Sexism
doesnt work like that lol
He also wrote:
doubt it was affirmative action tbh. It's just mimicking what is occurring in undergraduate institutions as well as high schools. I personally think this is a more broader issue with lack of male role models now, especially during youth.
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Scary times out here.
Men dominate power roles at most levels of society and even if one’s immediate environment growing up is not filled with men, abundant media certainly shows another story. And if these role models appear in uniervsity as you say, then aren’t all men medical school applicants sufficiently socialized since they all have to have attended university?
All I am saying is during schooling most of your superiors (teachers) are women in today's era. So some men without male role models at home don't have any exposure to dominate male roles models which is why most men probably do not enter college that much. The opportunity cost is way too high and it is not seen as "manly" anymore compared to a trade.
Shhhh! SPF is that way ->; we don't want to venture there.
My wife and I both do outpatient PCP work (I'm FM, she's IM). Our salaries are literally identical - both guarantee and then how they calculate productivity.
Funny, I thought he was saying that it would suck for his career to become considered a predominantly-female job, because then he'd be affected by our society's sexism and face some of the biases that women face in the workplace. Which, he's absolutely correct about. But please excuse me if my heart doesn't quite bleed for him and all other dudes who get sideswiped by the semi truck as it barrels down the road trying to T-bone us.
Or maybe he's worried about, as OrthoTrauma pointed out, the problems facing male OB/GYNs but expanding to other fields
Yah you're right, let's twist what was said until it sounds better, and not take the poster at face value when they literally give examples of what they're concerned about (nurses, teachers, etc).
... no
The funny thing is most women will request a female gyn. Not only that but during rotations male medical students are usually sent away. Honestly, the way I see it, if that is what gyn wants, let them have it. If any issues arise let them find out if male diversity is needed, if the field is fine without a decent portion of men then let it be that way. It's all about making that patient population comfortable. Personally I would never want to be involved in a specialty that doesn't enthusiastically want me to practice in it.
You mean like how he said that now a days if men go into teaching or nursing it's assumed there is something wrong with them?
Yes, literally that. I am more annoyed that "women's work" is seen as lesser (but we are expected to stick to those roles) than I am that some guys who do "womens' work" are looked down upon for choosing such a 'lesser' field. I'm more annoyed that if I were to do such work, it would be seen as normal, but a guy is considered to be 'settling' for doing it. I'm glad we're on the same page now, because yes those are EXACTLY the examples I was thinking of from his post that support my point!
I was thinking more that there might be a gender difference in the number/types of visits or procedures that doctors schedule
I don't think you quite get how men are viewed if they go into those fields.
That is not universal. When I was in residency, the OB group that we worked with hired a new male OB. This was actually the 5th job he'd applied to. The previous 4 all said they wanted a female physician.
And of the dozens of males that I’ve met and worked with in this field not one has expressed that issue to me, and I know several of them are very high in demand, even more so than the female counterparts. Geography and location can certainly play a role, and small sample sizes are not very helpful in creating the argument either way.
Gee, might the gender make up of attendings be representative of the gender make up of med school in the past?
I do get it. But where does it come from? It ultimately stems from the idea that there is no reason a man would choose 'womens work' unless there were an underlying motive/flaw.
I think that sometimes that's true (nursing) and sometimes its not (teaching).
I love that y'all only "somewhat" receive sufficient reimbursement apparently
You might think, but dig up numbers on current attendings on for example surgeons, urologists, plastic surgeons - any surgical specialty for that matter, and you'll find the percentage of males outweighs females in those fields in larger proportions than the class ratios of Males/Females for those graduating classes, with the exception of OBGYN. Males even in those years had traditionally gone into OBGYN in less than average proportions than female counterparts graduating.
