies can?t go to other countries, capture foreign market and at the same time RESTRICT their own country to safeguard local jobs.
Sanjiv
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Meggs..for the AEGD you are right most of the dental Univsesity asking for a graduate of their own country...A friend of mine mentioned Hravard University ..in which they dont even ask for NBDE 1 or 2 .. and they accept foreign trained ..as long as you can afford it..
And you can guess how much expensive it is... I am going to send them a letter of inquery..and let us see what they are going to say..
And regarding FMLIZARD Point..it is understandable...but since minnesota is basicaly a farm state so you can imagine how wide it is, and recently have the highest rates of immigrants of afircan and asian origin, who dont speak english ...wouldnt be nice to have doctors and dentist who can speak their language and speed the process of treatment...
The only reason why a state open its door to outsider is when they are in desperate need of help..I guess..that is why California are closing it doors" too much help there"
And you can guess how much expensive it is... I am going to send them a letter of inquery..and let us see what they are going to say..
And regarding FMLIZARD Point..it is understandable...but since minnesota is basicaly a farm state so you can imagine how wide it is, and recently have the highest rates of immigrants of afircan and asian origin, who dont speak english ...wouldnt be nice to have doctors and dentist who can speak their language and speed the process of treatment...
The only reason why a state open its door to outsider is when they are in desperate need of help..I guess..that is why California are closing it doors" too much help there
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