msnbc degrading osteopathic docs

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/

"But while the cycle remains the same, something new is happening in the world of anti-aging. Mainstream doctors who once wanted nothing to do with the naturopaths, osteopaths and others who first populated modern anti-aging, and whom they often considered glorified carnival barkers, are buying in, signing up for “certification” as anti-aging practitioners and offering patients the promise of youth and rejuvenation through such treatments as human growth hormone, testosterone, special diet and exercise regimens, antioxidants and hundreds of other supplements."

 

[Jesus DO]

If you have the time, contact them or the AOA.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/

"But while the cycle remains the same, something new is happening in the world of anti-aging. Mainstream doctors who once wanted nothing to do with the naturopaths, osteopaths and others who first populated modern anti-aging, and whom they often considered glorified carnival barkers, are buying in, signing up for “certification” as anti-aging practitioners and offering patients the promise of youth and rejuvenation through such treatments as human growth hormone, testosterone, special diet and exercise regimens, antioxidants and hundreds of other supplements."

You know, it's funny because not too long ago they did an article on student debt and talked about students from the Chicago school. One guy was an anesthesiologist, and his wife was a pediatrician.

Now, they say we're charlatan and snake oil seller.

 

[butiwuvu]

Mainstream doctors who once wanted nothing to do with the naturopaths, osteopaths and others who first populated modern anti-aging, and whom they often considered glorified carnival barkers

That's not degrading DOs. It's degrading osteopaths - you know, "a therapist who manipulates the skeleton and muscles." Two different things.

I thought that was fairly clear from the article. 🙄

 

[JaggerPlate]

That's not degrading DOs. It's degrading osteopaths - you know, "a therapist who manipulates the skeleton and muscles." Two different things.

I thought that was fairly clear from the article. 🙄

I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic, but I actually agree. Osteopath is an outdated term, and really should only apply to those practicing pure manipulation. I mean, there are people out there who simply run manipulation clinics, a few who only do cranial. Had the article said 'DOs' or doctor's of osteopathic medicine, I could see that more than 'osteopath.' Stupid people write stupid things. I mean, they are only journalists ... is it really their jobs to dig up all the boring 'facts.'

 

[DiverDoc]

I cant stand the guy in the video. PUT YOUR DAMN GLASSES ON RIGHT, IT DOESNT MAKE YOU LOOK SMARTER.

 

[butiwuvu]

I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic, but I actually agree. Osteopath is an outdated term, and really should only apply to those practicing pure manipulation. I mean, there are people out there who simply run manipulation clinics, a few who only do cranial. Had the article said 'DOs' or doctor's of osteopathic medicine, I could see that more than 'osteopath.' Stupid people write stupid things. I mean, they are only journalists ... is it really their jobs to dig up all the boring 'facts.'

Not being sarcastic at all. The OP jumped to a "everyone hates DOs" conclusion a little too quickly. Time to turn down the sensitivity settings.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Not being sarcastic at all. The OP jumped to a "everyone hates DOs" conclusion a little too quickly. Time to turn down the sensitivity settings.

Okay good because I do agree.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I'm going to burn the MSNBC building to the ground.

 

[DrMidlife]

I'm going to burn the MSNBC building to the ground.

then throw the crooked-glasses guy's head in the river.

 

[igcgnerd]

then throw the crooked-glasses guy's head in the river.

and find a van down there and make him live in it.

 

[Eudjinn]

osteopath =/= osteopathic physician.

we are studying to be osteopathic physicians.

"According to the American Osteopathic Association, the difference between an osteopath and an osteopathic physician is often confused.[1] In the United States, Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.s) are fully licensed medical physicians and surgeons, practicing in all clinical specialties along with their M.D. colleagues. Just like M.D.s, D.O.s practice the full scope of medicine."

From Wikkipedia

I'm not offended by that, personally. They probably shouldn't have made an ambiguous statement, but do you really think they do their homework that well on what they write?

 

[DrWBD]

Not sure if anyone had noticed, but the two A4M physicians mentioned in the article, Robert Goldman and Ronald Klatz, are both DOs, graduates of the Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine.

They were also disciplined and fined for calling themselves "MD,DO" in Illinois - apparently they both obtained an "MD" degree from a school in Belize but were not licensed as MD's in the state.

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/klatz.html

It looks as though they're still using the dual degree on their website, however.

 

[theserbatron]

what i don't get is how these guys continue on with this business, when reprimands from the state only bring a bad name to qualified, competent DOs?
i'm rolling my eyes.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Not sure if anyone had noticed, but the two A4M physicians mentioned in the article, Robert Goldman and Ronald Klatz, are both DOs, graduates of the Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine.

They were also disciplined and fined for calling themselves "MD,DO" in Illinois - apparently they both obtained an "MD" degree from a school in Belize but were not licensed as MD's in the state.

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/klatz.html

It looks as though they're still using the dual degree on their website, however.

Eww. What hacks.

 

[SdRD]

Instead of e-mailing the AOA outraged over the article - which will only serve to perpetuate inflammatory posts on yet more bulletin boards, perhaps it would be more productive to e-mail MSNBC, as I did, pointing out that you want their readers in future to not be confused about osteopath and osteopathic physician.

 

[It'sElectric]

Instead of e-mailing the AOA outraged over the article - which will only serve to perpetuate inflammatory posts on yet more bulletin boards, perhaps it would be more productive to e-mail MSNBC, as I did, pointing out that you want their readers in future to not be confused about osteopath and osteopathic physician.

I would recommend emailing the AOA, outraged that those 2 quacks still hold licenses. What MSNBC did was harmless. These 2 scam artists are hurting us a great deal more than an article that casually mentions the word osteopath.

 

[DrWBD]

I would recommend emailing the AOA, outraged that those 2 quacks still hold licenses. What MSNBC did was harmless. These 2 scam artists are hurting us a great deal more than an article that casually mentions the word osteopath.

You seem to be under the impression that the AOA has a problem with quackery.

 

[GreenShirt]

Well, the first part of the bolded statement is true, MDs did once have a problem with DOs and NDs. The question is whether DOs promote anti-aging products more than MDs. I don't know what the data on this is, but if it isn't true it does imply DOs were quacks selling snake oil (most anti-aging products are this), which would be the only insulting part of this article. The use of the term "Osteopath" is a bit incorrect, but probably not worth flaming MSNBC.

 

[DragonWell]

Anybody checked out the top definition of "DO" on urban dictionary lately?


Warning - link may be NSFW -
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do

It's not like anyone uses UD for anything serious, but if you feel like voting for definition 3, it certainly wouldn't hurt.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Anybody checked out the top definition of "DO" on urban dictionary lately?


Warning - link may be NSFW -
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do

It's not like anyone uses UD for anything serious, but if you feel like voting for definition 3, it certainly wouldn't hurt.

I voted for three ... mainly because that first one makes me want to punt a cat.

 

[DragonWell]

I voted for three ... mainly because that first one makes me want to punt a cat.

Yeah, it's pretty offensive. But then again, 95% of UD is probably offensive to someone. Guess that's why it's blocked at our school. 🙄

In case anybody's curious:

#1 Definition of DO from urban dict

DO

1)Doctor of Osteopathy
2)One who could not get into a real medical school and was faced with the decision of becoming a nurse or being a DO.

Johnny smoked way too much weed during college and barely graduated. He's a perfect candidate for DO schools.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Yeah, it's pretty offensive. But then again, 95% of UD is probably offensive to someone. Guess that's why it's blocked at our school. 🙄

In case anybody's curious:

#1 Definition of DO from urban dict

Yup. 1, most of their stuff is offensive and not funny. 2, I bet the majority of people who voted for #1 are the pre med subculture we all know and love. I really doubt the average internet browser would cast their vote on that one.