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ok, so i have to redo my written boards in order to stay boardcertified, my 10 years will be up in 2011, but the ABA says that i could already do them this year...
after an internal fight between the procrastinator and the efficient ego the latter won and i applied for this year.
while i know that i am one of the first batch (boarded in 2001) that has to do this , i would like to hear from peoples experience , has anybody done MOCA yet, what did you use to prepare yourself etc..
any insight is appreciated and i promise to stop talking about dentists on this forum...😀
fasto
 
My diplomate status is up in 2012 and I just received my passing results from the January 2009 MOCA cognitive exam. So presumably, my certification will be good now until 2023, pending about 30 more CME credits between now and 2012.

I've been doing the ASA Anesthesia Continuing Education (ACE) program for the bulk of my MOCA CME credit requirements. There really is no better way of amassing CME credits...60 per year, though for MOCA you probably only need about 30 a year. The ACE program used to be available for about $200 for non-ASA members until they jacked it up to $800 a couple years ago. Highway robbery, but like I said, where else can you get 60 credits for bubbling in 100 dots (and now it's all on the internet, so 100 clicks).

To prepare for the actual MOCA exam, I bought a copy of Jensen's MOCA Blue. I had previously used Ranger Red for the orals, so I was familiar with Jensen's style. Now, I don't know how busy your practice is or how much of a life you lead outside of work, but for me it was important that I balance all of this with the limited time I had to study for the exam. I can't stress enough how important it is to have one central resource from which to base all or the central part of your study program. For me, I just couldn't stomach the idea of going back to all of those great textbooks sitting on the shelf... Miller, Yao, etc, etc, etc. The nature of any exam is just too hit-or-miss to study for by re-reading entire textbooks...maybe in your spare time for fun or whatever, but not for a directed systems-oriented approach to preparing for an exam.

As with Ranger Red, I found MOCA Blue to be exceedingly organized and compartmentalized to the MOCA keywords. On a first read it may seem to be very superficial and too succinct, but the sheer volume of information contained in that big binder is pretty impressive on the whole. The idea is to get through the material in a timely fashion and jog your memory and understanding of the concepts and details. I found MOCA Blue to be very good at doing just this for me. It's not one of those books that you can read and learn everything you need to know to be an anesthesiologist. It's a very directed collection of specific information that has been found to be specifically related to or tested upon in previous written exams. The upshot: I found it to be a very effective and efficient way to direct my studying. It was the only resource I used to study from. And going through it built an appropriate level of confidence in me for the exam.

Since I just received my results, I have listed my MOCA Blue binder up for sale on eBay so that maybe someone else can find it of use. It's still the current edition (2nd) that is for sale at Jensen's site.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300304629963

The exam itself was pretty similar to any other written exam you may have taken. I believe there were only 200 or so questions, of which you only have to answer 150 in the space of 4 hours. It sounds like a paltry number of questions at first, but when you think of the time as 240 minutes... roughly answering one question per minute is a pretty fast clip, especially 10 years out of residency. The whole thing is computerized, so it's easy to keep track of how many questions you've answered vs. how many questions you have left. You can also skip questions and mark them for later review.

The strategy for me was to start the exam and answer all the "easy" questions first...the ones that I knew were correct. Then at the end of this first run, see how many questions I had actually answered and how much time I had left. The thinking was, if after this first run I had already answered the required 150 questions, then great...test over. My problem was that I finished my first run with 168 questions answered, so I spent the hour I had left basically going through to find 18 questions to eliminate (quite a chore, really). Not a bad problem to have...better than having to find 18 more questions to answer out of 68 skipped questions.

Anyways, in the end I ran out of time and had 151 questions answered. I just couldn't decide which one question to eliminate at the end. Funny. But the ABA says that statistically, people who answer only the required 150 questions do better than people who answer more than that. Sounds reasonable to me.

As far as exam material goes, definitely very clinically based, unlike what I remember from the writtens. Not too much minute detail tested, but this varied widely. You know how they can seemingly be asking 4 question topics in a single question? There seemed to be a lot of OB, neuro, and peds on my exam (i think I managed to eliminate every OB question!). IMHO, some very vague questioning, like "What is the first best intervention?" or "what is the least common possibility". No copper kettle or switched vaporizor baking a cake below sea level stupid questions.

Having said all of this, I dont think I would have felt comfortable with the exam if I had gone in cold. It is a clinically-based exam, but there is still plenty of detail-seeking...details which just clinically I haven't thought about in 10 years. MOCA Blue really honed in on this kind of stuff for me, and for that I am extremely thankful.

Any other questions, just ask! Good luck on your own preparation!
 
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My diplomate status is up in 2012 and I just received my passing results from the January 2009 MOCA cognitive exam. So presumably, my certification will be good now until 2023, pending about 30 more CME credits between now and 2012.

I've been doing the ASA Anesthesia Continuing Education (ACE) program for the bulk of my MOCA CME credit requirements. There really is no better way of amassing CME credits...60 per year, though for MOCA you probably only need about 30 a year. The ACE program used to be available for about $200 for non-ASA members until they jacked it up to $800 a couple years ago. Highway robbery, but like I said, where else can you get 60 credits for bubbling in 100 dots (and now it's all on the internet, so 100 clicks).

To prepare for the actual MOCA exam, I bought a copy of Jensen's MOCA Blue. I had previously used Ranger Red for the orals, so I was familiar with Jensen's style. Now, I don't know how busy your practice is or how much of a life you lead outside of work, but for me it was important that I balance all of this with the limited time I had to study for the exam. I can't stress enough how important it is to have one central resource from which to base all or the central part of your study program. For me, I just couldn't stomach the idea of going back to all of those great textbooks sitting on the shelf... Miller, Yao, etc, etc, etc. The nature of any exam is just too hit-or-miss to study for by re-reading entire textbooks...maybe in your spare time for fun or whatever, but not for a directed systems-oriented approach to preparing for an exam.

As with Ranger Red, I found MOCA Blue to be exceedingly organized and compartmentalized to the MOCA keywords. On a first read it may seem to be very superficial and too succinct, but the sheer volume of information contained in that big binder is pretty impressive on the whole. The idea is to get through the material in a timely fashion and jog your memory and understanding of the concepts and details. I found MOCA Blue to be very good at doing just this for me. It's not one of those books that you can read and learn everything you need to know to be an anesthesiologist. It's a very directed collection of specific information that has been found to be specifically related to or tested upon in previous written exams. The upshot: I found it to be a very effective and efficient way to direct my studying. It was the only resource I used to study from. And going through it built an appropriate level of confidence in me for the exam.

Since I just received my results, I have listed my MOCA Blue binder up for sale on eBay so that maybe someone else can find it of use. It's still the current edition (2nd) that is for sale at Jensen's site.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300302246043

The exam itself was pretty similar to any other written exam you may have taken. I believe there were only 200 or so questions, of which you only have to answer 150 in the space of 4 hours. It sounds like a paltry number of questions at first, but when you think of the time as 240 minutes... roughly answering one question per minute is a pretty fast clip, especially 10 years out of residency. The whole thing is computerized, so it's easy to keep track of how many questions you've answered vs. how many questions you have left. You can also skip questions and mark them for later review.

The strategy for me was to start the exam and answer all the "easy" questions first...the ones that I knew were correct. Then at the end of this first run, see how many questions I had actually answered and how much time I had left. The thinking was, if after this first run I had already answered the required 150 questions, then great...test over. My problem was that I finished my first run with 168 questions answered, so I spent the hour I had left basically going through to find 18 questions to eliminate (quite a chore, really). Not a bad problem to have...better than having to find 18 more questions to answer out of 68 skipped questions.

Anyways, in the end I ran out of time and had 151 questions answered. I just couldn't decide which one question to eliminate at the end. Funny. But the ABA says that statistically, people who answer only the required 150 questions do better than people who answer more than that. Sounds reasonable to me.

As far as exam material goes, definitely very clinically based, unlike what I remember from the writtens. Not too much minute detail tested, but this varied widely. You know how they can seemingly be asking 4 question topics in a single question? There seemed to be a lot of OB, neuro, and peds on my exam (i think I managed to eliminate every OB question!). IMHO, some very vague questioning, like "What is the first best intervention?" or "what is the least common possibility". No copper kettle or switched vaporizor baking a cake below sea level stupid questions.

Having said all of this, I dont think I would have felt comfortable with the exam if I had gone in cold. It is a clinically-based exam, but there is still plenty of detail-seeking...details which just clinically I haven't thought about in 10 years. MOCA Blue really honed in on this kind of stuff for me, and for that I am extremely thankful.

Any other questions, just ask! Good luck on your own preparation!

hey man nice review. Im about three years away. How many cmes you have to have to sit for the exam? 200?

i aint looking forward to this. I actually called the board recently and asked what happens if you fail. the lady said you keep taking it until you pass. at 1000 dollars a pop. NICE way to increase revenue. its a friggin industry. Ill check jensen out. I found jensen to be useless for studying for writtens I bought big blue and thumbed through it and threw it in the garbage. misspellings all over the place. I wish mike ho would make a study guide for the recert exam. anyway thanks for your review.

I was wondering what if you are pain management doc.. (not that i am) and not doing aneshtesia. can u still take it?
 
How many cmes you have to have to sit for the exam? 200?

Since I was one of the first graduating residency classes to go through MOCA, I think my CME reqs were prorated in some fashion. I have to get a total of 280 CMEs to get recertified, and the minimum to sit for the cognitive exam for me was 160. I believe that new MOCA candidates have to average 35 CMEs a year to have enough to recertify. The ABA MOCA site has a personalized timeline for your particular diplomate status. You really ought to take a look. I know that a few years back, they put a hard limit of 60 CMEs credited per year to discourage people from amassing CMEs at the last minute. Take a look at http://www.theaba.org

i aint looking forward to this. I actually called the board recently and asked what happens if you fail. the lady said you keep taking it until you pass.

Well, as soon as you acquire the minimum number of CME required, then you are eligible to take the written cognitive exam. Actually the earliest that you can take the exam is in Year 7 of the 10 year cycle. The only limit to the number of attempts you have at passing the exam is the expiration of your certification (Year 10). If your certificate expires before you have a chance to recertify successfully, then you are SOL and must start at square one again....written exam, orals, etc. THAT WOULD SUCK. So if you become eligible in Year 7, then you would probably have 5 or 6 attempts available. Prior to Year 7 and prior to fulfilling the minimum CME for the exam, you can take a "practice" exam. This is the same exam with the same $1000 cost... you just don't get graded (there is also no feedback in terms of whether you passed or failed). This is a useless waste of time and money. If you are going to take the exam, might as well have it count for real.

I found jensen to be useless for studying for writtens I bought big blue and thumbed through it and threw it in the garbage.

I'm not surprised that some people find Jensen's material to be disappointing. I have seen a lot of other board review materials, like Ho and Faust's book, etc. Honestly, if I wanted to read 20 pages on ABG analysis, I would just go to a real textbook. For me, board review was about jogging repressed memories of existing knowledge rather than reading a long text to form new knowledge. As I mentioned in my "review", I think Jensen's stuff provided a very easy to get through framework for my board preparation. It's all high-priced stuff, though. You gotta get something that you will actually get through, though...not just something that will sit on a shelf and look good as another "reference" book.

I was wondering what if you are pain management doc.. (not that i am) and not doing aneshtesia. can u still take it?

A pain certified anesthesiologist still has to maintain primary certification in Anesthesiology in order to keep the Subspecialty certification in Pain. MOCA is still a requirement for the primary certification, and nowadays I believe the Pain certificate is time-limited as well.

Once you are already settled into your practice, it's easy to think that recertification is not necessary. Most practices probably don't require recertification from their docs. Diplomate status was thought of as a requirement of hiring, not of continued employment. But anything can happen folks. Large HMO practices like Kaiser just changed their policies to require board certification at all stages of practice with loss of certification resulting in real financial penalty. And in the face of this economy, anything can happen. I have seen a couple of anesthesia groups completely fold or get terminated from their hospital affiliation without warning. Better to do everything possible to keep yourself as marketable as possible. Now that the first few MOCA cycles are finishing up, the process can only get more difficult for the following cycles. Already they have instituted case reviews and other practice evaluations for the most recent MOCA entrants. Get the monkey off your back as soon as you have the opportunity.
 
The only limit to the number of attempts you have at passing the exam is the expiration of your certification (Year 10). If your certificate expires before you have a chance to recertify successfully, then you are SOL and must start at square one again....written exam, orals, etc. THAT WOULD SUCK.


Are you sure about that? I spoke to the board and they said even if your certificate expires you can still keep taking the recert exam. Ill call them again.

I agree it would be less than pleasant taking the primary cert exam again. Im not sure thats doable. Psychologically speaking.
 
I spoke to the board and they said even if your certificate expires you can still keep taking the recert exam.

After reviewing the MOCA FAQ out of curiousity, I have to retract my statement regarding the penalty for not completing MOCA. You are right, you can just keep taking the exam or accruing CME credits until you complete all the MOCA requirements. Sorry if I caused any confusion or alarm.http://www.theaba.org/mocafaq.aspx

It seems a little silly really. But here is the statement:
10. If I don't complete MOCA in 10 years, do I have to start the program over?

No. As you continue in the Program, you will retain credit only for those requirements completed during the previous 10 years. For example, if you participate through Year 11, you would lose credit for any LL-SA (CME) activities completed in or before Year 1; if you participate through Year 12, you would lose credit for any LL-SA (CME) activities completed in or before Year 2, etc.

So after 10 years is up, you are no longer board certified, but you have as many cracks at reinstatement as you need to complete MOCA in a rolling 10 year period. Interesting, and definitely a money maker for the ABA.

Well, let's just hope that no one has to experience any of this. Get the monkey off your back at your earliest opportunity! The more time passes, the harder this stuff gets.
 
thank you gaspasser for this well thought out post ! what do you think of the dannemiller reviewcourses , anybody took it?
fasto
 
thank you gaspasser for this well thought out post ! what do you think of the dannemiller reviewcourses , anybody took it?
fasto


I just passed the recert exam (the non-MOCA) version. I have a lifetime certificate, but our department wants us to recert on schedule regardless. Even us old guys. Luckily, this is the last time I have to do it, since I will retire in less than 10 more yrs.

This is the first time ever that I studied just from Q&A style books. I could find five of them and I went through them all.

If you want, PM me and I will send you the names of the ones I used. The best and most complete is the Brian Hall one "Anesthesia: a Comprehensive Review", but I am glad I did the others as well.

I did Hall and one other twice just to be sure, but then, I am a slow learner.
 
Congrats to Dejavu! And I am so jealous of your retirement timeframe, though I suppose time will fly by for all of us.

The recertification exam and the MOCA exam are one and the same. Dejavu's experience is another data point of the changing winds of board certification. The public are demanding evidence that their treating docs are competent and the only evidence they have is board certification. Many groups (my own included) are like Dejavu's in insisting that everyone be certified within the last 10 years, no matter what.

I also forgot to mention that the ASA's ACE program is also an excellent Q&A style review to build confidence in the days building up to the exam. The questions are very similar in style to the MOCA exam.
 
. The public are demanding evidence that their treating docs are competent and the only evidence they have is board certification. .


having to take a written exam every 10 years that every doctor loathes is just the answer to provide evidence of competence
 
Has anyone heard of somebody not passing the recert. or moca exam?
 
Has anyone heard of somebody not passing the recert. or moca exam?


the pass rate is like 95 percent. so 5 pecent fail.
 
Hello all,

I took the MOCA today. I'll just say that even though the ABA states "it's not the same or as difficult as the initial Board test, and pass rates are high". The truth is that it is VERY much like the first exam in content and one would be well advised to prepare accordingly. The exam is 200 questions and you are given 4 hours with a 20 minute break in between.

For those of you who have not taken a computer based test, here are a few pearls: You will probably be taking it at a "one size fits all" computer testing center and hence there will, most likely, be several different exams taking place in your room (e.g. RN, LVN, Pharmacy, GMAT, etc) which means you are all not on the same time schedule. They provide ear plugs, which I found helpful when the other non-MOCA people were getting up and leaving.

Here are things to expect: There is a central "check-in" area, where you will need to present your ID, then they will scan your palms and take a digital photo. You will then be given a locker for your "stuff". You will not be allowed to use your cell phone or study materials, even during your 20min break. So my suggestion is to leave these in your car or at home. You will not be allowed to bring ANYTHING in to the actual testing room except your ID and locker key. This includes watches or anything else on your wrists. [I found this particularly troublesome when I had my break and this particular test center only had ONE 3 inch diameter analogue clock to reference -I kid you not!] How the heck are you supposed to keep track of the time if they don't allow you your watch???

You may use the restroom, take medications, eat, or leave your cubicle at other times other than your allowed 20 minute break, but the "clock is running" and you must raise your hand and be escorted out, where they will verify your palm print to exit. This is also true when returning. Which eats up extra time -- be forewarned.

I hope this info will be helpful. The fewer surprises on exam day the better.

Good luck to you all!!
 
Ace and Moca Blue helped me pass. All my materials are available. I am not taking it again in 10 yrs I'll be too feeble. Take it early while it's fresh, I could have but no one really pointed it out.
 
Took the MOCA exam this week. I would agree with those comments regarding preparation using ACE exams. They are quite thorough and afford you the ability to focus your studying on any areas that you need to. I re-read baby Miller and did about 1000 ACE questions, supplementing with other sources as needed. Having just taken the exam, I would say I over prepared.

I would not waste your money on a test prep course like the one mentioned earlier in this thread. For less than $100 you can get a high quality up to date text book that will serve you well in daily practice if needed. Personally I downloaded the kindle version of Miller to my iPad for quick reference in the OR.

Grinding through ACE questions was very helpful for me in terms of both content and style of the test. For the next cycle I plan to do an ACE every other year or so and just use those questions in my prep. The MOC test, in my opinion, was not nearly as difficult as the ACE tests.

The MOC test was very fair. Most of the questions touched on issues that you would, or could, see in daily practice. Not too much biochemistry minutia or exotic esoterica that seemed to be present on the written boards.

In short, there is a reason that 95% of the people pass this exam on their first try. Good luck in your prep and on your exam.
 
I found the exam to be fairly easy. Only about 50-60 questions out of the 200 were hard. As for MOCA itself I find it a pain in the arse.

Now I have to go travel to a center for my simulations in the next 24 months. I find that much worse than studying for the exam.

Also, I have to do those BS safety CMEs. I'll recertify again this cycle but I'm not so sure I'll do it for a third time since I have a lifetime certification.
 
Hi,
I am one of those procrastinators. I am due to recertify this year and have done nothing other than regular CME's. I hate this process as I have always hated standardized exams. I own my solo Pain Practice and do consult in a local hospital. Last time I did a MAC for Endo was almost one year ago. I have not done long, involved cases since 2005. I am ready to say hell with this recertification but I guess I have no choice. Yuck!
Where does a procrastinator even begins?
 
Hi, I'm just starting my MOCA review. Thanks to everyone who has engaged in this post! I plan to take it in July, so I have about 6 months to prep. I know that we can eliminate 50 questions and plan to skip anything having to do with pre-renal, infra-renal, post-renal, fractional excretion of sodium, urine osmolarity/osmolality! That stuff takes to long to memorize for little gain! My questions are: what is the best way to eliminate 50 questions? what if you answer more than 150 questions? Also, how long does it take to get your exam result?

Thanks in advance!😀
 
You can no longer eliminate questions, they stopped that last year I think. The test is very clinically based. Go through a few years of ACE questions, do some specific review of areas you don't practice (i.e. OB, peds), and you should do fine.
 
https://www.anesthesiologyboards.com/ordering/

I would just spend the $575 (pre-tax) and order the MOCA Blue. I figure the 35% discount due to tax savings makes this purchase reasonable. You can probably find it for less from an SDN member here.

MOCABlue.jpg
MOCA-ReCertification Blue (3rd edition)-Central Source for Maintenance of Certification in Anesthesiology$575


I personally just used the last 5 years of ACE questions and a basic review book (Faust). But, I have voluntary recertification so there is no pressure at all.
 
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I think the CMEs are the easiest part. I have to do more than the MOCA requirement to maintain my licenses anyway, 200 every for years for each. Since the window is so wide for MOCA I just try to line up my credits with my license due dates.

Has anyone done the CCM recert exam? I think that one is going to be a little tougher.
 
I personally just used the last 5 years of ACE questions and a basic review book (Faust). But, I have voluntary recertification so there is no pressure at all.

Anybody know how I can obtain old ACE questions? On the ASA's site, it looks like subscriptions only offer the most recent 2-3 question books.
 
Anybody know how I can obtain old ACE questions? On the ASA's site, it looks like subscriptions only offer the most recent 2-3 question books.

Find a buddy in academics. They often offer old copies to residents. Or just buy the Hall/Chantigian Q book.
 
Anybody know how I can obtain old ACE questions? On the ASA's site, it looks like subscriptions only offer the most recent 2-3 question books.

not only that, it costs 800 dollars for non members. THat is way too much in my opinion
 
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