Moving from OR Anesthesia to Pain

[cowboydoc]

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so do you really think that teachers would be better off without unions and union protection?


yes, there are problems with unions. but one can cogently argue that workers are better off with unions.


and teachers are not required to join a union.

but enough must find benefit to keep these unions in existence, right?

after all, 95% of NY teachers, 93% of California, but 0.3% of Florida and Texas teachers are in a union.




of note, average salary of Florida teachers is $51K, Texas $59K.


for New York, its $92k and California $87K.

Teacher Pay By State 2025

www.datapandas.org

I think teachers should be free to join unions, and I also think oversight of schools should remain more local. I see my state as having 3 types of school districts: urban, suburban and sparsely populated rural areas. The Urban districts struggle in ways similar to most urban areas nationwide. Our suburban schools are rated some of the best in the country. The rural schools are expensive to run because kids travel up to 30-45 miles to a school and there may only be ~15 kids/grade. One size wouldn't fit the conditions of these 3 distinct district types. To think "experts" in DC know what's best for each district is insanity. Likewise, a national union isn't able to advocate what is best for a diverse workforce, even if there weren't significant corruption and special interests.

I don't think federal redistribution of funds is efficient or useful. Local engagement is essential for solid performing schools, regardless of funds. Burning more money at poorly performing schools doesn't heat the building, let alone improve performance.

Your graph proves my point on salary. While skewed on the coasts with better teacher pay and poorer physician pay, in the Midwest I am making about 10x what the average teacher is.

Yes, I realize this could leave some districts behind. No, I don't think leveling taxes locally instead of federally for education would cause nearly the disparity some think it would. This would increase innovation and decrease waste.

 

[drusso]

yes, i digressed without commenting on this statement.


werent you the one advocating for doctor's union?

union for me, but not for thee?

As currently conceived, physicians' unions can't directly negotiate for pay-only working conditions, not unlike the Screen Actors Guild. Leading roles and walk-ons aren't paid the same rate, but all actors get the same rights.

 

[Ducttape]

I think teachers should be free to join unions, and I also think oversight of schools should remain more local. I see my state as having 3 types of school districts: urban, suburban and sparsely populated rural areas. The Urban districts struggle in ways similar to most urban areas nationwide. Our suburban schools are rated some of the best in the country. The rural schools are expensive to run because kids travel up to 30-45 miles to a school and there may only be ~15 kids/grade. One size wouldn't fit the conditions of these 3 distinct district types. To think "experts" in DC know what's best for each district is insanity. Likewise, a national union isn't able to advocate what is best for a diverse workforce, even if there weren't significant corruption and special interests.

I don't think federal redistribution of funds is efficient or useful. Local engagement is essential for solid performing schools, regardless of funds. Burning more money at poorly performing schools doesn't heat the building, let alone improve performance.

Your graph proves my point on salary. While skewed on the coasts with better teacher pay and poorer physician pay, in the Midwest I am making about 10x what the average teacher is.

Yes, I realize this could leave some districts behind. No, I don't think leveling taxes locally instead of federally for education would cause nearly the disparity some think it would. This would increase innovation and decrease waste.

yet they are not. please explain how you think the DOE works. they are not making policy regarding curriculum. oversight of schools is local. what specific oversight do you think the DOE is doing outside of finances and protection rights?

if there were no federal distribution of funds, then those rural districts would essentially have no funds because there is no tax base to tax. you yourself mentioned that the rural schools are expensive to fund, increasing the burden on them. the other option is to give up entirely on rural communities or bus those students to districts with good tax bases - if they are taxed.

Federal Role in Education

This page discusses the role of the U.S. Department, providing a brief history of the Department as well as a descrption of the Department's mission and staffing.

www.ed.gov

Education is primarily a State and local responsibility in the United States. It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role.

 

[cowboydoc]

yet they are not. please explain how you think the DOE works. they are not making policy regarding curriculum. oversight of schools is local. what specific oversight do you think the DOE is doing outside of finances and protection rights?

if there were no federal distribution of funds, then those rural districts would essentially have no funds because there is no tax base to tax. you yourself mentioned that the rural schools are expensive to fund, increasing the burden on them. the other option is to give up entirely on rural communities or bus those students to districts with good tax bases - if they are taxed.

Federal Role in Education

This page discusses the role of the U.S. Department, providing a brief history of the Department as well as a descrption of the Department's mission and staffing.

www.ed.gov

Right. The DOE doesn’t do much. 92% is funded locally (non-federal $) according to your source. Let the states figure it out for themselves. Some of the funding would likely need to come from something besides local property taxes. States each tax how they see fit, one size doesn’t fit all.

 

[SSdoc33]

Right. The DOE doesn’t do much. 92% is funded locally (non-federal $) according to your source. Let the states figure it out for themselves. Some of the funding would likely need to come from something besides local property taxes. States each tax how they see fit, one size doesn’t fit all.

but OF that 8%, a higher percentage goes to schools who dont have the funding (indigent, rural, etc)

 

[SSdoc33]

this is interesting.

honestly not sure if i am for or against this.

do US citizens have an obligation to pay for the schooling of illegal immigrants? the next logical step is to discuss finding for medical care for the undocumented.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/oklahoma-school-students-immigration-proof/index.html

 

[cowboydoc]

this is interesting.

honestly not sure if i am for or against this.

do US citizens have an obligation to pay for the schooling of illegal immigrants? the next logical step is to discuss finding for medical care for the undocumented.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/28/us/oklahoma-school-students-immigration-proof/index.html

I don’t know, but I wouldn’t support a legal obligation to educate any and all. Much of the added expenses in urban schools revolve around catering to numerous languages.

OTOH, I’d fully support my community educating all in the area, as the natural consequences of these kids being present and not integrating would be highly problematic.

Increased social services is all the more reason to patrol the border and have order to who is coming and going.

One advantage of going to pain rather than anesthesia is more autonomy over who you treat…