MWU AZ vs NYU

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Screwtape said:
Hmmm... Do you want to spend half a million on a DDS or half a million on a DMD? I'd vote neither.
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wrong

mwu-az is not half a mil. around 400k including tuition and fee increase and modest living expense cuz living in glendale is dirt cheap

op go for mwu az. very solid program
 
If you are 100% sure you want to be a dentist, then I second the nomination for MWU-AZ, based on the strength of the program as well as the low cost-of-living.
You will eventually be able to pay the loans off.

That said, if I were in this position, I would move to a state with low cost in-state dental school, spend a year strengthening my application, investigate a backup career, and apply again in the meantime.
 
Incis0r said:
If you are 100% sure you want to be a dentist, then I second the nomination for MWU-AZ, based on the strength of the program as well as the low cost-of-living.
You will eventually be able to pay the loans off.

That said, if I were in this position, I would move to a state with low cost in-state dental school, spend a year strengthening my application, investigate a backup career, and apply again in the meantime.
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sup bro,

for your second option, move to an instate school and get a job to establish residence (at least 1 year) THEN, you apply, which takes another 1 year, which you will spend at least 2 years to get into this "low cost in-state dental school"

who ensures/assures you will get in in-state school? given you turned down acceptance at another school. or worst, you dont get in in-state school but get in the private school that is even more expensive.


OP, arizona is still a good market for dentistry. if you dont really LOVE to live in saturated area, MWU-AZ is a way to go. For me, I definitely wont return to saturated area.
 
darknightzzz said:
sup bro,

for your second option, move to an instate school and get a job to establish residence (at least 1 year) THEN, you apply, which takes another 1 year, which you will spend at least 2 years to get into this "low cost in-state dental school"

who ensures/assures you will get in in-state school? given you turned down acceptance at another school. or worst, you dont get in in-state school but get in the private school that is even more expensive.
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Yeah it would take two years- good point.

There is no guarantee that you'll get into a state school. That is why I recommended to the OP, that if they are SURE they want to become a dentist, then they should go to MWU-AZ.

For me, personally, no amount of loans over $250K for dental school can be justified. So what I would do is the move to a different state, and set up residency, and apply there, while preparing for a back-up career. In this hypothetical scenario, if I didn't get into the low-cost dental school after establishing residency there, then fair enough- at least I have a backup career and don't have $400K debt.

Dentistry is my #1 choice, but only if I can get it under $250K. If I can't, it's no sweat- there are plenty of professions out there and I'll choose another one that can still help me reach my goals in life.
 
I was thinking about if I don't get into my state school, I would reapply instead of going to a private one just like @Incis0r said.
But I talked to several people and everyone said just like @darknightzzz
And I admire @Incis0r for having a $250k set on it like that. I'm a sucker and I would just be like, ah f*** this, Imma be in debt. Let's do this.
 
Carbohydrates said:
I was thinking about if I don't get into my state school, I would reapply instead of going to a private one just like @Incis0r said.
But I talked to several people and everyone said just like @darknightzzz
And I admire @Incis0r for having a $250k set on it like that. I'm a sucker and I would just be like, ah f*** this, Imma be in debt. Let's do this.
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time is ticking and cant be slowed down bro @Carbohydrates. before we decide to do something, we should sit down to crunch out numbers, especially the number of years you have to spend to reach what you want. other things to consider are

motivation....Am I sure I am still super interested in pursuing dentistry or the hassle of setting up residence and working the job takes a toll on me. life has many surprises. One thing people don't mention is memory decreases as age increases. I know we all have laser sharp memory now but trust me, people in their 30 going to professional school have the memory problem.

what if at the end of 3 years, you solved the problem (high debt) with another problem (don't know where to go from here, lost motivation, lose the heat of youth study)

lol who else isnt sure of becoming a dentist went ahead and applied to dental schools, attended interviews, faked so well to land acceptance, and decide dentistry is not right for him/her?

anyways, one decides for his or her interests. people usually complain in general. because guess what if they dont complain, they chill somewhere else but not SDN.
 
I would definitely rather spend two years working and gaining skills while paying off extra debt from private school than moving somewhere and living in uncertainty hoping to get into a cheaper school.
You can buy a 2 bed apartment for under 60K in Glendale = 350$ a month mortgage🙂 There is no winter in AZ, I hate dealing with snow (you'll only need two pairs of shorts, a couple of t-shirts and flip flops).
 
Bars said:
I would definitely rather spend two years working and gaining skills while paying off extra debt from private school than moving somewhere and living in uncertainty hoping to get into a cheaper school.
You can buy a 2 bed apartment for under 60K in Glendale = 350$ a month mortgage🙂 There is no winter in AZ, I hate dealing with snow (you'll only need two pairs of shorts, a couple of t-shirts and flip flops).
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u speak my mind. uncertainty is not good for business

btw those houses usually have high HOA fee, basically maintenance fee, around 200-300$ plus tax. so you are looking at 700-800$ when everything is said and done. but just to point out how cheap living expense in az is.
 
Bars said:
I would definitely rather spend two years working and gaining skills while paying off extra debt from private school than moving somewhere and living in uncertainty hoping to get into a cheaper school.
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From your statement, it seems like you are 100% decided on dentistry, no matter what the cost. And in that case, if you are willing to take on a 400K+ debt to become a dentist, then yes, it makes sense to go into the workforce immediately instead of spending two years hoping to get into a cheaper school. If this were my scenario, I would agree 100% with you and I would do the same.

I think what a lot of people are missing from my approach is that I am not unconditionally committing to the field of dentistry- I will ONLY do it if I get < $250K in debt. I will have a backup career to provide me with a decent income in the meantime, and I am perfectly willing to shut the door on dentistry as a career if it means going $400K into the hole- to ME, it's just not worth it at that price point.
 
darknightzzz said:
those houses usually have high HOA fee, basically maintenance fee, around 200-300$ plus tax. so you are looking at 700-800$ when everything is said and done. but just to point out how cheap living expense in az is.
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This is correct. There are lots of hidden costs to home ownership.
 
Incis0r said:
From your statement, it seems like you are 100% decided on dentistry, no matter what the cost. And in that case, if you are willing to take on a 400K+ debt to become a dentist, then yes, it makes sense to go into the workforce immediately instead of spending two years hoping to get into a cheaper school. If this were my scenario, I would agree 100% with you and I would do the same.

I think what a lot of people are missing from my approach is that I am not unconditionally committing to the field of dentistry- I will ONLY do it if I get < $250K in debt. I will have a backup career to provide me with a decent income in the meantime, and I am perfectly willing to shut the door on dentistry as a career if it means going $400K into the hole- to ME, it's just not worth it at that price point.
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what if your parents foot 100k cash and lower the debt price to 300k? will u still go? lol
 
darknightzzz said:
what if your parents foot 100k cash and lower the debt price to 300k? will u still go? lol
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First of all, congrats on MWU-AZ man!!! I know you were so excited about the program, and you deserve the acceptance.

Now, regarding your question, taking $100K from parents would never happen because:

a) I refuse to take anything from my parents. They (luckily) have a decent nest egg, and I want them to keep building their retirement funds even more.

b) 300K is still too expensive. I want 250K max. In case you are wondering how I got the $250K number, it's from calculating my monthly repayments on a 10-year plan out of dental school. $250K would give me $3K/mo payment for 10 yrs which is as high as I'm willing to go.
 
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darknightzzz said:
btw I got in MWU-AZ too and one pro if you attend MWU-AZ. you will get to be my classmate. JK lol
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Haha are you actually planning on attending Mwu-az? Cause I am and this thread is interesting haha
 
kjsingh said:
Haha are you actually planning on attending Mwu-az? Cause I am and this thread is interesting haha
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I actually plan to because I got waitlisted at 5 schools and MWU-AZ saves my behind this time.
however, i truly truly like mwu-az compared to other schools. it is just it when i saw D3-D4 placing implants lolz.

at other interviews, they ask me where else i interview and I told them and compliments MWU-AZ a lot so BAM 5 waitlists.

Well, one pro for you to come to MWU-AZ is you get to be my classmate too. lol jk
 
darknightzzz said:
I actually plan to because I got waitlisted at 5 schools and MWU-AZ saves my behind this time.
however, i truly truly like mwu-az compared to other schools. it is just it when i saw D3-D4 placing implants lolz.

at other interviews, they ask me where else i interview and I told them and compliments MWU-AZ a lot so BAM 5 waitlists.

Well, one pro for you to come to MWU-AZ is you get to be my classmate too. lol jk
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Haha it's good to know another southern Californian is considering MWU-Az...I actually went to undergrad near orange lol
 
kjsingh said:
Haha it's good to know another southern Californian is considering MWU-Az...I actually went to undergrad near orange lol
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really? wat school? must be one of the CSUs
 
Thought I should post this in here as well since it is probably more relevant in the pre-dental threads...

I am a D2 at MWU-AZ and honestly, I love MWU. The price is obviously a concern, but we really get our money's worth here, and the price is pretty comparable to many other private schools. The teachers are so helpful and work on an open door policy so you can always go to them with questions and they are more than willing to help you until you understand it. I have never had an intimidating experience with a teacher because they all treat us like their colleagues. Some teachers come in early to SIM around 6AM to help students and stay late after to help as well. They really put our needs before their own.
The students here are also great! Everyone is always willing to help each other and mostly everyone studies together in groups or gives each other tips and advice on certain topics. I have never felt alone on anything because I always have fellow students to help me through things.

We start doing perio rotations, oral surgery rotations, radiology rotations, among many others over at the clinic fall of second year and it is so nice to get the first part of the boards out of the way after the first year.

If you come here you can be sure that you will get more than enough clinical experience to begin practicing right after graduation. Especially because we don't have any specific graduation requirements, you will have plenty of experience in all aspects of clinic (extractions, crown preps, CADCAM (Cerec and E4D), Endo, and IMPLANTS, among many others! And working in pairs is a bonus, we get work done much faster which is better for the patient and gets you used to having an assistant. Dentistry really is a career based on teamwork and they teach that very early on.

Let me know if you have any questions!!

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P.S. The cost of living in AZ is WAYYYY cheaper than NY....that should be a big factor. I moved from the bay area CA and it has made a huge difference going from upwards of $2300/month to $850/month.
 
asne0407 said:
Thought I should post this in here as well since it is probably more relevant in the pre-dental threads...

I am a D2 at MWU-AZ and honestly, I love MWU. The price is obviously a concern, but we really get our money's worth here, and the price is pretty comparable to many other private schools. The teachers are so helpful and work on an open door policy so you can always go to them with questions and they are more than willing to help you until you understand it. I have never had an intimidating experience with a teacher because they all treat us like their colleagues. Some teachers come in early to SIM around 6AM to help students and stay late after to help as well. They really put our needs before their own.
The students here are also great! Everyone is always willing to help each other and mostly everyone studies together in groups or gives each other tips and advice on certain topics. I have never felt alone on anything because I always have fellow students to help me through things.

We start doing perio rotations, oral surgery rotations, radiology rotations, among many others over at the clinic fall of second year and it is so nice to get the first part of the boards out of the way after the first year.

If you come here you can be sure that you will get more than enough clinical experience to begin practicing right after graduation. Especially because we don't have any specific graduation requirements, you will have plenty of experience in all aspects of clinic (extractions, crown preps, CADCAM (Cerec and E4D), Endo, and IMPLANTS, among many others! And working in pairs is a bonus, we get work done much faster which is better for the patient and gets you used to having an assistant. Dentistry really is a career based on teamwork and they teach that very early on.

Let me know if you have any questions!!

EDIT**

P.S. The cost of living in AZ is WAYYYY cheaper than NY....that should be a big factor. I moved from the bay area CA and it has made a huge difference going from upwards of $2300/month to $850/month.
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please elaborate on implants, u get to do all aspects of implants? how about laser certification?
 
So I recently had my oral surgery rotation and we observed D3s and D4s making incisions on gums before the oral surgeon placed the implant and after the implant had ossiointegrated as well as placing the abutments and designing and placing the temporary and permanent crown. They also were able to do implant supported dentures. Also that day, a D3 had to cut a flap and remove a root tip and help remove an impacted canine. My friend, also a D2, said when she went on her rotation, some were doing extractions and bone grafts using collagen mesh and one using Growth Factor from their blood.

Just to name a few...so you will get hands on experience in many different aspects of oral surgery
 
And yes we get laser certified... I believe spring of this year
 
posted this for UMN vs NYU, but i'll add some stuff

NYU:

pros: clinically excellent. the clinical program here is probably one of the best in the country. not to mention aesthetics training, and a lot of opportunities for research; get to go to school in manhattan

cons: class size (could be a pro or con, depending on the kind of person you are); resources are available but you have to make an effort to seek them/seek help if you need it. your hand will not be held here. cost-if you don't have a scholarship of some sort or are footing 100% of the bill on loans then that might be a huge con. new york city is very expensive

everyone is talking about implants, so i figured i'd throw this in. NYU was the first to develop a pre-doc program to introduce implants. you can place implants if you're an honors student, but you're the quarterback for any implant case..you just may not get to place them. implant overdentures and implant crowns are requirements here.

CAD/CAM-each clinic floor has milling machines. yeah, it's cool (i've done 2 so far and i'm a third year) and it's extremely convenient..but to be honest it's not a big deal.

invisalign--also the first school in the country to have a pre-doc invisalign program. it's cool to have the certification at the end. in clinic you are eligible to do invisalign cases (most of them). if they are too advanced they get referred to post graduate orthodontics, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

another couple of pros that i'd like to add: NYU has every specialty in house, so consults are easy to come by. residents take cases that are way beyond your scope (i.e. fabricating a denture for a patient who has very minimal bone support). highly doubt any other school has students that deal with such advanced cases anyway.

another pro: NYU really pushes aesthetic dentistry. one of the co-founders of laminate veneers teaches you during your second year. you may even have the opportunity to work 1 on 1 with him and other pioneers in the field. no other school offers that. the ability to network and learn from some of the best is a unique opportunity

at the end of the day, you can't go wrong with either school. don't let ''new technology'' sway you or anything like that. guaranteed, if you're doing it most other dental schools have been doing it already or will do it at some point. go with where you feel comfortable. i'm sure i probably forgot some stuff but if you have any questions, ask away
 
I'm a 3rd year at MWU and I agree that it is cheaper than NYC
 
Incis0r said:
If you are 100% sure you want to be a dentist, then I second the nomination for MWU-AZ, based on the strength of the program as well as the low cost-of-living.
You will eventually be able to pay the loans off.

That said, if I were in this position, I would move to a state with low cost in-state dental school, spend a year strengthening my application, investigate a backup career, and apply again in the meantime.
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darknightzzz said:
sup bro,

for your second option, move to an instate school and get a job to establish residence (at least 1 year) THEN, you apply, which takes another 1 year, which you will spend at least 2 years to get into this "low cost in-state dental school"

who ensures/assures you will get in in-state school? given you turned down acceptance at another school. or worst, you dont get in in-state school but get in the private school that is even more expensive.


OP, arizona is still a good market for dentistry. if you dont really LOVE to live in saturated area, MWU-AZ is a way to go. For me, I definitely wont return to saturated area.
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I got accepted to MWU, NYU, LECOM, so its just decision making at this point
 
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