MPH, will it help?

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So I'm currently doing my MPH @ Benedictine University. It's non-CEPH accredited and I've been trying to get opinions on if it will help or not getting into DO schools. I really think it could help in the whole "holistic" medicine aspect of DO schools and it could really help in interviews. I'm doing the program because the material is interesting but what do you guys (and girls) think?
 
This totally depends what else you have on your application. It wont hurt, but it wont make up for a low gpa or mcat or lack of clinical experience. So, we need more info.
 
25R on the MCAT 9 BS / 8 PS / 8 VR

3.1 cGPA, 3.0 sGPA, strong upward trend from Freshman year on.

Some EC, great LORs. A ton of work experience. Going to probably get some LOR's from my MPH professors also.
 
25R on the MCAT 9 BS / 8 PS / 8 VR

3.1 cGPA, 3.0 sGPA, strong upward trend from Freshman year on.

Some EC, great LORs. A ton of work experience. Going to probably get some LOR's from my MPH professors also.

I think you should try to bring your MCAT up a lil more.
Your GPAs are a little on the low side in comparison to the avg. D.O. applicant, I think. But you've definetly got a shot.

I don't know if the MPH will help, but it most certainly won't hurt, especially if you've got a stellar GPA in your program and procure awesome LOR's.
 
So I'm in the same situation as you right now, and honestly the biggest problem you're gonna face is that your MPH isn't accredited (other than your numbers). I know some schools will not even look at non-accredited degrees at all...so just another thing to be mindful of.

So I'm currently doing my MPH @ Benedictine University. It's non-CEPH accredited and I've been trying to get opinions on if it will help or not getting into DO schools. I really think it could help in the whole "holistic" medicine aspect of DO schools and it could really help in interviews. I'm doing the program because the material is interesting but what do you guys (and girls) think?
 
I am currently in my second year getting an MPH from Drexel University (an accredited school). I feel that it has been tremendously helpful in getting my foot in the door.

My undergrad GPA is 3.05 but my grad GPA is 3.87. Everything that the previous people have said about grades is correct, my grad GPA didn't help my science or cumulative GPA from undergrad but having a graduate degree certainly helps you stand out. I have not had specific questions about my MPH in my interviews so far but I have been able to draw upon my experiences in answering questions and I talked about it quite a bit when answering questions. A lot of the philosophies run parallel to the osteopathic philosophy and the DO I have shadowed told me that an MPH was definitely helpful to my chances during the application cycle and my future career.

I have 3 acceptances and a waitlist so far and I attribute much of this to my MPH.
 
So I'm currently doing my MPH @ Benedictine University. It's non-CEPH accredited and I've been trying to get opinions on if it will help or not getting into DO schools. I really think it could help in the whole "holistic" medicine aspect of DO schools and it could really help in interviews. I'm doing the program because the material is interesting but what do you guys (and girls) think?


I actually did that program myself. I have to do the internship this summer between 1 and 2 to finish it.

That program will allow you to communicate health care in your interview so much better than your peers. It will give you such a deeper understanding of the profession you are entering. It will provide a framework of knowledge to which medical school will add. You'll cover things in class that you covered in the various classes. For instance, we just went over radiation exposure in Southern Nevada and in general in dealing with the Thyroid. Much of what was covered I have already gone through in the Environmental Health class. I could have not shown up nor studied for one of the classes we had called intro to humanistic medicine and still got an A because that class goes over so much of things in an MPH program, but the depth of knowledge from the degree is so much more than that class.

My MPH has done NOTHING for the Science aspect of one of the classes. It'll help you in your confidence, but it won't help you in your anatomy lab. It was expensive.

The lack of the national accreditation will only matter to people who give a crap about that. There are a few. The regional accreditation is all that matters for you to earn the MPH degree. Interestingly enough, both of the Masters Degree Programs from Nevada Universities are only regionally accredited as well.

Would I do it again? Absolutely. By postponing my internship to during medical school, I think I have opened up more opportunities for that internship by being a medical student as well.
 
So I'm currently doing my MPH @ Benedictine University. It's non-CEPH accredited and I've been trying to get opinions on if it will help or not getting into DO schools. I really think it could help in the whole "holistic" medicine aspect of DO schools and it could really help in interviews. I'm doing the program because the material is interesting but what do you guys (and girls) think?


Also, the school is accredited. Just not by the National entity.
 
OP,

I have similar stats as you and have had interviews at both DO and MD programs, including one acceptance so far (haven't heard back from the other programs yet). I did a Master's in Physiology after having similar numbers as you at a Top 25 undergrad, and my MCAT was average. As other replies have said, the MPH won't make up for a low science GPA but it will give you a unique perspective on the health care system and talking points that may very well push you over the edge (in a good way) at your interview. The only thing I would suggest is to maybe take a few upper-division or graduate level science courses along with your MPH coursework to show that you can handle the rigors of the subject but also balance it with your other graduate studies. Best of luck! We need more physicians with public health backgrounds/perspectives!
 
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Benedictine is a nationally accredited university with a decent reputation (not to mention the second-largest MPH program in Illinois, or so they claim).

From what I gather, MPH programs don't usually go for CEPH accreditation unless the university has a separate school of public health (which Benedictine does not)... something like a third of the MPH programs in the country are not CEPH accredited, or so I was told when I queried the med-geeks I work with (I am no expert on such things, just passing on what I heard).

So it doesn't sound like a huge deal unless you are going to do something with the MPH after you get your MD.

In the interest of full disclosure, I got my MS at Benedictine and enjoyed the experience.

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I finished the MPH at Benedictine a few weeks ago. The experience is all of what you make it and I must say that I learned a lot. At the end of the day, I don't think the regional/national accreditation status matters much. I say that because I had an excellent internship experience and this will look great on my applications as well as my resume. I completed my internship at the U.S. Department of Health, Health Resources Services Administration (HRSA), HIV/AIDS Bureau. I received valuable experience and had the opportunity to meet the Secretary of DHHS and work with the Asst Administrator, Deputy Director of the Bureau, Branch Chiefs and members of the Public Health Service. While this experience or degree may not boost my GPA, it will prove for valuable work experience and can't hurt in the interview process.

Like you my MCAT score sucks 23Q and I probably shouldnt have taken it when I did but you live and you learn. 3.6 cGPA, 3.1 sGPA, alot of work experience and volunteer work. I'm looking to strengthen my MCAT tremendously this yr, especially since Im done with the MPH.

Bottom Line: Never give up on your dreams or doubt yourself! Just work hard and Im sure you'll get in somewhere when the time is right ... Good Luck 🙂
 
I absolutely understand and agree that you are going to be given some unique opportunities and learning experiences with an MPH regardless of accreditation. My point is just that it may not give you an actual advantage on your application (it may not count at all actually at some institutions). Sure it will give you an additional perspective and some interview talking points. Again, national accreditation is a much bigger deal than I think this forum is letting on. For example, you cannot even apply for PhD public health programs if you do not have a nationally accredited MPH. Again, is it valuable, perhaps. Will medical schools give it significant weight, some will, some will not.


Benedictine is a nationally accredited university with a decent reputation (not to mention the second-largest MPH program in Illinois, or so they claim).

From what I gather, MPH programs don't usually go for CEPH accreditation unless the university has a separate school of public health (which Benedictine does not)... something like a third of the MPH programs in the country are not CEPH accredited, or so I was told when I queried the med-geeks I work with (I am no expert on such things, just passing on what I heard).

So it doesn't sound like a huge deal unless you are going to do something with the MPH after you get your MD.

In the interest of full disclosure, I got my MS at Benedictine and enjoyed the experience.

A
 
Have any of you done your MPH program while taking the pre-reqs at the same time? Is it possible?
 
I think you should try to bring your MCAT up a lil more.
Your GPAs are a little on the low side in comparison to the avg. D.O. applicant, I think. But you've definetly got a shot.

I don't know if the MPH will help, but it most certainly won't hurt, especially if you've got a stellar GPA in your program and procure awesome LOR's.

👍 to everything Postal said
 
powersr8810,

Do you mind if I ask what you got on your MCAT?? I have just about the same credentials...
 
powersr8810,

Do you mind if I ask what you got on your MCAT?? I have just about the same credentials...

30 MCAT

Also, one of my friends in my MPH program was doing some pre reqs (o chem, bio) and we didn't see him during that time. So its possible but reallllllly hard.
 
In one of my Pre-Med association meetings the head of the MPH program at MSU said that the Dean of MSUCOM would look highly upon applicants who also completed a MPH, or ones who didn't get in initially but then completed it. MSU offers an online MPH program. He also stated that the Dean of MSUCOM thought that all DOs should pursue MPH degrees.

Granted this was at a meeting around four months ago, but those were the specific things that stood out to me.
 
No offense but dont even get me started on some of the MPH programs out there like MSU's....It is a sad day when we say it is even acceptable to receive a professional degree like an MPH ONLINE!!!! It is NOT POSSIBLE to learn the skills necessary to be a healthcare practitioner from the internet...period. How to work with communities you are not a part of, create interventions, etc. are skills that can ONLY be learned through hours and hours of human to human contact. This makes me very worried about the future of certain health fields...but apparently only the letters after your name is what is important after all.

In one of my Pre-Med association meetings the head of the MPH program at MSU said that the Dean of MSUCOM would look highly upon applicants who also completed a MPH, or ones who didn't get in initially but then completed it. MSU offers an online MPH program. He also stated that the Dean of MSUCOM thought that all DOs should pursue MPH degrees.

Granted this was at a meeting around four months ago, but those were the specific things that stood out to me.
 
No offense but dont even get me started on some of the MPH programs out there like MSU's....It is a sad day when we say it is even acceptable to receive a professional degree like an MPH ONLINE!!!! It is NOT POSSIBLE to learn the skills necessary to be a healthcare practitioner from the internet...period. How to work with communities you are not a part of, create interventions, etc. are skills that can ONLY be learned through hours and hours of human to human contact. This makes me very worried about the future of certain health fields...but apparently only the letters after your name is what is important after all.

Just to clarify, since you make it sound like MSU's program in public health is strictly limited to the internet, there is a requirement of a 240 hour practicum. No, it's not as many hours as some programs may require, but it's something. What I like about the program, is that it doesn't sacrifice quality of education and it allows for flexibility. The practicum can be either done during residency if you're doing a dual program, or anywhere in MI as well as international sites offered by MSU. The program is not, however, CEPH accredited.

So far, the majority of the courses I have taken through this program require constant interaction between students via discussion forums and it provides the opportunity to learn from each others' experiences in addition to what is otherwise learned in lecture and through readings. I've personally found much of the information acquired, opinions heard, and experiences shared, to be valuable and applicable to the work I do now (I work with a very diverse population of individuals with TBI/ABI's at a rehab facility in metro Detroit). No offense, but I don't think you should negatively comment on a legitimate program as being "unacceptable" without familiarizing yourself with its intricacies first. If you don't know about the program and the quality of its content or even its requirements, then tactfully ask questions--don't automatically condemn it.

Programs like this allow people who are very interested in population health to immerse themselves in it when they otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to for a wide range of variables in their lives (work or school schedule, kids, lacking transportation, finances, etc). I firmly believe that what I am getting out of this program will make me a better, well rounded DO.
 
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So I may not have gone into great depth about the details of the program but I actually do know the program very well. And yes, it requires a 240 hour practicum, but all MPH programs that are accredited require an internship IN ADDITION TO COURSE WORK!!!!! We gain hands on experience during our coursework as well, which your program does not provide you. I'm not going to debate the merits of online education with you, it is not worth it. It is not an adequate way to gain a public health education, though it may be more appropriate for other forms of education. MPH programs are great for all medical professionals, but an MPH is more than theory you learned from the internet. It is based on practical skills which can only be gained through hands on experience (regardless of different learning styles), and 240 hours for a masters degree is rather minimal. My point is that if you want to put the MONEY and ENERGY into a masters program, you might as well do it in a way to get as much out of as you can, and that is NOT through an online program. If it is the choice between an online program (which is not accredited nationally) and no MPH at all, then that is a personal decision for you to make depending on whether or not you think it is worth the investment. But to say that these programs adequately provide you with the skills necessary to be a PH practitioner is naive and offensive.

Just to clarify, since you make it sound like MSU's program in public health is strictly limited to the internet, there is a requirement of a 240 hour practicum. No, it's not as many hours as some programs may require, but it's something. What I like about the program, is that it doesn't sacrifice quality of education and it allows for flexibility. The practicum can be either done during residency if you're doing a dual program, or anywhere in MI as well as international sites offered by MSU. The program is not, however, CEPH accredited.

So far, the majority of the courses I have taken through this program require constant interaction between students via discussion forums and it provides the opportunity to learn from each others' experiences in addition to what is otherwise learned in lecture and through readings. I've personally found much of the information acquired, opinions heard, and experiences shared, to be valuable and applicable to the work I do now (I work with a very diverse population of individuals with TBI/ABI's at a rehab facility in metro Detroit). No offense, but I don't think you should negatively comment on a legitimate program as being "unacceptable" without familiarizing yourself with its intricacies first. If you don't know about the program and the quality of its content or even its requirements, then tactfully ask questions--don't automatically condemn it.

Programs like this allow people who are very interested in population health to immerse themselves in it when they otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity to for a wide range of variables in their lives (work or school schedule, kids, lacking transportation, finances, etc). I firmly believe that what I am getting out of this program will make me a better, well rounded DO.
 
So I may not have gone into great depth about the details of the program but I actually do know the program very well. And yes, it requires a 240 hour practicum, but all MPH programs that are accredited require an internship IN ADDITION TO COURSE WORK!!!!! We gain hands on experience during our coursework as well, which your program does not provide you. I'm not going to debate the merits of online education with you, it is not worth it. It is not an adequate way to gain a public health education, though it may be more appropriate for other forms of education. MPH programs are great for all medical professionals, but an MPH is more than theory you learned from the internet. It is based on practical skills which can only be gained through hands on experience (regardless of different learning styles), and 240 hours for a masters degree is rather minimal. My point is that if you want to put the MONEY and ENERGY into a masters program, you might as well do it in a way to get as much out of as you can, and that is NOT through an online program. If it is the choice between an online program (which is not accredited nationally) and no MPH at all, then that is a personal decision for you to make depending on whether or not you think it is worth the investment. But to say that these programs adequately provide you with the skills necessary to be a PH practitioner is naive and offensive.

Wow...I can see why at least one other poster in another recent thread referred to you as a troll.

You want to say things like "no offense, but [insert blatantly offensive comment here]..." and accuse me of being offensive simply because I said that I am finding my experience to be valuable--but then you also imply that the education I am getting is not worth the investment.

I have my fair share of reasons as to why I am doing this program. It's great you are getting the hands on experience that I wish I were able to at this moment, but the best I can currently do is apply what I learn to the work I do now while maintaining an relationship with my professors or other PH practitioners I know personally, so that I can pick their brains and get the most I can out of them. Unfortunately, I did not have the luxury of time or the finances to attend a traditional MPH school, which is what I had wanted to do--but things don't always work out. For now, I do what I can so that I can get as much as possible from what is available to me, and I'm finding it rewarding and enjoyable.

I'll be damned if I (or if anyone else) would allow someone like you to minimize what I find (or someone else finds) to be valuable or "worth the investment."

I know that I am gaining valuable insight from this; I don't need to prove that to you. Ultimately, your higher than thou (and offensive!) attitude is frankly not worth engaging. I just hope more students interested in gaining more PH insight, but unable for whatever reason to commit to a traditional PH school, are not deterred by inflammatory comments like yours.


Sidenote for Hopeful; you are definitely right that MSUCOM's Dean Strampel does appreciate students who go after an MPH. I've met with most of the advisors there while I was preparing to apply and several times it was suggested I get an MPH either before I matriculate med school or to do it concurrently (I have a BS in global health though so I'm not sure if that influenced the number of suggestions to do this 🙂).
 
Hell ya being Neil Patrick Harris would totally get you into medical sch... Oh wait you said MPH :shrug:
 
From what I have seen, most joint MD/DO/MPH programs go through unaccredited schools of public health. For the purposes of most future physicians this is likely to be sufficient. I think the biggest issue is that if you are going up against an equivalent person for the same job/residency the person with the accredited MPH may have a step up. This is assuming the person doing the hiring knows the difference which would probably happen more often than not in Gov jobs like CDC, HHS, etc. Long story short, accreditation is most important if you want a job specifically in public health. Plus, if you can save a year of paying for school than more power to ya! Two years of getting my MPH has been EXPENSIVE!
 
Benedictine University is regionally accredited by the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA).

Benedictine University ranks 43rd among more than 140 schools classified as “Best Universities – Master’s” in the Midwest, according to the 2009 figures released by US News & World Report 2009. Benedictine also ranks 11th amongst the top Midwest universities in “Racial Diversity.”

http://www.onlinedegrees-benedictine.com/about/regionally-accredited-university.asp
 
I doubt it. They saw it helps to show that you're really committed to medicine, well, I think reapplying, doing volunteering, research would have the same impact. At this point, with your MCAT and GPA, I think you may be in the lower end for acceptances to DO schools but realistically, looking overseas such as the Caribbean would not be a bad option, probably would save you 1-2 years of loans that you would have spent on that MPH, just my $0.02
 
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