MSTP 2004 matchlists

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  1. chef

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    found this on their website:


    Pathology University of Pennsylvania
    Internal Medicine Brigham and Women's Hospital
    Neurology Brigham/Harvard/MGH
    Otorhinolaryngology University of Colorado
    Medicine/Pediatrics University of Minnesota Hospitals
    Obstetrics and Gynecology University of Michigan Hospitals
    Internal Medicine Washington University
    Internal Medicine Stanford
    Psychiatry University of Michigan Hospitals
    Pathology University of Michigan Hospitals
     
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    Here is Penn's. I didn't think it deserved its own thread, but maybe if more people have match lists I can change the topic and make this into a matchlist thread.

    Anyhow, every Penn MD/PhD got their first choice this year.

    pathology Harvard (MGH)
    pathology Jefferson
    peds CHOP
    radiology Penn
    pathology Harvard (Brigham & Women's)
    ophtho Harvard (Mass Eye & Ear)
    peds Vanderbilt
    medicine Harvard (MGH)
    medicine Johns Hopkins
    plastic surgery Penn
    pathology UCSF
    radiology Harvard (MGH)
    medicine Penn
    surgery Harvard (MGH)

    PS: I turned this into a general matchlists thread. My apologies to the op. In response to pathdr2b, pathology (esp neuropath) is strong at Penn. That makes me surprised nobody stayed here for path this year. Since pathology is a traditional MD/PhD specialty, the administration also likes to steer you in that direction. I think those two features turn into a strong showing in pathology here year after year.
     
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    Looks like path is a very popular choice at Penn. Maybe I'd better reconsider putting Penn back on my list.:laugh:
     
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    attached in an email sent by Dr. Engman.

    Radiation Oncology
    University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center

    Internal Medicine
    Cedars-Sinai Hospital, Los Angeles

    Ophthalmology
    University of Wisconsin Hospitals

    Internal Medicine
    Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center

    Internal Medicine
    Stanford University Medical Center

    Pediatrics
    University of Chicago Hospitals

    Neurology
    Mayo Clinic
     
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    Iowa:

    Internal Medicine - UAB
    Internal Medicine - Iowa
    Family Practice - Broadlawns/Des Moines
    Neurology - Stanford

    Washington University:

    Dermatology - Michigan
    Dermatology - NYU
    Dermatology - WashU
    Pediatrics - Children's Boston
    Pediatrics - Children's St. Louis
    Pediatrics - UCSF
    Internal Medicine - WashU
    Internal Medicine - WashU
    Psychiatry - Yale
    Pathology - WashU
    Surgery - WashU
    Neurology - UCSF
    Urology - Brigham
    Radiation Oncology - WashU
    Ophthalmology - UCLA

    TriInstitutional:

    Internal Medicine - NYP Cornell
    Internal Medicine - NYP Columbia
    Internal Medicine - Brigham
    Internal Medicine - NYP Cornell
    Internal Medicine - UCSF
    Postdoc
    Pediatrics - CNMC
    Psychiatry - NYP Cornell
    Psychiatry - NYP Columbia
    Psychiatry - NYP Columbia
    Radiology - Penn
    Pathology - NYP Cornell

    UAB:

    Dermatology - Michigan
    Dermatology - Stanford
    Neurology - UAB
    Neurology - Cornell
    Anesthesiology - UAB
    Internal Medicine - UAB
    Internal Medicine - Duke
    Pediatrics - Vanderbilt
    Surgery - OHSU
     
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    sounding more and more run of the mill - not the best way to differentiate programs - but 'triI: The Program' had 100% 1st choice matching as well [the graduating class also consisted of almost all married students who chose to stay in nyc for their spouse].
     
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    All the MSTP programs in the top 20 or so brag that they have a 100% first choice match rate. I dont think thats a very good way to differentiate among them.
     
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    That's not true here. I didn't realize everyone boasted this, as I usually hear "virtually 100% get into one of their top 3 choices." We certainly don't match 100% to first choice every year, but it makes the director happy when it happens.
     
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    The graduates at UVa also matched to 100% of their top choices this year. The graduating class was 4 students, though the program has expanded to 8-10 per year.

    Medicine - University of Virginia
    Neurology - Johns Hopkins
    Medicine - Beth Israel-Deaconess/Harvard
    Pathology- Johns Hopkins
     
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    Emory
    Neurology Emory U.
    Pathology Emory U.
    Pathology U. Penn.
    Radiology Wash U./Barnes Jewish Hosp.


    UT Southwestern
    NIH/NCI - Pathology
    Massachusetts General Hospital - Internal Medicine
    UT Southwestern (Children's Hospital) - Pediatrics
    UT Southwestern (Parkland) - Ob/Gyn
    U Washington (Seattle) - Neurosurgery
    Cincinnati Children's Hospital - Pediatrics
    UT Southwestern (Parkland) - Radiology
    Washington University (St. Louis) - Internal Medicine
    UT Southwestern (Parkland) - Dermatology
    UC San Francisco - Internal Medicine
    Brigham & Women's Hospital - Internal Medicine
    UC San Diego - Orthopedic Surgery
    UT Southwestern (Parkland) - Pathology
     
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    Columbia:

    Radiology: UCSF
    Neurology: Harvard (MGH)
    Dermatology: NYP - Columbia
    Internal Medicine: Stanford
    Post-Doc

    (smallest class...most classes are 8-12)
     
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    UCSF's 2004 Matchlist:

    Ophthalmology, UCLA

    Medicine to Anesthesia, UCSF

    Dermatology, UCSF

    Pathology, UCSF

    Ophthalmology, Hopkins

    Surgery to Radiology, Wake Forest

    Internal Medicine, UCSF

    Internal Medicine, UCSF
     
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    Sorry, I was going to ask some questions, but I'll start a new thread. It's clear MD/PhD's do great in the match!
     
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    Baylor's MSTP Match list (I think everyone got their first choice):

    Ophthalmology
    -Bascom Palmer
    -UCSF

    Pathology
    -Johns Hopkins

    Urology
    -Johns Hopkins

    Medicine
    -Johns Hopkins
    -Duke

    Neurosurgery
    -UCSF
    -Baylor x 2

    Neurology
    -Johns Hopkins

    Radiation Oncology
    -UT - MD Anderson

    Dermatology
    -Penn
     
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    Hi, All

    Anyone have the MD/PhD match list for Miami?

    Thanks,

    tpf
     
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    can somebody please tell me what bascom palmer is? industry?
     
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    It's the University of Miami. Just like MEEI(Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary) is really Harvard.
     
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    thanks ("the message you have entered is too short. please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters" filler inserted here)
     
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    I like the # of IMs. Sometimes I wonder what the ramifications of MD/PhDs going into "harder" specialties is. But what's with the psychs?

    For what it's worth:

    NYU:
    IM - Brigham
    IM - Brigham
    IM - UCSF
    Rad Onc - Vandy
    Optho - U Iowa
    Psychiatry - MSSM
    Anesthesiology - Brigham
    Rad Diagnostic - Stony Brook
    Rad Diagnostic - Einstein
    Surgery - UMich
    ENT - HMS
    Derm - NYU

    there's one more who has a medicine prelim in NY, but for some reason isn't on the second year match list.
     
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    What do you mean by "harder" specialties? Just curious.
     
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    i.e. the super competitive ones that require more time in clinic, generally result in more bling, and may or may not mean less bench
     
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    Does any one know the matchlist for Einstein?
     
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    Just wondering whether people usually go into a specialty related to their thesis topics...
     
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    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think it will help you get the most competitive residencies if you have a solid publication record in your area of interest, but you're probably going to get a good residency anyways. Besides, for the not-so-competitive ones (ya know, the ones we're supposed to be in like peds, IM, or path), it doesn't matter.

    Pick based on what you're interested in and what lab fits you. You can figure out what specialty you want later. You're not closing anything off yet.
     
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    About how many MD/PhDs actually graduate on average from each school, and about what % of them who graduate do a residency?
     
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    I used to have statistics about the percentage of MD/PhDs that graduate, but I can't seem to dig them up. In the past, graduation rates have been as low as 50%. There were several reasons for this, that have been somewhat remedied as time progressed. Some reasons include better funding today, better program integration, and increased recognition of the MD/PhD degree. I'm going to wildly guess that graduation rates are up over 90% now, but others are free to find some real statitistics. I'm certain that the various cheerleaders will come out of the woodwork to say how happy students are at their particular school so dropping out there is very rare.

    Edit: Here's an old (1981) abstract. I've been unable to find much else: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7219472

    As for what percentage who graduate do a residency, try this study: http://www.aamc.org/research/dbr/mdphd/bsullivan_residencychoices.pdf

    It indicates that only a small percentage of MSTP funded graduates go straight to post-doc (~4%). It also indicates that recently 0% of non-MSTP MD/PhD graduates have gone straight to post-doc among their study population.
     
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    If you're talking about % of MSTP matriculants at year 1 who actually finish both PhD and MD after 6+ years, the issue has more to do with PhD than MD. The attrition rate has been a topic of national MSTP concern, and I believe it is around 20-25% nationally. People drop out for different reasons, but I think most "drop-outs" do finish the MD. I know that Penn has a project following MSTP students from their own and a few other programs. Maybe someone from Penn can find the latest numbers and share with the rest of us.
     
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    20-25% attrition from MSTPs sounds high to me. Bert Shapiro, the guy at the NIH responsible for MSTP, told me that 15% was an acceptable rate. I would think that 25% would lead to some problems with the NIH, resulting in a loss or reduction in funding. The program I am affiliated with has an attrition rate of 6%. Two other programs have told me that their rate is similar.
     
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    Given that all such reported numbers are retrospective in nature and most programs are forced to make active effort to reduce the attrition rate, such statistics are only meaningful when we know whether it's 15% over 10 years (which, mind you, only cover a few classes of MSTP students since attrition rate could be quite meaningless in years 1 and 2) or an average of yearly attrition rates among other pertinent information. I remember seeing a project from Penn at the Aspen meeting detailing this statistics more objectively than the self-reported numbers, and I would reiterate the importance of getting the actual data here.
     
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    I'm gonna see my director Tuesday. I'll see what I can do...
     
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    So only 4% of MD/PhD actually do a residency??? Wow...
     
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    No, 4% of MSTP funded MD/PhDs do a post-doc. The rest do a residency.
     
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    So that was my original question, how many do a residency? I know several MD/PhDs actually have no interest in doing residency at all, but wish to work for an industry after graduation.

     
  34. So, someone actually paid attention to my poster...

    The Penn study is done and has yielded a lot of interesting results about CURRENT students at Penn including the fact that many students have considered or are considering leaving the program. This rate increases cummulatively as you look at students further along in the program. However, it is just conjecture but the vast majority of those who consider leaving don't. I say conjecture because those data are not available. Most program directors (including Penn's) are not willing to publicize actual attrition rates yet (so don't bother asking...for now). Anecdotally, anywhere from 10 to 25% was the norm for the 8 years I was at Penn. (By the way 6% as the norm??? What program do you go to? If you have 10 per year and one drops out that's already 10%.) The data from the Penn study are forthcoming in Academic Medicine and Clinical Orthopaedics (comparison of surgical versus nonsurgical students) within the next few months.

    A national version was also administered. Some of you many have gotten my annoying emails already. The study is complete and the data are now being analyzed and should hopefully get out in about a year. It wasn't a randomized sample (too hard to gather everyone's contact info) but targeted about a quarter of all md-phd students. (Although, I'm disappointed in many of you--less than 60% response rate because you were "too busy" or had "no interest." We're supposed to be the most academic of populations! For those of you who filled out the survey, thanks.)

    In any case, PM me if you have specific questions. But I can't post any unpublished numbers on a public forum. I'm trying to convince one of my collaborating students to present at this year's national student mtg so you may see some of the data there.

    And finally, here's me on my soap box:
    DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRAVEL DOWN THE PATH LAID BEFORE YOU BY YOUR PREDECESSORS. THEY SAY ACADEMICS IS DYING OR ALREADY DEAD IN MANY SUBSPECIALTIES OF MEDICINE (ortho being one). THESE ARE THE DECLARATIONS (or rather lamentations, imho) OF THE MISTAKES OF THE GENERATION BEFORE US. ONLY WE CAN (should?) CHANGE THAT.

    I'll shut up now and get back to reading about ankle fractures and annoy a few patients with some middle of the night neuro checks.

    - FunnyBones, The Farm 94, Penn MD-PhD 03, bone doc to be 08
    aka Jaimo, look me up and get in touch if you're at Penn or intersted in those "harder" specialties (a la newquagmire) esp surgical ones.
     
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    Quite a few ophthalmologists joining the ranks! ;)
     
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    I'm glad to see that my hallucination wasn't too bad in coming up with the 20-25% number. That just seems much more reasonable than 6%.

    Funnybones: when you or others do the statistics, do you include those who apply and get into the PhD part after MS1 and MS2? It seems that including those in the overall number may compensate for those admitted directly into MSTP prior to MS1 who subsequently drop out.
     
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    Care about residency, anyone?
     
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    Few more:

    Harvard (2004)

    Opthalmology | Baylor
    Dermatology | UMass
    Dermatology | UCDavis
    Radiation Oncology | Jefferson
    Internal Medicine | MGH
    Internal Medicine | UPenn
    Internal Medicine | Brigham
    Neurology | Harvard Combined
    Psychiatry | NYP Columbia
    Psychiatry | Chicago
    Psychiatry | NYP Columbia
    Pathology | Brigham
    Postdoc
    Postdoc
    Postdoc

    Case Western (2004)

    Pediatrics | USC/CHLA
    Neurology | Cleveland Clinic

    Penn State (2004)

    Pediatrics | Stanford
    Internal Medicine | Penn State
    Pathology | Loyola
    Nuclear Medicine | UPenn

    UIUC (2004)

    Neurology | Yale
    Pediatrics | Utah
    Pathology | Johns Hopkins
    Neurosurgery | Rochester
    Internal Medicine | MGH
    Psychiatry | U of Washington
    Radiology | Chicago
    Radiology | Mayo
    Pathology | Chicago
    Psychiatry | NYU
    Pathology | WashU
    Pathology | WashU
    Psychiatry | Yale
    Radiology | UI-Peoria
    Prelim | UIC

    Also, a link to 2003's match lists:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=63367
     

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