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Why do our MOCA questions not count as CME?
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gator2886 said:
In what instance does CAT 2 even help you? Dont all the states require 20 or so hours of CAT 1
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My state requires 150hrs every 3 years, 90 hours of which can be informal - in what instance does that not help you? Just do ACE / SEE for your cat1, why does it have to be MOCA?
 
sigrhoillusion said:
Because MOCA questions are an entirely separate requirement.

Part 1 = licensing
Part 2 = CME
Part 3 = MOCA questions
Part 4 = PI/QI and are the biggest pain in the butt
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Has anyone done the ASA modules ($1600 for non members) for their Part 4? Your experience with it? I plan on doing that for my second 5 year requirement. Also, ABA informed me there will be a one year no penalty Covid extension for requirements due this year.
 
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sigrhoillusion said:
Because MOCA questions are an entirely separate requirement.

Part 1 = licensing
Part 2 = CME
Part 3 = MOCA questions
Part 4 = PI/QI and are the biggest pain in the butt
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We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
Has anyone done the ASA modules ($1600 for non members) for their Part 4? Your experience with it? I plan on doing that for my second 5 year requirement. Also, ABA informed me there will be a one year no penalty Covid extension for requirements due this year.
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I have to do the 25 within 5 years by end of 2021. My hospital actually has a Sim Center, and my group will actually pay for it. I just don't want to use a weekend, PTO or a post-call day to do it...
 
I completed the five simstat modules. The first was a PITA as I got to know the controls and flow of the program. The subsequent modules went much better. Too expensive though. Overall wasn’t bad.
 
ProwlerturnGas said:
I completed the five simstat modules. The first was a PITA as I got to know the controls and flow of the program. The subsequent modules went much better. Too expensive though. Overall wasn’t bad.
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They're expensive cause they are extorting you/us because you need that license.
 
Since we have no MOCA requirements this year, I haven’t been doing MOCA Minute questions. Will I need to make up the 120 questions later? Or do they just happily take my money and give me a pass?
 
sigrhoillusion said:
I have to do the 25 within 5 years by end of 2021. My hospital actually has a Sim Center, and my group will actually pay for it. I just don't want to use a weekend, PTO or a post-call day to do it...
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I've been assuming I can't do Sim twice, one for each 5 years, but if I could I would.
 
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So I never paid for MOCA this year because I read they are waving the requirement for it this year. However I am now seeing that even if we don't have to do the questions, we still have to pay for it regardless this year. What kind of bull**** is that?
 
Yup... What a joke. You don't need to do any recertification work this year, but we're still going to take your money.
 

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sigrhoillusion said:
Because MOCA questions are an entirely separate requirement.

Part 1 = licensing
Part 2 = CME
Part 3 = MOCA questions
Part 4 = PI/QI and are the biggest pain in the butt
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PI/QI can be done in a bull**** case presentation / analysis fashion.

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Gem #2. Part 4 can be completed for free
You can complete your Part 4 requirements for free. The full list of ABA-approved Part 4 activities includes these four completely free options which you self-document by filling out a one-page form that you only submit if you’re audited:

  1. Present an interesting case. Earn points just by sharing your experience on a unique case with colleagues. Claim 1 point per hour spent on this activity, up to 15 points, and document your work using this form.
  2. Present at M&M. Earn points by discussing an adverse or potentially adverse patient outcome in your department’s formal peer-reviewed setting. Claim 1 point per hour spent on this activity, up to 15 points, and document your work using this form.
  3. Assess and iterate your own practice. Think about how you can improve patient outcomes by refining your own practice. Claim 1 point per hour spent on this activity, up to 15 points, and document your work using this form.
  4. Review a journal article directly related to your patient. Self-directed point-of-care learning — something we all do on a regular basis — now counts towards Part 4. Claim 1 point per hour spent on this activity, up to 15 points, and document your work using this form."

Source:
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
Has anyone done the ASA modules ($1600 for non members) for their Part 4? Your experience with it? I plan on doing that for my second 5 year requirement. Also, ABA informed me there will be a one year no penalty Covid extension for requirements due this year.
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What is most disheartening to me about the 4 parts of MOCA is that not a single part of it guarantees knowledge acquired or a certain standard maintained. Many will treat it as busy work and lost dollars, and not receive any educational value from it. Therefore what is the point?

Nobody including me likes to take a test, but at least the recert test guaranteed an educational value from studying for it and some kind of standard would be maintained. We can debate all day long what the proper standard and test should be, but at least the test attempted something in the direction of maintaining a standard. Current MOCA is constant crap of inefficient time and dollars.
 
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My part 4 is accomplished by admin type work that I would do either way. Look at the requirements, unless you walk in, sit on a stool, and never speak to anyone they should be easy.
Virtually any admin type of work should cover it.
 
Twiggidy said:
I did a part 4 simulator that was only one day and to be honest I actually got a lot out of it, got to meet some new people, and got a weekend away from the fam in a nice city. Caught with my Serial podcast on a beach and my practice reimbursed me for it.
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The real question is
1. Did you actually pay for it?
2. Did you have to take a day off and lose money

Those who say they enjoyed it
1. Got cme money
2. Got cme days off

I did mine back in 2014. Got 2 free cme days from academic practice plus paid for at the beach. Of course I would enjoy it.

Now I took the 250 question written test in 2013 and was independent contract. That money I lost DIDNT enjoy.
 
My unpopular opinion is that I got more out of having to review to take a recert exam than I ever have from any of the MOCA crap. Though I didn’t mind the sim. I’m involved with a lot of sims with the residents and fellows, so I was also looking at it from that perspective.
Maybe most people didn’t review for the exams, knowing (hoping) that the cut off to failure was so low that they would be fine. I took my exams more seriously and had a nice review. You’d be surprised what you forget when you’re so specialized.
 
codeb1ue said:
So I never paid for MOCA this year because I read they are waving the requirement for it this year. However I am now seeing that even if we don't have to do the questions, we still have to pay for it regardless this year. What kind of bull**** is that?
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you have to do the questions next year if you put it off this year so why bother delaying? It’ll just make it that much worse next year.
 
aneftp said:
The real question is
1. Did you actually pay for it?
2. Did you have to take a day off and lose money

Those who say they enjoyed it
1. Got cme money
2. Got cme days off

I did mine back in 2014. Got 2 free cme days from academic practice plus paid for at the beach. Of course I would enjoy it.

Now I took the 250 question written test in 2013 and was independent contract. That money I lost DIDNT enjoy.
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My sim was on a Saturday, so it didn’t impact work, though i suppose it did impact my free time. Though as noted above, there’s nothing wrong with a weekend away. It was paid out of my professional expense account. I’m not sure why a private practice couldn’t decide to pay this as a business expense as the certification is required to practice. No?
1099 is 1099.
 
triggermaster said:
you have to do the questions next year if you put it off this year so why bother delaying? It’ll just make it that much worse next year.
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thats not my understanding of the most recent email we received. They stated that your performance will be calculated from the last 100 questions answered and you won’t be penalized for unanswered questions in 2020
 
ZzzPlz said:
thats not my understanding of the most recent email we received. They stated that your performance will be calculated from the last 100 questions answered and you won’t be penalized for unanswered questions in 2020
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Correct. You still have to pay the $210 for 2020. So if u skip 2020 payment. U will still need to pay $210 next year plus $210 for 2021 cycle year to make it up.

but the questions are based on the last 120 questions answered.
 
aneftp said:
The real question is
1. Did you actually pay for it?
2. Did you have to take a day off and lose money

Those who say they enjoyed it
1. Got cme money
2. Got cme days off

I did mine back in 2014. Got 2 free cme days from academic practice plus paid for at the beach. Of course I would enjoy it.

Now I took the 250 question written test in 2013 and was independent contract. That money I lost DIDNT enjoy.
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1. I paid for it and was reimbursed for a good majority of the cost (maybe a bit of the hotel and my staying the whole weekend put me in the red)
2. We don't really get "CME days" so yes I did lose a day of "productivity" but in the grand scheme, that one loss day and a weekend off balance out mentally and I did my part 4 work all in the process. I viewed it as a mini-"working" vacation as if I were going to an anesthesia conference in Vegas.

I'm sure there are some that are worse than others but this particular program did a good job, and like I said, it was just one day which isn't bad. As with with most things, you get out of it what you put in. The first hour I was like "This could suck" but by the end of the day I actually wanted to help teach a simulator.
 
ZzzPlz said:
thats not my understanding of the most recent email we received. They stated that your performance will be calculated from the last 100 questions answered and you won’t be penalized for unanswered questions in 2020
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I thought I remembered reading that you had to make it up but I searched and can’t find that in my email. If not, so much the better!
 
Digging up an older thread. My certification expires on December 31 of this year. If I am enrolled in the MOCA and have completed all my requirements, will I automatically be renewed on January 1 or is there some sort of form or application that I have to fill out?
 
Regarding 20 Patient Safety Hours for MOCA Part 2, what are some efficient no cost or low cost options?
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
Regarding 20 Patient Safety Hours for MOCA Part 2, what are some efficient no cost or low cost options?
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And regarding Part 4, what are some free courses or easy courses to get 25 points. I am aware of a free 16 point ASA covid course. Any advice for the other 9 points?

Not doing any M&Ms, Hospital QI project etc; nothing I must create a lot of independent work and thought. Looking for something reasonable to sign up for and plow through.

Others must have been in this boat needing Part 2 and Part 4 requirements.
 
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