Monkey Hate Fiasco

[doctorendgame]

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To those who don't know, there is a ring of monkey hate that takes pleasure in seeing baby monkeys get tortured. People call them "tree rats" and make them leeches for needing to cling (which is a biological need for baby monkeys for proper psychological development). Most videos of "pet" monkeys on social media subtly abuse them by exploiting and denying their need to cling, which makes them freak out and look spoiled to the uninformed. This freaking out is what brings in viewers and makes the owners money. This video explains it well and there's no R rated torture on it. However, there are videos where monkeys especially babies get brutally tortured, mutilated, and killed and people pay for this stuff. I've infiltrated these groups and acquired these videos and they make The Human Centipede look like a children's movie by comparison.

Can the psychology community weigh in on why people hate monkeys so much when they've never interacted with them? Actually, this goes beyond hatred. If you hate something, you never want to see them, but these people delight in seeing baby monkeys get tortured. People in healthcare, who own pets, have kids, enjoy watching baby monkeys suffer. It's like there's something about monkeys that trigger their sadism, which is giving me nazism vibes with the jews. I feel like this could be the makings of a groundbreaking psychology study.

The article below will get you up to speed if you've never heard of it.

Global network of sadistic monkey torture exposed by BBC

A year-long investigation uncovers a sadistic abuse network stretching from Indonesia to the US.

www.bbc.com

This one has no overt torture, but this baby was psychologically tortured to the extreme: they made it cling to that towel, essentially making that towel its mother, and took out of arm's reach but in the monkey's vision. Combined with the fact it's a baby so its brain isn't developed yet, specifically the frontal lobe that suppresses emotions, you get this. I won't include any physical torture but I wanted you guys to see just how bad this issue is.

 

[cara susanna]

This is horrific, but I'm not sure if it's specific to monkey hate or people just being terrible in general. I mean, people also mistreat other people like that.

 

[WisNeuro]

I'm with Cara, I'm not convinced this is anything unique to monkey hate, as it is just terrible people who enjoy seeing other things in pain. I mean, we have swathes of political sentiment and public that relishes at the pain of others in every day life.

 

[PsyDr]

Combination of neoteny/kinderschema, projective identification, twinship in the face of delayed maturity, bunch of lonely horny failure dudes talking on the internet and one upping each other, and antisocial personality disorder.

 

[cara susanna]

From Hunting the monkey torturers

In real life, he was Mike McCartney, a 48-year-old former motorcycle gang member in Norfolk, Virginia, with a swastika tattoo and a “man cave” in his home decorated with Nazi symbols and Confederate flags.

Sounds like he's a Neo Nazi? And this is the guy who eventually started to feel bad and helped take it down...

 

[cara susanna]

Me reading, learning that Mini survived and was rescued

 

[doctorendgame]

I forgot to mention there's literally a wikipedia page for monkey hate, so it seems this is particular for monkeys.

Me reading, learning that Mini survived and was rescued

Sadly, she's the exception. This one talks about Garina, a baby monkey that was tortured for 3-5 months and was poached at just 4 weeks old. Towards the end of her life, they cut off her lips and broke her arm. The video I posted up there was of Jessy, another monkey that was owned by the same owner as Garina. For every monkey saved, at least 100 didn't make it.

From Hunting the monkey torturers

In real life, he was Mike McCartney, a 48-year-old former motorcycle gang member in Norfolk, Virginia, with a swastika tattoo and a “man cave” in his home decorated with Nazi symbols and Confederate flags.

Sounds like he's a Neo Nazi? And this is the guy who eventually started to feel bad and helped take it down...

I've come across liberals that enjoy this crap too.

I'm not saying I agree with god when he decided to flood the world, but I am saying I get it. (I'm atheist for the record)

 

[cara susanna]

As someone who specializes in treating interpersonal trauma, I have many days where I'm like "what is WRONG with people?"

I thought the parallels that the BBC article made between this and child abuse were quite interesting.

 

[Sanman]

Well, this was a dark rabbit hole to go down on a Halloween friday.

 

[doctorendgame]

Well, this was a dark rabbit hole to go down on a Halloween friday.

Ignorance is bliss. Do not go down this rabbit hole, especially if you're the type that has to know everything. Your curiosity will get the better of you and you will get addicted to just wanting to know, like I did.

 

[cara susanna]

Well, this was a dark rabbit hole to go down on a Halloween friday.

I know! I haven't felt this disturbed since I read about that Japanese girl who was murdered in the 1980s.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

I just can’t with this right now. I know the dark corners of the web have existed since the internet was born, but mainstream folks are just noticing now.

The majority of the public continue to conflate “evil” with mental health. The scarier truth is that it’s not mental health, some people are just evil. Pathologizing people is easy to accept bc their diagnosis can be “blamed”. The reality is there are people out there who thrive on violence and pain. They exist to harm and destroy, and they have been doing their worst since our ancestors started walking on two feet.

No horror movies are needed when our ACTUAL history is so much worse.

 

[doctorendgame]

I know! I haven't felt this disturbed since I read about that Japanese girl who was murdered in the 1980s.

Something tells me this wasn't your typical murder case.

 

[cara susanna]

Something tells me this wasn't your typical murder case.

It was not. I didn't say her name because I don't want to give people another dark rabbit hole to go down, lol

 

[doctorendgame]

It was not. I didn't say her name because I don't want to give people another dark rabbit hole to go down, lol

I'm very resourceful. I can easily find out, especially with AI I can have it find out in minutes. lol.🤣

 

[cara susanna]

I'm very resourceful. I can easily find out, especially with AI I can have it find out in minutes. lol.🤣

Oh, yeah, it's super easy to find, but I wanted people to have to make even a tiny effort if they REALLY want to know.

 

[aim-agm]

Concurring with @cara susanna and @WisNeuro - while there are probably individuals who really hate monkeys specifically, but this isn't really about monkeys. You know what monkeys really resemble? People. You know what you really aren't allowed to kidnap and torture (or easily access videos of)? People. So if someone wants to torture (and/or watch torture) of people, especially children, then this is the next best thing. Given the choice between watching a person (particularly of an ethnic group they hate) or a monkey get tortured, these vase majority of these people would probably choose the former.

One thing to remember when you come across something like this is that people can be awful in ways you can't even imaging...but those people tend to be quite rare. It's just that because there are 8.2 billion people out there, even a low base rate means there are a significant number that could connect through the internet (facilitated by anonymity).

 

[doctorendgame]

It was not. I didn't say her name because I don't want to give people another dark rabbit hole to go down, lol

I see why you were reminded of it with Garina. Most of the monkey videos I saw, they were tortured and then kill relatively quickly compared to Garina. The videos can range from 10 mins to an hour, but at least those baby monkeys were died relatively quickly compared to Garina. What she and her fellow "sibling" monkeys endured was horrific even for by monkey torture standards. Every "pet" monkey got the short end of the stick on life, but Garina and her "siblings" got the short end of the monkey torture business; they got the short end of the short end of the stick.

One thing to remember when you come across something like this is that people can be awful in ways you can't even imaging...but those people tend to be quite rare. It's just that because there are 8.2 billion people out there, even a low base rate means there are a significant number that could connect through the internet (facilitated by anonymity).

Conversely, it could be you are underestimating how many people are like this because the internet lets them remove their mask they wear in public and embrace their real, ugly, selves.

 

[AsOneDoes]

I wish I never knew about this. I did not read the article to protect myself from knowing more detail. The punishment these people receive is never enough for what they do.

 

[doctorendgame]

The punishment these people receive is never enough for what they do.

I'm pretty sure that's the point: you go to prison for hurting kids, you're not walking out alive if you're put in gen pop. Even criminals have a code of honor and plenty will take justice into their own hands. You torture and kill dozens of baby monkeys to fund your meth addiction (I did not make that up, this was one of the video operators or VOs, which are the ones who do the torture), you go to prison for a few months to 2 years and no prisoner will care enough to make sure you never walk out of prison. Same applies if you're in a western country and you're caught funding this stuff.

I figure this stuff could be useful, so I saved the videos I came across (there are hundreds), thinking and hoping someone who specializes in violence might make use of these videos. I've already researched the law, specifically the Miller Obscenity Test. To those who don't know, which I'm assuming most since this is law, the Miller Obecenity Test is a test to determine whether media depiction is exempted from First Amendment protection. To pass the Miller test, the media has to meet all 3 criteria:
1. Whether the average person applying contemporary community standards would find the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
2. Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

Child pornography meets all 3 criteria, which is why it's illegal despite the First Amendment. These videos are pure sadism, not sexual, so they don't pass the Miller test and they're not illegal to keep; it's all defined by the Animal Crush Act. That's why I'm building up my collection to hopefully one day pass onto a psychologist or psychology student who's doing their dissertation on violence and social psychology so that we can shed light on this disturbing phenomenon. I watched a couple here and there out of curiosity but I haven't even seen 10% of what I have because it's too disturbing and would likely ruin my brain.

 

[cara susanna]

Well, it seems like the people involved in this case at least are going to get punished