MOCA Part 4 - New Attestation

[impersonator]

Hi all. The ABA website had been down over the past couple of days, and I noticed it is back up today. When looking over the MOCA part 4 requirements (the painful QI portion), I now noticed that there is no longer a form required for any activities. It is simply an attestation that you have completed 25 credits for each 5 year portion of your recertification cycle. Anyone else see this? Thoughts?

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[fittipaldi1of1]

They announced it will be more of an honors system as we are all professionals, but there will be audits and if falsified could mean loss of certification so u should maintain proof/records

 

[GassYous]

The whole thing is just stupid. Board certification should go back to how it used to be.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I guess the nonsense will grow like every other bureaucracy. Though probably unpopular, my suggestion is if you do anything then have a test. It at least forces you to go over stuff, learn (relearn) something, and sets some kind of basic standard, regardless how vague or useful that standard is. As set up, it's basically busy work. You COULD learn something out of MOCA as it currently is now, but the unmotivated, the group you want to know is keeping up, can get through the MOCA busy work without any benefit gained or standard of any kind met. So, what's the point?

 

[linkin06]

I saw you can now get CME credit for doing MOCA questions. If you pay extra.......

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I saw you can now get CME credit for doing MOCA questions. If you pay extra.......

Is it 10hrs per quarter of questions, or 10hrs per year of questions? And then depending on that answer, is it $160 per quarter, or per year?

 

[Guillemot]

Yeah. I don't think all this MOCA stuff is going to successfully cause people to become competent or retain competency. I had some spare CME money & time, and so I did the SIMSTAT just to make sure I had the QI stuff out of the way. It was not very good at all. Some of the other QI stuff sounds reasonable, but documenting it is not helpful and doesn't necessarily mean that one got something worthwhile out of it.

I do put active effort into learning outside of the MOCA stuff and that is what is actually going to help me be a good physician.

 

[OB1🤙]

It’s all just window dressing over the fact that MOCA is a practice tax. Soon they’ll just say “You know what, let’s not pretend anymore, no more assessments and no more MOCA minutes. Just mail us the $210 per year because we said so and we need it, or else you lose your job. Have a nice day!”

Just say no to that garbage. Lobby your hospitals to accept NBPAS and never pay the ABA another dime for the extortion scheme that is MOCA.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Calling all SimStat-ers. I've read all the posts on multiple threads and I get the gist... It sucks.

What I can't find is how long does it take to complete all 5 on average? How many hours go down the rat hole with the dollars?

Thanks in advance

 

[okayplayer]

Calling all SimStat-ers. I've read all the posts on multiple threads and I get the gist... It sucks.

What I can't find is how long does it take to complete all 5 on average? How many hours go down the rat hole with the dollars?

Thanks in advance

I did one and I wanted to slam my head into the computer monitor. If you do 5 god bless you.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I did one and I wanted to slam my head into the computer monitor. If you do 5 god bless you.

Well that's encouraging 😂

 

[ProwlerturnGas]

The first one takes the longest as you become acquainted with how simstat works. Each module takes less time. My experience anyway. I got faster as I went along.

 

[Mman]

Hi all. The ABA website had been down over the past couple of days, and I noticed it is back up today. When looking over the MOCA part 4 requirements (the painful QI portion), I now noticed that there is no longer a form required for any activities. It is simply an attestation that you have completed 25 credits for each 5 year portion of your recertification cycle. Anyone else see this? Thoughts?

they made that change at some point in mid 2020 IIRC. I wasn't sure if it was just a pandemic thing, but appears to be continuing indefinitely.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Completed MOCA questions for another year. In no danger of being close to the MDT threshold so this is a question of curiosity, What if you fail to meet the 0.1 MDT standard? Are you kicked out of MOCA? Is the punishment double fees for the next 10 year cycle plus completion of additional expensive ASA courses? Or is it, You didn't meet the standard, now carry on.