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[waq007]

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hi everyone,

new member to the forum but have been readn post here for a couple of years. i'm currently studying kinesiology & health sciences at york university up here in toronto (CAN) and want to go to professional school. i spend a lot of time researching different fields. i have been thinkn of where i wanna go. my mind used to change every 2weeks in first year. always wanted to become a doctor but hate FP who mostly just perscribe tylenol for everything (maybe due to differences in the health care systems here). so then i thought of going into naturopathy as its more hollistic but then realized my options of doing anything besides family practice would be obstructed. chiro and physio r more related to my field but not that rewarding (to me). i got to know one of my profs here who teaches sports medicine and athletic injuries this semester and found out he was a D.O. when i start readn about what DOs r, it amazed me and thats what i wanna do (for sure this time). hollistic practice with the option to go into any residency. i like the MSU program, plus its near the border! i wanted to know from any MSU student if they accept Canadian students and if the tuition is the same as the out-of-province (i mean state) tuition fees. its already like 45K (most people dont even make that in a year), there is noway i could afford anything over that, hell i couldn't even afford that without student,bank loans. additionally, is there any bursaries, scholarships for international students there. any help appreciated.

~W.A.

 

[Ypo.]

hi everyone,

new member to the forum but have been readn post here for a couple of years. i'm currently studying kinesiology & health sciences at york university up here in toronto (CAN) and want to go to professional school. i spend a lot of time researching different fields. i have been thinkn of where i wanna go. my mind used to change every 2weeks in first year. always wanted to become a doctor but hate FP who mostly just perscribe tylenol for everything (maybe due to differences in the health care systems here). so then i thought of going into naturopathy as its more hollistic but then realized my options of doing anything besides family practice would be obstructed. chiro and physio r more related to my field but not that rewarding (to me). i got to know one of my profs here who teaches sports medicine and athletic injuries this semester and found out he was a D.O. when i start readn about what DOs r, it amazed me and thats what i wanna do (for sure this time). hollistic practice with the option to go into any residency. i like the MSU program, plus its near the border! i wanted to know from any MSU student if they accept Canadian students and if the tuition is the same as the out-of-province (i mean state) tuition fees. its already like 45K (most people dont even make that in a year), there is noway i could afford anything over that, hell i couldn't even afford that without student,bank loans. additionally, is there any bursaries, scholarships for international students there. any help appreciated.

~W.A.

Yes, they accept canadian students, and yes the tuition would be the same as for an out-of-state resident. One of my friends in the 2008 class is Canadian (citizenship)-he was able to get Michigan residency and get the in-state tuition, even tho he's still a Canadian citizen. His SDN name is CanadianDoctor-you should PM him

 

[waq007]

Yes, they accept canadian students, and yes the tuition would be the same as for an out-of-state resident. One of my friends in the 2008 class is Canadian (citizenship)-he was able to get Michigan residency and get the in-state tuition, even tho he's still a Canadian citizen. His SDN name is CanadianDoctor-you should PM him

wooo-hooo!! 😀 thnx yposhelley. btw, r u at msu? if so, how r u finding it?

 

[medic170]

Yes, they accept canadian students, and yes the tuition would be the same as for an out-of-state resident. One of my friends in the 2008 class is Canadian (citizenship)-he was able to get Michigan residency and get the in-state tuition, even tho he's still a Canadian citizen. His SDN name is CanadianDoctor-you should PM him

How did he get Michigan residency as a Canadian citizen? To me, that is just wrong. I mean, I get in state tuition because I have lived in MI and paid MI taxes, which support the school, but how did that work for someone who is Canadian?

 

[PublicEnemy]

yeah its weird, there's 2 parts to it. each state has its own rules regarding legally establishing residency. then each school also has its own method of determining who they feel is a state resident. its technically possible to not be a us citizen and still be considered a particular state resident. the time frames for establishing residency vary from state to state. here in nj, establishing residency is something you can do basically overnight. the dmv will give anyone a nj drivers license if they have a lease or title in nj or even just a piece of mail that was sent to them in a adress in nj. other states have minimum time lengths, and rules regarding filing of taxes etc.

i wonder what the specific rules are in michigan

 

[Ypo.]

How did he get Michigan residency as a Canadian citizen? To me, that is just wrong. I mean, I get in state tuition because I have lived in MI and paid MI taxes, which support the school, but how did that work for someone who is Canadian?

Well, I'm not sure exactly how he did it. I would have to ask him. All I asked him was if he was paying in-state tuition, and he said he was.

When I was looking into reestablishing residency in Michigan, all I was told is that you need to live there for one year without attending classes. The guy has been living in Michigan for 15 years, and from what I hear, its difficult to attain US citizenship as a Canadian, so maybe MSU took pity and just gave him residency status. He is planning on practicing medicine in Michigan, and that is part of the reason MSU tends to acept Michigan residents (they're more likely to stay in MI). 🙂

But I think OP wanted to know if he could get accepted as a Canadian citizen, and get charged out-of-state tuition, and he definitely can...MSUCOM does accept Canadian citizens, and they would at the most, charge the out-of-state tuition.

 

[Ypo.]

wooo-hooo!! 😀 thnx yposhelley. btw, r u at msu? if so, how r u finding it?

Nope, don't start school till the fall. I'm accepted there, tho. From what I have seen, its a good school with great students, teachers and rotations.

 

[dr.z]

yeah its weird, there's 2 parts to it. each state has its own rules regarding legally establishing residency. then each school also has its own method of determining who they feel is a state resident. its technically possible to not be a us citizen and still be considered a particular state resident. the time frames for establishing residency vary from state to state. here in nj, establishing residency is something you can do basically overnight. the dmv will give anyone a nj drivers license if they have a lease or title in nj or even just a piece of mail that was sent to them in a adress in nj. other states have minimum time lengths, and rules regarding filing of taxes etc.

i wonder what the specific rules are in michigan

That's interesting. Although when I called UMDNJ-SOM whether they accept any foreign applicants (no greencard), they told me no. They weren't very nice so I didn't apply.

 

[Ypo.]

One of my friends in the 2008 class is Canadian (citizenship)-he was able to get Michigan residency and get the in-state tuition, even tho he's still a Canadian citizen.

I talked to my friend, and he has DUAL residency-which explains how he was able to get in-state tuition while still retaining his Canadian citizenship.

I'm sorry if I misled anyone with my prior statement.

 

[docbill]

I talked to my friend, and he has DUAL residency-which explains how he was able to get in-state tuition while still retaining his Canadian citizenship.

I'm sorry if I misled anyone with my prior statement.

That is better. Many have dual residencies. Recall many baby boomers came to Canada after the vietnam drafts began. If this person was living in Canada most of his life... than he doesn't have a specific state residency. MI, may as well be considered as his state, since it is the first state for him to live in.

MSUCOM does accept Canadains BUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT in the 20% of out of state accepted. IT IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION FOR CANADIANS TO APPLY. TUITION WILL STILL BE HIGH.. and DON'T automaticaly believe you will get a scholarship (others where speaking of that).

ALSO MSU admission requirements for out of state are very HIGH. 3.7 or better. I believe that is what I was told. UNLESS if you have a graduate degree in science, than that will help you.

If you really want to stay need the Canadian border.. ON... than consider LECOM. They are 2.5 hours drive to Toronto and much closer then MSU.

I choose UNECOM, 6 hours drive from Montreal and from Quebec city. I believe about 5 from NB. But only 3- 3.5 hours from Canadian border.

Who is this prof at UofT that is a DO. Is he US trained or Canadian trained That is interesting. I heard nothing about that... that would be great to know of course.

There are other DO's practicing in Canada, 9 from the latest count.

Also, if you are interested in Sport medicine or rehab.. than DO degree would be of great help. If you are looking for alternative med as ND or Acup etc... than DO is prob not the best route. DOs are governed by similar laws and regulations as MDs.. little differences.

If you want more info on this.. you can contact me or you can look up the president of Osteopathic Association in Alberta.

 

[waq007]

That is better. Many have dual residencies. Recall many baby boomers came to Canada after the vietnam drafts began. If this person was living in Canada most of his life... than he doesn't have a specific state residency. MI, may as well be considered as his state, since it is the first state for him to live in.

MSUCOM does accept Canadains BUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT in the 20% of out of state accepted. IT IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION FOR CANADIANS TO APPLY. TUITION WILL STILL BE HIGH.. and DON'T automaticaly believe you will get a scholarship (others where speaking of that).

ALSO MSU admission requirements for out of state are very HIGH. 3.7 or better. I believe that is what I was told. UNLESS if you have a graduate degree in science, than that will help you.

If you really want to stay need the Canadian border.. ON... than consider LECOM. They are 2.5 hours drive to Toronto and much closer then MSU.

I choose UNECOM, 6 hours drive from Montreal and from Quebec city. I believe about 5 from NB. But only 3- 3.5 hours from Canadian border.

Who is this prof at UofT that is a DO. Is he US trained or Canadian trained That is interesting. I heard nothing about that... that would be great to know of course.

There are other DO's practicing in Canada, 9 from the latest count.

Also, if you are interested in Sport medicine or rehab.. than DO degree would be of great help. If you are looking for alternative med as ND or Acup etc... than DO is prob not the best route. DOs are governed by similar laws and regulations as MDs.. little differences.

If you want more info on this.. you can contact me or you can look up the president of Osteopathic Association in Alberta.

docbill,

thanx for the info. sorry for replying so late, had midterms. btw, i dont know any DO at U of T, he;'s my prof at York. He did a masters of sports medicine at indiana U and then came back to toronto for his osteopathy degree. i asked him yesterday about it and he said that he met up with some DOs in some conference in the states and that they were suprised about the difference the between the programs in canada and the states. in canada so get a DO(MP) degree, Doctor of Osteopathy (Manual Practice) and you really use the OMT and other osteopathic techniques. he was telln me that the do's he met hardly used it. only reason i wanna come to the states is that i dont want to limited to family practice. cuz here its different, technically speakn not considered the same as an alleopathic doc so dont get to specialize. i'm into the hollistic philo but dont wanna limit myself to FP, wanna specialize in either sport medicine or cardiology. i'm interested in th cardiovascular system 🙂

and i was workn under dr.anderson (a former dean of the faculty of med) in the department of nutrition. did some interestin research. gonna go again this summer. man u learn so much just my being there. i learned a lot about nutrition from there and about tumours when i was volunteering as a research assistant at pencer brain tumour clinic at princess margaret hospital. i've been lucky to do so much in only my first year of university. but i know people who want to go to medschool and do research/volunteern for the reference letter. i however do it cuz i want to and for the experience. if i dont get into med, its alright with me.

anywho, docbill, any more suggestion on what school i should choose and how i can afford to pay for it will be much appreciated. thanks to everyone so far.