Miss USA contestants. Evolution taught in schools?

[soccerbabe7582]

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[Whatyousay]

I'm sorry, I didn't hear a word they were saying...

But in all seriousness, I feel like I probably lost half of my IQ points after watching that clip for 10 seconds.

 

[transfec]

1:56 and on..... all gorgeous and appear to have noggins up there.

 

[flatearth22]

Honestly, I feel that most of them were just trying to say the "politically correct" answer (yes teach evolution but teach other [non]theories as well).
I have far more respect for the girls that unequivocally said "no" or "yes" than those that beat around the bush and said that both theories should be taught even though they don't think it should.

Ms. Vermont FTW by the way....the only one who said something that was close to the "right" answer.

 

[transfec]

"We're smarter than ever these days..."

lol

 

[911 Turbo]

1:56 and on..... all gorgeous and appear to have noggins up there.

👍

 

[eli20]

They put all the people who are for at the end of the video. Not that their pro statement really amounts to much of a defense because it's still pageanty fluff.

 

[QuesoAndFromage]

at least it got better towards the end

 

[crossscreen]

"If it is available, it could be available as an elective, I think"

Why do they even ask them questions?
I would more inclined to watch if they just played music in the background during pageants.

 

[soccerbabe7582]

Honestly, I feel that most of them were just trying to say the "politically correct" answer (yes teach evolution but teach other [non]theories as well).
I have far more respect for the girls that unequivocally said "no" or "yes" than those that beat around the bush and said that both theories should be taught even though they don't think it should.

Ms. Vermont FTW by the way....the only one who said something that was close to the "right" answer.

Yeah totally agree! I think my "favorite" was the one that was like ...

"uummm I mean. Wow. What do I say? I mean, I just think that is something that the government should decide."

BI0CH PLEASE!

 

[Cinclus]

Go Northeasterners!

 

[Kaustikos]

Go Northeasterners!

lol. Seriously. Did no one else notice that?

 

[PressPforPi]

The girls from the Northeast (and also New Mexico) have my vote.👍

 

[flatearth22]

lol. Seriously. Did no one else notice that?

Godless Heathens!

 

[locus000]

the southern states and some central states disappointed me once again 🙁 but I am not surprise since I live in FL

girl from Cali likes the Big Bang?? 😀

 

[nardini46]

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IMHO I hope that all future physicians should have an understanding of evolution. Doesn't matter if they believe it but they should at least know how it pertains to biological systems and realizing how it impacts human physiology.

 

[Darwinism]

awe well, You can't be smart and pretty

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

How do you go through school and or college without learning about evolution? I thought that was like the first thing you learn in biology, it's in the first chapter.

 

[Tapepsi]

Miss CA is smokin' and she won. 😀

 

[gettheleadout]

Unfortunately for uneducated people, evolution doesn't care if you believe in it or not.

I was pretty surprised when I found out Ben Carson rejects evolution as well, being as renowned as he is as an academic physician. I find his reasoning (citing things such as the complexity of the human eye, which can be functionally and structurally traced back through many progenitor forms in other species) to be unusually weak for what I would expect from him. Then again, he has personal beliefs that conflict with science, so I probably shouldn't be surprised that they skew his perception of reality, as they do for so many other people.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Happy to know my State's girl is an evolutionist! She's got my vote!

 

[Whatyousay]

Unfortunately for uneducated people, evolution doesn't care if you believe in it or not.

I was pretty surprised when I found out Ben Carson rejects evolution as well, being as renowned as he is as an academic physician. I find his reasoning (citing things such as the complexity of the human eye, which can be functionally and structurally traced back through many progenitor forms in other species) to be unusually weak for what I would expect from him. Then again, he has personal beliefs that conflict with science, so I probably shouldn't be surprised that they skew his perception of reality, as they do for so many other people.

As long as Dr. Carson's beliefs don't get in the way of his ability to be a world-class neurosurgeon, I suppose I don't really have a problem with it

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

Personally I was not raised religious, have no studied much religion, read the bible, etc. and have just been pretty whatever about.

But does whatever their teaching are really go that in depth as to dismissing stuff like evolution?

I mean, religion(s) are older than evolution(at least in the sense of having a theory being established), how are they able to state that evolution is wrong decades and decades prior to their being a theory for it.

With all these conflicts between religion and science, religion somehow seems to always be a head of it's time to claim that something of science is wrong.

 

[SarahBellum1]

But does whatever their teaching are really go that in depth as to dismissing stuff like evolution?

I would say no...but it just depends on how literally the individual takes the Bible (or whatever religious text), I guess. Most who dismiss it couldn't even begin to tell you what it is.

Even the pope accepted evolution as true...sort of. (somewhat of a good start?):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

For those who "don't believe in evolution"...do they completely deny that any type of evolution occurs at all? If they knew that we can demonstrate evolution in a petri dish with bacterial resistance to antibiotics, for example...then there's almost no way to deny it. And it would only make sense to apply this model to a more macro-scale...yeah?

 

[KTownGT]

But does whatever their teaching are really go that in depth as to dismissing stuff like evolution?

I mean, religion(s) are older than evolution(at least in the sense of having a theory being established), how are they able to state that evolution is wrong decades and decades prior to their being a theory for it.

With all these conflicts between religion and science, religion somehow seems to always be a head of it's time to claim that something of science is wrong.

strong post.

ID and Creationists base their beliefs(that is what they are: unfounded, unsupported, and generally erroneous beliefs) on Genesis usually. Mainly citing that God created the world + animals + Adam/Eve(From dirt/part of a rib) literally.

Most proponents for ID/Creationism have not the slightest bit of background in any scientific field. Ie, many of them rely on misinformation, hearsay, and blatant ignorance on the subject they are discussing.

Practically all of them dismiss science totally. Others love science, but dismiss the parts that contradict their beliefs, even with overwhelming evidence.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

strong post.

ID and Creationists base their beliefs(that is what they are: unfounded, unsupported, and generally erroneous beliefs) on Genesis usually. Mainly citing that God created the world + animals + Adam/Eve(From dirt/part of a rib) literally.

Most proponents for ID/Creationism have not the slightest bit of background in any scientific field. Ie, many of them rely on misinformation, hearsay, and blatant ignorance on the subject they are discussing.

Practically all of them dismiss science totally. Others love science, but dismiss the parts that contradict their beliefs, even with overwhelming evidence.

The unfortunate reality is that our educational system is horribly inept at teaching any science. It's not a surprise that these people don't accept evolution, because to them this is all without evidence and in fact faith. We need to better educate these people about just what evolution really is and then they will accept it.

 

[Prateek]

The best part is, their lack of belief in evolution is irrelevant. It's going to happen regardless if we bicker about it or not. And that is what makes it awesome 🙂

 

[rhesuspieces]

My main concern after watching this video isn't whether a bunch of beauty queens think evolution is a valid scholarly topic but the fact that 3/4 of these girls completely lack the verbal faculties to express a coherent argument one way or the other. Too bad--I've met plenty of pageant girls who are perfectly intelligent. Seems like the Miss USA competition hand picks the stupid ones who'll be good for a few dumb quotes.

 

[BHaus9]

My main concern after watching this video isn't whether a bunch of beauty queens think evolution is a valid scholarly topic but the fact that 3/4 of these girls completely lack the verbal faculties to express a coherent argument one way or the other. Too bad--I've met plenty of pageant girls who are perfectly intelligent. Seems like the Miss USA competition hand picks the stupid ones who'll be good for a few dumb quotes.

i think the problem is directly attributable to a paucity of maps in the classroom

 

[KTownGT]

I've known many creationists who have changed their views after hearing a good pro-evolution argument.

They were not true creationists then.

It is a damn shame when one expresses rationally, accuratley, and coherently for evolution, and the main response by ID/Creats is always:

 

[gettheleadout]

The unfortunate reality is that our educational system is horribly inept at teaching any science. It's not a surprise that these people don't accept evolution, because to them this is all without evidence and in fact faith. We need to better educate these people about just what evolution really is and then they will accept it.

The needed change will never come about because the government is filled with the same ignorant people. Just look how much politicians actually care to know about the practice of medicine when ruling however many -illions of dollars of cuts to healthcare programs/physician reimbursement.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

i think the problem is directly attributable to a paucity of maps in the classroom

Ahahahaha. So true, especially in The Iraq.

They were not true creationists then.

It is a damn shame when one expresses rationally, accuratley, and coherently for evolution, and the main response by ID/Creats is always:

I feel like a lot of these girls gave the "God" answer, as if they'd be viewed as bad Christians if they didn't bring creation into the equation. The best answer I have in response is something that my college Evolution teacher told our class when asked what her beliefs were: "Yes, I believe there is a God. I'm not saying there isn't. But my God gave living things the ability to evolve."

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

Which is weird...I mean, at the very least you budget for healthcare should be at least somewhat equal to that of your military budget, I mean you can't always assume your army will die, you have significant amount of people surviving that would require medical attention.

Basically, we are spending too much money to kill people than to heal them. 😀

 

[Longshanks]

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IMHO I hope that all future physicians should have an understanding of evolution. Doesn't matter if they believe it but they should at least know how it pertains to biological systems and realizing how it impacts human physiology.

It does matter if they believe it. If one doesn't understand and accept the Theory of Evolution they are foolish, unscientific quacks.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

It does matter if they believe it. If one doesn't understand and accept the Theory of Evolution they are foolish, unscientific quacks.

I TA'd for an Intro to Biology class last semester, and part of the class was a pre- and post-course survey about attitudes toward evolution. As you can guess, a majority of the class answered "Strongly Disagree" for any pro-Evolution statements.

The funny thing was, though, that even after the course were over, several people still answered "Strongly Disagree," and that Evolution was a scientifically invalid theory.

I secretly hope all of those people got C's.

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

I TA'd for an Intro to Biology class last semester, and part of the class was a pre- and post-course survey about attitudes toward evolution. As you can guess, a majority of the class answered "Strongly Disagree" for any pro-Evolution statements.

The funny thing was, though, that even after the course were over, several people still answered "Strongly Disagree," and that Evolution was a scientifically invalid theory.

I secretly hope all of those people got C's.

Were there a lot of people that went from disagree to agree?

 

[V5RED]

It does matter if they believe it. If one doesn't understand and accept the Theory of Evolution they are foolish, unscientific quacks.

My mother does not know virtually anything about evolution. She works in systems testing for a well known bank, makes a lot of money, and if she ever gets sick of working there she has many offers on the table.

Is she a foolish quack?

 

[NightGod]

I find his reasoning (citing things such as the complexity of the human eye, which can be functionally and structurally traced back through many progenitor forms in other species) to be unusually weak for what I would expect from him.

Check out this month's Scientific American. They've basically worked out the science behind the evolution of the eye, so it's going to be interesting to see the ID/Creationist reaction to it.

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

My mother does not know virtually anything about evolution. She works in systems testing for a well known bank, makes a lot of money, and if she ever gets sick of working there she has many offers on the table.

Is she a foolish quack?

I assume not understanding something is not the same as refusing to understand something.

If you simply don't know anything about evolution, and end it there, then that is fine. If you know about evolution, but refuse to believe it, then that is were you are being "foolish".

 

[WildEMDoc]

Sometimes I feel like I know everyone in New Mexico. Miss NM definitely was at a frat party with me a few years ago. 😀

 

[samvillian]

"evolution should be taught as what it is, it's a theory and it shouldn't be taught as fact"

lol... gravity is a theory.

 

[Bmed]

There's probably some religious forum out there that is vehemently and self-assuredly convincing themselves that evolution does not exist.

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

"evolution should be taught as what it is, it's a theory and it shouldn't be taught as fact"

lol... gravity is a theory.

I never even heard of evolution being referred to simply as fact. Evolution Fact or Fact of Evolution, doesn't even have the same ring to it.

Misinformed people should just stick with "true" or "not true", and not try to misuse scientific terms just to sound smart. 😀

 

[Astarael]

Personally I was not raised religious, have no studied much religion, read the bible, etc. and have just been pretty whatever about.

But does whatever their teaching are really go that in depth as to dismissing stuff like evolution?

I mean, religion(s) are older than evolution(at least in the sense of having a theory being established), how are they able to state that evolution is wrong decades and decades prior to their being a theory for it.

With all these conflicts between religion and science, religion somehow seems to always be a head of it's time to claim that something of science is wrong.

It's not so much that religion explicitly says, "Evolution is wrong," but that the story in Genesis is seen as incompatible with evolution. I think someone above touched on it briefly, but in Genesis you have this theme over and over of something coming from nothing. Evolution, on the other hand, is based around a series of slow, gradual changes. So the logical framework underlying the two is seen by many people as completely different. The solutions to this are:

A) Disregard Genesis
B) Disregard Evolution
C) Interpret Genesis in a less literal way

As I'm sure you've seen, there are many Christians who choose B.

For those who "don't believe in evolution"...do they completely deny that any type of evolution occurs at all? If they knew that we can demonstrate evolution in a petri dish with bacterial resistance to antibiotics, for example...then there's almost no way to deny it. And it would only make sense to apply this model to a more macro-scale...yeah?

I could be wrong about this, but I think most of the denial is pointed at macro-evolution. This is especially true in regards to our own evolutionary history, with many deniers having problems believing that we evolved from earlier primates. Obviously that's a grossly simplistic interpretation of the actual evidence that we have on the origin of humans, but then again, most people who deny evolution aren't scientists themselves.

I have yet to meet a person who thinks natural selection is a hoax, but I'm sure they're out there.

 

[whiteshadodw]

"evolution should be taught as what it is, it's a theory and it shouldn't be taught as fact"

lol... gravity is a theory.

i had a 'civilized argument' with someone about evolution and the person said that gravity was a theory. i laughed because he tried to explain to me that there might be a possibility that if you drop something from a building it won't fall. LOL.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

Were there a lot of people that went from disagree to agree?

There were a pretty good amount. I'd say at the beginning of the class, the ratio was 60:40, with Evolution on the losing side. By the end of the class, it shifted to 20:80, Evolution the victor. But it was that 20% that killed me.

 

[samvillian]

i had a 'civilized argument' with someone about evolution and the person said that gravity was a theory. i laughed because he tried to explain to me that there might be a possibility that if you drop something from a building it won't fall. LOL.

lol... in THEORY maybe 😉


who am i kidding.

 

[CuttingCorneas]

There's probably some religious forum out there that is vehemently and self-assuredly convincing themselves that evolution does not exist.

They're probably from Kentucky, and lifetime donors for the Creation museum they've got there. Google it. Be amazed. (And disappointed by human ignorance.)

*Note: I actually like people from Kentucky. Just not the fanatics that go out of their way to convince themselves that science is just one big conspiracy, and build a 70,000 square foot building to prove it.

PS: On the website, one of the headers is "Natural Selection is not Evolution." ::cough::

 

[Camy99]

So... what's wrong with teaching evolution as a theory (GRAVITY IS NOT RELATED TO EVOLUTION WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! /rant)? And Creationism as another (If you don't believe in God, you can't in any way be forced to believe if it's fact or not. Reading the Bible forwards and backwards will not suddenly enlighten you)? What's wrong with giving people a choice, or a chance to rationalize. I could continue and write an essay-length debate but it's 3am.

Bash on, dear fellow ignorants, bash on. I'm glad since you all agree with each other, you've taken the freedom to congregate here and say *some* of thee stupidest claims I've ever heard. Again, I could write out a coherent argument but my eyes are drooping and brain hurts because, previous to this, I read a troll thread. I wish I could leave this post without stating any sides but by reading my sig I know many of you will jump to conclusions, and that can't be helped. Ah well--bash on.

 

[NightGod]

So... what's wrong with teaching evolution as a theory (GRAVITY IS NOT RELATED TO EVOLUTION WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?! /rant)? And Creationism as another (If you don't believe in God, you can't in any way be forced to believe if it's fact or not. Reading the Bible forwards and backwards will not suddenly enlighten you)? What's wrong with giving people a choice, or a chance to rationalize. I could continue and write an essay-length debate but it's 3am.

Bash on, dear fellow ignorants, bash on. I'm glad since you all agree with each other, you've taken the freedom to congregate here and say *some* of thee stupidest claims I've ever heard. Again, I could write out a coherent argument but my eyes are drooping and brain hurts because, previous to this, I read a troll thread. I wish I could leave this post without stating any sides but by reading my sig I know many of you will jump to conclusions, and that can't be helped. Ah well--bash on.

You mean, besides the fact that evolution is based on the real world and creationism is based on mythology and magic? Why don't we teach that Zeus is responsible for lightening while we're at it? That's just as realistic as creationism.

And the point wasn't that gravity is related to evolution, it's that gravity is considered a scientific theory just like evolution is. The scientific definition of the word is very different from the typical definition, yet creationists try to apply the typical since it makes it sound like you can dismiss evolution simply because scientists use the word theory.