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supahfresh

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Ok, what's the deal yo? Is moonlighting a good idea during residency? Jet, Mil, Noyac....do private practice groups care? is there liability issues that we need to be aware of? What types of moonlighting can anesthesia residents do? Should I even bother or should I just be a stripper on the weekends?

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supahfresh said:
Ok, what's the deal yo? Is moonlighting a good idea during residency? Jet, Mil, Noyac....do private practice groups care? is there liability issues that we need to be aware of? What types of moonlighting can anesthesia residents do? Should I even bother or should I just be a stripper on the weekends?

I and 2 other residents in our group (of 9) were moonlighting fiends. For 3 years straight I worked 3 outta 4 weekends (2 12 hour shifts per weekend) in a busy ER. 85 bucks an hour. Do the math. Pretty good cash for a resident!!

I think it makes you a better doctor, Sup...moonlighting in an ER, that is.

I worked for C&M, a company in Louisiana who has contracts at many ERs...they took care of malpractice, scheduling, etc.

BUT, moonlighting is dependent on which program you go to...some are OK with it, some provide anesthesia moonlighting for residents, etc.

A savvy Chairman (read Alan Kaye) realizes the monetary constraints a resident is under. In his slideshow for potential residents at Texas Tech (at his previous Chairman gig), Dr Kaye had a slide that said MOONLIGHTING ....then he went into stories about a resident at the institution where he was an assistant professor who moonlighted to the point of 100k a year during residency....(uhhh..that was me). Anyway, he was, and still is cool with moonlighting.

But check with the residents at where youre matching for the lowdown on said institution's viewpoint (or at least tolerance) of moonlighting.

All that said, you'll have more fun as a stripper. Take that gig if you can.
 
supahfresh said:
..... or should I just be a stripper on the weekends?

post a pic
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...jet and I will let you know which way you should go
 
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go to www.cnn.com and watch the "WATCH VIDEO"

You should ask tyra what she thinks. Apparently she had gone undercover as a stripper. :laugh:
 
ThinkFast007 said:
go to www.cnn.com and watch the "WATCH VIDEO"

You should ask tyra what she thinks. Apparently she had gone undercover as a stripper. :laugh:

Uhh, Think, I clicked your link thinghy, and hundreds flee new rash of wild fires came up.

Either I'm missing your analagy, or that con-bud in your dorm is affecting your motor skills.
 
jetproppilot said:
Uhh, Think, I clicked your link thinghy, and hundreds flee new rash of wild fires came up.

Either I'm missing your analagy, or that con-bud in your dorm is affecting your motor skills.

:laugh: :laugh:

Think,

my apologies. Finally got the link to show what you are saying.
 
100K ?!??!??! 😱 😱 GFG !! how many years of residency do you have to complete to be able to moonlight? can you do it after intership??? :idea: :idea:
 

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100K ?!??!??! 😱 😱 GFG !! how many years of residency do you have to complete to be able to moonlight? can you do it after intership??? :idea: :idea:

Thats right, dude. Once you have a medical license, you can moonlight. Which means you can start in your PGY-2 year.

If you know Dr Kaye, call him and ask him who was the most prolific "moonlighter" he's ever known.

He'll corroborate the numbers.

And he'll mention my name.

"Famous" or "infamous", or whatever.

Bottom line is you can make some serious jack when youre an anesthesia resident if youre motivated. And poor.
 
Hey Jet:

I'm really interested in knowing a little more about "moonlighting". I hope you could share some more info on it. For instance, how you moonlighted in an ER as an anesthesia resident? I could definetly use the extra cash.
 
martinri said:
Hey Jet:

I'm really interested in knowing a little more about "moonlighting". I hope you could share some more info on it. For instance, how you moonlighted in an ER as an anesthesia resident? I could definetly use the extra cash.

"Moonlighting" is an entity available to any resident with a medical license and a DEA number...which comes early in your PGY 2 year. Once you have those two things, you can moonlight.

Before college/med school, I was a firefighter/paramedic. So codes/trauma were familiar to me. I'd run countless codes/critical traumas in my previous-job-arena, so when it came time to step up a level, my previous experience became invaluable.

I started out at slow, rural ERs. The company I worked for had many ER contracts, and one could start at the slow ERs, and as confidence/experience came, you could request busier ERs (which paid more $).

Nearing the end of my PGY-2 year I was feeling pretty confident, so I requested (and received) a great gig at an outlying Charity-system hospital in Louisiana. It was a busy place with one doctor assigned to the ER, and one doctor assigned to the "clinic".

I worked in that ER enough to be considered "staff" during my residency. Because of my EMS background I bonded with the paramedics that brought patients there. One of the EMS supervisors, during one of my shifts, took my son with him in his Suburban, since my son (who I had brought with me that weekend) was looking bored, doing nothing but watching TV in my call room....Evan (my son) rode around with an EMS supervisor all day, stopped by the flight station and crawled around the helicopter, then went and ate lunch with the supervisor. What a great bunch of dudes.

The ER purists will defend their turf by saying no-one should be doing ER but ER dudes.

But let me ask you...the stuff that comes into the ER that is not critical in nature, if you can't figure out whats going on, theres always a consultant in said specialty to call. Got a dude after an accident with foot pain unexplainable by the x-ray? Call the orthopedist. Got a kid that doesnt look right, even though objective data is OK? Make sure the pediatrician sees the kid before they leave.

Unfortunately, in real life (anyways), specialists are overconsulted in the ER. Call it a result of our litiginous society, or whatever, but many ER docs consult too much. In my previous anesthesia gig there was an ER doc named Ricky...and whenever he was on, the specialists cringed...because they knew, for any problem, even minor, that concerned their specialty, they were gonna be consulted. Dude's nickname became Ricky Bin Laden.

Anyway, when a budding resident moonlighting in the ER, you can use this practice-style to your advantage. When in doubt, consult. Thats what the real-world ER dudes do anyway. (Yeah, I know. ER dudes, flame away. Its OK. Its the truth. So get over it.)

So now we've covered the non-critical stuff.

Now lets get to the critical stuff. And assuming you have experience in trauma (read: you did a surgery internship, etc), you know ATLS guidelines, you can place a chest tube, you can do a crich, you know how to do primary/secondary surveys and problem solve along the way,

you can moonlight in a busy ER.

When youre an anesthesia resident, your job, when needed, is critical care. You can intubate better than anyone else. You know codes better than the IM residents (ever noticed at a code that IM residents bark orders, while anesthesia residents know-said-barked-orders, but also know how to institute them?)...what you need is trauma experience...so during your intern year, if youve never seen trauma before, you need to spend some time in the trauma ER. Get comfortable with clearing C spines. Suturing.

Then spend some time in the medical ER. Chlamidia. PID. Ectopic pregnancy. Asthma. COPD exacerbation. DVT.

All the above stuff, if you do your intern year at a busy place, you'll see alot of.

And by the time you're midway through your PGY-2 year, you'll be pretty good at central lines.

So lets see. Mid-pgy-2 anesthesia resident. Airway-stud-extraordinairre. ACLS/ATLS deft. Knows how to manage a critically ill MI/CHF/septic shock/meningitis/ARDS etc.

And you can star an IV on an ant. And intubate the ant's infant son.

Bottom line is an anesthesia resident, assuming you've broadened your experience during your intern year/previous-healthcare-life, makes a pretty good ER doctor.
 
Jet...that was tight...i think i'd like to moonlight eventualy, just cuz i want to be 'up' on my medicine stuff (reason why i'd do it only at a rural type place ).

BUT guys in terms of moonlighting, mk sure it's ok with your residency. some residencies say that their residents CAN NOT do it. I know of two guys (really smart anesth residents) that got kicked out of their program because they moonlighted despite their PDs telling them they cant.

but hey, if you are lucky to be in one of thos eohter programs...lol...u'll mk enough to buy that gal of yours a nice, shiny, huge rock :laugh:
 
Hey Jet,

About this moonlighting....

In order to get in at the busier ER's (w/ presumably more trauma), was it mandatory for you to have been through a surgical internship seeing as you were doing an anesthesiology residency?

Just curious. A little extra bank during residency sounds right up my alley. 👍
 
First of All:
Supah, Is that you in the avatar? Nice POW POW.
I have been out of touch for a week while moonlighting in the Teton Backcountry. Approx'ly 9 ft of POW.

Secondly, My program had some internal moonlighting opportunities. It was $750 for a weekend call. I did about one a month. Others would moonlight in clinics while postcall and in ER's on weekends. I didn't. I had enough cash to do what I wanted, with my residency salary. My weekends were too valuable to spend in some ER. Also, if you are not receiving a passing score on your AKT's then you don't need to moonlight. Your ultimate goal is to be board certified. You will make plenty of money once you are out and practicing. Just my thoughts.
 
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Yup, that is me. There could have been better pics but we were all too busy laying fresh tracks to care about taking pictures.

I just found out that my program will not let us moonlight. So, I guess I'm screwed. Noyac, yes I realize that in 2 years I'll be making money, but I need cash in a bad way right now. I don't need to moonlight like jet did. I just need a solid weekend or two to get back on track.

Gonna meet with the PD this week to ask. If 'm not allowed to moonlight, I'm going to get a job as a bartender on the weekends.


Noyac said:
First of All:
Supah, Is that you in the avatar? Nice POW POW.
I have been out of touch for a week while moonlighting in the Teton Backcountry. Approx'ly 9 ft of POW.

Secondly, My program had some internal moonlighting opportunities. It was $750 for a weekend call. I did about one a month. Others would moonlight in clinics while postcall and in ER's on weekends. I didn't. I had enough cash to do what I wanted, with my residency salary. My weekends were too valuable to spend in some ER. Also, if you are not receiving a passing score on your AKT's then you don't need to moonlight. Your ultimate goal is to be board certified. You will make plenty of money once you are out and practicing. Just my thoughts.
 
by the way, pay your respects to the tram at jackson hole. they're talking about retiring it.
 
supahfresh said:
by the way, pay your respects to the tram at jackson hole. they're talking about retiring it.


They are retiring it after this year. I just spent a week there and never once sat my ass on a lift. We skinned in 4hrs to some remote peaks (freedom bowl, 420 bowl, etc.) slept in a Yut. Its a cross b/w a hut and a yurt. Basically it was a dead tree stretched across two trees with some tarps draped over it and a pot belly stove inside. We skinned and rode all untracked terrain without ever seeing another track.

So where is your avatar at? Jackson?
 
This shot was taken in no name trees next to the professor in Summit County Colorado. We skinned in from Loveland pass and then skied down to the A-basin parking lot. They got big snow this year. it is usually kinda weak up there but this year was insane.
 
Hey everyone,

so i am about a year behind on this thread, but since i am an about-to-be- PGY-2, and just done with the 1st day of the never-ending USMLE Step 3, i am trying to get some motivation for tomorrow's multiple choice, patient interactive onslaught by looking for moonlighting jobs in Boston.

anyone know of anything reasonable for a soon to be CA-2? I'm proficient in ED medicine, internal medicine, ICU call (would MUCH prefer ED, they seem to be the best slackers )

thanks!
 
The backcountry skiers and boarders on the gasforum need to do some CE hrs together someday!


QUOTE=supahfresh;3409938]This shot was taken in no name trees next to the professor in Summit County Colorado. We skinned in from Loveland pass and then skied down to the A-basin parking lot. They got big snow this year. it is usually kinda weak up there but this year was insane.[/QUOTE]
 
The backcountry skiers and boarders on the gasforum need to do some CE hrs together someday!


QUOTE=supahfresh;3409938]This shot was taken in no name trees next to the professor in Summit County Colorado. We skinned in from Loveland pass and then skied down to the A-basin parking lot. They got big snow this year. it is usually kinda weak up there but this year was insane.
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David Carpenter, PA-C
 
If 'm not allowed to moonlight, I'm going to get a job as a bartender on the weekends.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Geez.

No justice in the world.

Gotta brutha with an IQ of 160 WHO CAN SKI

but the dude CANT MOONLIGHT.?????????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


160 IQ....dude can ski....butcha cant moonlight.....

"UHHHH, SUPAH, I NEED A SLOW-GIN-FIZZZZZ."

"SHAKIN', NOT STIRRED."

HAHA.......uhhhhhh....now gettin' kinda pissed since my boy Supah with da IQ of 160 has to make drinks for extra cash because his chairman is unreasonable....
 
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