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[WildZoo]

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Why is Dolphin so high!? SO HIGH!

Why is PSV so low!? Why is speechy so low!?

See my response to PSV

Because I'm uncomfortable with some things about her d1 play and also don't fully believe she'd be above killing paws for sussing her, but overall feel like she's not playing the same as she did last game.

So on a macro read level, she's village, but on a micro level, there are some things bothering me that keep me from moving her more green.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

don't fully believe she'd be above killing paws for sussing her

Ouch

 

[WildZoo]

See my response to PSV

Because I'm uncomfortable with some things about her d1 play and also don't fully believe she'd be above killing paws for sussing her, but overall feel like she's not playing the same as she did last game.

So on a macro read level, she's village, but on a micro level, there are some things bothering me that keep me from moving her more green.

I realized I should have clarified who I was talking about where...

The first line is about dolphin, the rest is about PSV

 

[Zenge142]

See my response to PSV

Because I'm uncomfortable with some things about her d1 play and also don't fully believe she'd be above killing paws for sussing her, but overall feel like she's not playing the same as she did last game.

So on a macro read level, she's village, but on a micro level, there are some things bothering me that keep me from moving her more green.

You had true a bit higher though. Do you believe he is above killing Paws?

 

[Zenge142]

I realized I should have clarified who I was talking about where...

The first line is about dolphin, the rest is about PSV

I understood that reference.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Barks (2) - shorty, True
Vis (2) - dubz, Barks
sunshine (1) - PSV
mayo (1) - Vis

6/13
yeet close in ~5.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Ouch

as I said before, I don't really consider it a bad move to silence a dissenter. I usually play things a bit more risky but that doesn't always work out well.

 

[WildZoo]

You had true a bit higher though. Do you believe he is above killing Paws?

No, I just don't have the same misgivings from the rest of his play that I have from PSV's

 

[potentialsheltervet]

No, I just don't have the same misgivings from the rest of his play that I have from PSV's

Can you clarify those misgivings?

 

[WildZoo]

Can you clarify those misgivings?

I mean I think I referred to them at the time. The stretchy stuff with your barks read, but then voting for please instead when you'd talked about barks much more. Also felt a little uneasy with your focus on the interactions with your sister and also with the statement you made about early pushes on you, but been going back and forth on how I read those.

I'm a little curious why there's so much concern about you being on the village side of neutral.

 

[Viscernable]

@Viscernable can you explain your Zenge read?

There have been some posts which I’ve replied to that felt off, kind of seeming less truly engaged in wolfhunting and more like trying to imitate his village “oh I’m waiting on some specific event to trigger my 4D wolf trap” without actually doing that. But then there are are times I’m like “he’s so relaxedly sketchy that he must be village”.

 

[supershorty]

There have been some posts which I’ve replied to that felt off, kind of seeming less truly engaged in wolfhunting and more like trying to imitate his village “oh I’m waiting on some specific event to trigger my 4D wolf trap” without actually doing that. But then there are are times I’m like “he’s so relaxedly sketchy that he must be village”.

Now that it's been revealed what he was waiting for, how do you feel about those posts?

 

[WildZoo]

There have been some posts which I’ve replied to that felt off, kind of seeming less truly engaged in wolfhunting and more like trying to imitate his village “oh I’m waiting on some specific event to trigger my 4D wolf trap” without actually doing that. But then there are are times I’m like “he’s so relaxedly sketchy that he must be village”.

I can't recall faking 4D chess as part of his wolf meta...

 

[Zenge142]

“he’s so relaxedly sketchy that he must be village”.

Spoiler

 

[supershorty]

Search function is being very fussy today.

Unyeet Barky

I'm mulling over how I feel about Vis.

 

[Viscernable]

I agree with a lot of this. Why is Barks so high into your neutrals though?

Why is Cray so low?

Amount of participation. People are in that category by default, basically no specific village or wolf points, but that’s saying much more for the player if they’ve actually been here and apparently contributing than if they’ve been pretty absent.

Cray for reasons I have stated. I feel better about her recent catchup.

 

[Viscernable]

Does everyone who has me in their village leans have me there because of the Paws kill? I'm getting twitchy about how much I've seen my name in that range.

Pretty much just that for me, which is why you’re at bottom of village leans.

 

[supershorty]

The crux of the issue that I'm hung up on right now is that I usually feel like Vis has a tonal difference that I can pick up on when she's village vs wolf, and I'm not sure that I'm really getting that here one way or the other. I went back and looked at Choose Your Own II, which might be the last game I played with village!Vis, to see what kinds of things I'd said about her in the ISO I did there. The main thing that I kept coming back to, that ultimately pushed her villagey for me, was that I felt like she was making a fair amount of arguments that were stretchy, and they were on points that were weak enough that I couldn't see a wolf choosing to do that - it felt more like a villager going after something.

In Casino, which is the most recent wolf game I played with her, there was somewhat of a tonal difference that I'm not sure how to articulate, and her pushes were a little different. She's historically been less stretchy as a wolf, and that's where I'm getting a little hung up trying to decide how I feel about her in this game - because I have felt like some of her posts have been stretchy (particularly some of her ones about Cray), but it's not as in-your-face as village!Vis was in CYO II. But I'm wavering on whether I feel like there's enough to push me to voting her.

 

[Viscernable]

I felt dolphin's reaction to me voting for her d1 (recalling a game where we wolfed together and joking about it) seemed like it came from a village mindset. Here and there other posts have just struck me as village!dolphin. The fact that Paws seemed to think she's okay too helps.

This does help, I’ve been confused on the basis of any dolphin village reads at this point. Is there anything you look for in dolphin’s meta?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Barks (1) - True
Vis (2) - dubz, Barks
sunshine (1) - PSV
mayo (1) - Vis

5/13
yeet close in ~5.25 hours

 

[WildZoo]

This does help, I’ve been confused on the basis of any dolphin village reads at this point. Is there anything you look for in dolphin’s meta?

Not that I can fully articulate.

It's kind of...

Tone

 

[Viscernable]

But I'm wavering on whether I feel like there's enough to push me to voting her.

How does “I’m not sure if Vis stretchy enough for me to confidently read Vis village” equate to “I’m on the precipice of booting Vis off the mountaintop”

 

[kaydubs]

I must say, all this tone talk. What a wild WWorld we are in….

 

[supershorty]

How does “I’m not sure if Vis stretchy enough for me to confidently read Vis village” equate to “I’m on the precipice of booting Vis off the mountaintop”

Because tonally, I think you're closer to Casino than to CYO, and I'm trying to decide how I feel about that.

 

[WildZoo]

First five posters, so I don’t forget to check after the game if the rule held.

Why did you decide to post this?

 

[Viscernable]

Now that it's been revealed what he was waiting for, how do you feel about those posts?

Underwhelmed, I don’t see why he needed to wait to post things pretty unrelated to that specific question. It’s a fair thing for village!Z to want to look for, but the amount of holding didn’t seem necessary

 

[Viscernable]

Why did you decide to post this?

Because I was curious about the first 5 posters due to the rule

 

[supershorty]

Underwhelmed, I don’t see why he needed to wait to post things pretty unrelated to that specific question. It’s a fair thing for village!Z to want to look for, but the amount of holding didn’t seem necessary

Hm.

 

[Viscernable]

I can't recall faking 4D chess as part of his wolf meta...

Does wolf!Z act exactly the same every game?

 

[WildZoo]

Does wolf!Z act exactly the same every game?

I don't know, I've only been village when he was wolfing twice (I think?) and the first time was a long time ago. It's just not something I recall him doing, nor do I feel like this would be a good example given his reaction to me spilling the beans.

 

[WildZoo]

Because I was curious about the first 5 posters due to the rule

But why post it now (or when you did) rather than just checking at the end of the game?

It just stuck out to me because I don't remember you ever really talking about the lupin rule previously? Maybe I'm forgetting.

 

[Viscernable]

I don’t know why I decided to play this game again when every game it’s just “Vis is making stupid bad arguments. Always happens but I think they’re stupider than usual so vote Vis anyways” or “Vis is making stupid bad arguments, but they’re not stupid enough for village Vis so vote Vis anyways”

 

[WildZoo]

Underwhelmed, I don’t see why he needed to wait to post things pretty unrelated to that specific question. It’s a fair thing for village!Z to want to look for, but the amount of holding didn’t seem necessary

What unrelated things do you mean?

 

[Viscernable]

But why post it now (or when you did) rather than just checking at the end of the game?

It just stuck out to me because I don't remember you ever really talking about the lupin rule previously? Maybe I'm forgetting.

Because I am currently looking for wolves, not at the end of the game.

 

[WildZoo]

Because I am currently looking for wolves, not at the end of the game.

So you're using it for wolfhunting?

 

[supershorty]

Because I am currently looking for wolves, not at the end of the game.

Would you actually use Lupin's rule to try to find a wolf, though?

 

[supershorty]

DAMMIT DUBZ

 

[WildZoo]

Spoiler: NINJA

 

[Viscernable]

Would you actually use Lupin's rule to try to find a wolf, though?

Not strongly. It’s a point of idle curiosity.

 

[supershorty]

Because I am currently looking for wolves, not at the end of the game.

Not strongly. It’s a point of idle curiosity.

So you are using it for wolf hunting? Or are you not?
And if you are, why, when there are plenty of games you can point to where it wasn't met? Most recently MarWWel.

 

[Viscernable]

What unrelated things do you mean?

Reads in general

@Zenge142 @WildZoo I'd love to hear reads from you both since you're here.

I know it does. It hasn’t left my mind, but we have a wee bit of time and I’m waiting to see if something happens…

 

[Viscernable]

So you are using it for wolf hunting? Or are you not?
And if you are, why, when there are plenty of games you can point to where it wasn't met? Most recently MarWWel.

Like, 0.00005 of a point of consideration?

 

[Viscernable]

when there are plenty of games you can point to where it wasn't met

I don’t really see how that’s relevant, since there are no rules of “wolves always do this” that are always true. I think the rule of there being more likely for a wolf to post in the first five posts being more likely than random chance is valid because wolves are often more motivated straight out of the gate to make a good entrance vs villagers feeling more lost and aimless D1

 

[Zenge142]

Does wolf!Z act exactly the same every game?

Usually I vote earlier than an hour before yet close of D1.

 

[WildZoo]

Usually I vote earlier than an hour before yet close of D1.

U s u a l l y

 

[Zenge142]

Usually I vote earlier than an hour before yeet close of D1.

 

[supershorty]

I don’t really see how that’s relevant, since there are no rules of “wolves always do this” that are always true. I think the rule of there being more likely for a wolf to post in the first five posts being more likely than random chance is valid because wolves are often more motivated straight out of the gate to make a good entrance vs villagers feeling more lost and aimless D1

I guess, but I wouldn't ever use it for any sort of wolf hunting, tiny percentage or otherwise. There's too many games where it's not the case.

 

[WildZoo]

I think games that open the next day vs game thread opening right after roles are sent out are less likely to follow the pattern because it's easier to forget the game is starting.

But idk if the data backs that up. Just something that crossed my mind.

Also probably isn't important.

 

[supershorty]

I think I'm going to base my thoughts off of participation and the tone of the posts. If you ask me to justify any of these, I probably won't be able to give you a great answer but I can try. Mostly it's just feelings and tone.

Maybe Village:
Truenamer
PSV
Me
genny
Crayola227

Not Sure:
WildZoo
Barkley13
sunshinefl
supershorty
dolphin 106258

Maybe Goon:
Viscernable
holdthemayo
Zenge142

Sorry it took so long! I went back through and looked at quotes from everyone to get an overall vibe.

I know you hedged a bit at the beginning with this, but I'm going to ask you some questions anyway.

Why is sunny above me?
Why is dolphin 1 step above the POE?
Why is Zenge your wolfiest read?

 

[supershorty]

I don’t know why I decided to play this game again when every game it’s just “Vis is making stupid bad arguments. Always happens but I think they’re stupider than usual so vote Vis anyways” or “Vis is making stupid bad arguments, but they’re not stupid enough for village Vis so vote Vis anyways”

This is reminding me of a game where Vis was yeeted, but I can't remember if it was BoWWnty Hunting or if it was a game where she was actually village getting misyeeted. I've not seen wolf!Vis use AtE like this.