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Going out the night before with the residents and getting hammered.
I think an analogous situation is being too informal with residents. Or not having questions during Q&A.These days are sadly gone with virtual interviews. I miss it
Bad mouthing the specialty or making it known it’s your back up for a more competitive specialty.
Or talking down on Caribbean med schools and saying your European ( for profit) med school isn’t the same and that somehow you are better than the students at said Caribbean schools…to 3 Caribbean grads, one of whom is the chief resident.
True story… same person…
When asked "Do you have any questions about my program, life in our city or the transition to being a resident?" answering with a stoic "No"
I break out this question when the conversation is so awkward and painful that I need something to try and get the candidate to speak for longer than 3 seconds.
I don’t see what’s wrong with #1 or #3?Now that we are doing these virtual interviews, I have found looking at the background a telling activity.
---A gal from a wealth family doing the interview in a very opulent living-room.
---A guy doing the interview from his dorm room with dirty underwear draped over the chair.
---A gal that was supposed to live in Chicago suburbs but looking out the window behind her were mountains and pine trees. Also the time of the interview was night time in Chicago but the sun was shining wherever she was.
I don’t see what’s wrong with #1 or #3?
I’m interested in how you knew the underwear was dirty though!
Nothing wrong with #3, unless she explicitly said "I am calling from the Chicago suburbs right now". People travel, see family, etc.
I can see how some people might take anything the wrong way... but if someone interrupted their ski vacation just to discuss a job opportunity with me I'd probably take that as a sign of someone seriously interested in working with me.I might find it a little tone-deaf. It's a professional job interview. The interviewer is probably interviewing the candidate while they're at work in their office. Little bit disconnected to see the candidate looking like they're interviewing while on a ski vacation.
I can see how some people might take anything the wrong way... but if someone interrupted their ski vacation just to discuss a job opportunity with me I'd probably take that as a sign of someone seriously interested in working with me.
When I was in college, I knew a guy who did some sort of virtual interview at his computer in his room at his fraternity house. Being in the frat mindset, he decided only to put a dress shirt and suit coat on - no suit slacks - after all, why bother to put on the pants if you’re just sitting there? This all went great until the interviewer asked him a question about some documents that were in his bag across the room. Oops. For whatever reason, he didn’t turn off the camera and the interviewer watched this dude in a suit coat and boxers walk across his room to get his bag. He didn’t get the job…Had someone genuinely break out full blown crying when talking about their own mental health concerns... during a psychiatry interview... they also shared way too much and drank way too much at the dinner with residents the night before. Did not give us much faith that they would do well in the admittedly strenuous program.
More recently, again, a guy on video underdressed and with a dirty room in the background, and with the camera wayyyy too far from him, making him look tiny compared to his very messy room.
As a resident, I helped do interviews. One day two co-residents and myself were on the the elevator up to the IM department, ready to help lead the interview day. Suddenly two interviewees get on. One proceeds to tell the other that this is “just a backup” program for her - she doesn’t like the location, thinks the institution is weak, and on top of that she apparently doesn’t even really want to do IM but is applying just in case she doesn’t match something else. When we get off the elevator, she asks us how to get to the IM department…we point down the hall and tell her that’s where we’re going, as we’re IM residents. The look on her face was priceless.
Hah.As a resident, I helped do interviews. One day two co-residents and myself were on the the elevator up to the IM department, ready to help lead the interview day. Suddenly two interviewees get on. One proceeds to tell the other that this is “just a backup” program for her - she doesn’t like the location, thinks the institution is weak, and on top of that she apparently doesn’t even really want to do IM but is applying just in case she doesn’t match something else. When we get off the elevator, she asks us how to get to the IM department…we point down the hall and tell her that’s where we’re going, as we’re IM residents. The look on her face was priceless.
You're fine. That won't be held against you.I guess I got one from today. This was my top choice program.
I went to the in-person open house for this program a few weeks ago. During the open house they mentioned they didn’t want to know which applicants made it there since they did not want this event to impact the rank list.
During the interview, I was asked why this program was my top choice. I mentioned that the residents I met were really awesome and would love to be a part of the team that I saw at the open house. The interviewer, shocked at what I just mentioned, says “No! We’re not supposed to know that you attended it! You can’t say this!”
I apologized and said I hope we can scratch it off record. I was nervous, so I let it slip, but some programs really take these things seriously I guess.
Seems like your interviewer confused the logical rule "don't ask the candidate if they attended the event" with a bizarre "the candidate has no right to share that they attended the event".I guess I got one from today. This was my top choice program.
I went to the in-person open house for this program a few weeks ago. During the open house they mentioned they didn’t want to know which applicants made it there since they did not want this event to impact the rank list.
During the interview, I was asked why this program was my top choice. I mentioned that the residents I met were really awesome and would love to be a part of the team that I saw at the open house. The interviewer, shocked at what I just mentioned, says “No! We’re not supposed to know that you attended it! You can’t say this!”
I apologized and said I hope we can scratch it off record. I was nervous, so I let it slip, but some programs really take these things seriously I guess.
I once committed some sort of faux pas like this - I was at an IM interview at a very good community program. (I had applied to a wide variety of programs, community and university, and this one was in a location I wanted to go to.)Hah.
One time I was talking to a co-applicant about how my local Cards program wasn’t super intense (it wasn’t) but was still good training if you wanted to do community practice (I still think that but I’m not Cards so wtf do I know)… well turned out one of the fellows overheard me and had a sister who was a Cards fellow at my program.
I felt like he took it the wrong way as if I was talking it down or something. I did not get ranked by that program.
I ended up somewhere I’m happier at anyway but I will always wonder if I offended that dude on accident!
That’s really stupid. Also, rest assured that they probably recognized some faces and knew that at least some applicants went to the open house…I guess I got one from today. This was my top choice program.
I went to the in-person open house for this program a few weeks ago. During the open house they mentioned they didn’t want to know which applicants made it there since they did not want this event to impact the rank list.
During the interview, I was asked why this program was my top choice. I mentioned that the residents I met were really awesome and would love to be a part of the team that I saw at the open house. The interviewer, shocked at what I just mentioned, says “No! We’re not supposed to know that you attended it! You can’t say this!”
I apologized and said I hope we can scratch it off record. I was nervous, so I let it slip, but some programs really take these things seriously I guess.
What field was this for?How about a fellow applicant machine gunning one Q after another during the residents Q/A without letting the other applicants ask their Qs? Gunners gonna 🔫.
That's funny, I just posted basically the same thing in the other similar thread before I saw your post.Had someone genuinely break out full blown crying when talking about their own mental health concerns... during a psychiatry interview... they also shared way too much and drank way too much at the dinner with residents the night before. Did not give us much faith that they would do well in the admittedly strenuous program.
More recently, again, a guy on video underdressed and with a dirty room in the background, and with the camera wayyyy too far from him, making him look tiny compared to his very messy room.
Funny? You want funny, here you go then:
Things to avoid:
Talking too much
Talking too little
Talking
Looking like you want to talk
Looking like you don't want to talk
As someone who did these interviews at a "high powered" specialty in a top 10 place, I have to say, its basically utter nonsense. We know your hard stuff (scores, pubs, refs) and have already "graded you." You can either F these up, be vanilla, or in rare cases, be charming.
Of course, its the charming ones that end up (roll dice.. 1 in 3 chance) being absolute program nightmares (sociopaths). Or chairman.
Anyway, good luck out there.
I was once in an interview and when I stood up to shake their hand at the end I looked down and noticed they had already filled out the evaluation sheet before I sat down… like yo why you asking me all about my research when you already decided it wasn’t very impressive?Funny? You want funny, here you go then:
Things to avoid:
Talking too much
Talking too little
Talking
Looking like you want to talk
Looking like you don't want to talk
As someone who did these interviews at a "high powered" specialty in a top 10 place, I have to say, its basically utter nonsense. We know your hard stuff (scores, pubs, refs) and have already "graded you." You can either F these up, be vanilla, or in rare cases, be charming.
Something like this happened when I interviewed at my rheum fellowship.I was once in an interview and when I stood up to shake their hand at the end I looked down and noticed they had already filled out the evaluation sheet before I sat down… like yo why you asking me all about my research when you already decided it wasn’t very impressive?
Had a similar story. Had a Euro-trained MD who'd done some urology training, came to the US and re-did training as a DO but was now applying for diagnostic radiology. Spent most of his interview talking about his urology interests.... and then the kicker "I looked up your department chairman's CV and she doesn't look qualified for the position". me: (bro.................) "thank you for your time".
As for the original question: drifting off-topic can be dangerous. Keep the interview about you or the program as best you can. I would also discourage strongly negative opinion answers. E.g. "why are you applying here" should not be met with "cuz my home program sucks at XYZ". Try to frame your responses in a positive manner "i am looking for XYZ attributes and your program has them".
Now that we are doing these virtual interviews, I have found looking at the background a telling activity.
---A gal from a wealth family doing the interview in a very opulent living-room.
---A guy doing the interview from his dorm room with dirty underwear draped over the chair.
---A gal that was supposed to live in Chicago suburbs but looking out the window behind her were mountains and pine trees. Also the time of the interview was night time in Chicago but the sun was shining wherever she was.
In one of my former residencies, we were told by one of the residents that literally one of the interviewers fell asleep during the interview. how's that possible?Had someone genuinely break out full blown crying when talking about their own mental health concerns... during a psychiatry interview... they also shared way too much and drank way too much at the dinner with residents the night before. Did not give us much faith that they would do well in the admittedly strenuous program.
More recently, again, a guy on video underdressed and with a dirty room in the background, and with the camera wayyyy too far from him, making him look tiny compared to his very messy room.
I always read that question as a chance to prove that you know something, anything at all about the program.I always hated this question - why are you applying here? Because it's residency and it's a numbers game!! Most programs know that residents need to match and the they apply widely particularly in competitive specialties. When I first applied Rads I applied to an unwholesome number of programs - did I want to end up in some of them? No. but not matching was not an option. So why make residents feel awkward about this?
What field was this for? I guess surgery?I often keep it fairly relaxed during interviews, more so I can assess their personality and gauge whether they'll be a good fit for the program. Had good rapport with one candidate and we found common ground on some topics. Was going to rank him but midway through the interview, he started calling me "man" and telling me "you gotta take me now". I'm not a stickler for ceremony at all but found that quite off-putting given the setting.
Nope, IM.What field was this for? I guess surgery?
Male applicant with a jacket, open collared shirt, and NO tie. Uncertain whether lack of a tie killed his chances.
why would a tie be so important for a job? how many male doctors actually wear a tie these days when seeing patients?interestingly at my last job interview, i forgot a tie. couldn't find a store selling ties before 8am and just rolled: suit, open collar, no tie. got the job offer anyway and started there a few months ago.
It’s more about if you’re too clueless to know you should be wearing a tie, IMOwhy would a tie be so important for a job? how many male doctors actually wear a tie these days when seeing patients?
why would a tie be so important for a job? how many male doctors actually wear a tie these days when seeing patients?
I always hated this question - why are you applying here? Because it's residency and it's a numbers game!! Most programs know that residents need to match and the they apply widely particularly in competitive specialties. When I first applied Rads I applied to an unwholesome number of programs - did I want to end up in some of them? No. but not matching was not an option. So why make residents feel awkward about this?