My college convicted me of forgery: What are my chances now?

[Lucca]

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Wow 😵

I remember this thread, good times.

 

[deleted480308]

He posted on SDN when this happened. Obviously told us this was all a big misunderstanding and his mean school was kicking him out for no reason.

That one was hilarious

 

[whitemagic]

^Is that thread still up?!?! Sounds like it would be an interesting read.

 

[mimelim]

So basically OP is screwed, Axes is severely misinformed, and both of them should never become doctors. Gotcha.

"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." - Maya Angelou. The single greatest lesson I ever learned during undergrad.

Or just go into Ortho, will fit right in per Tired.

 

[northernlights15]

I find the tension between mimelim and Tired so amusing!

 

[The Cheat]

I hope not. I have several disciplinary actions from high school. Meh, didn't keep me out of college 😛

You and me both. I got suspended a week for having fire-crackers in my backpack. Was going to light them off in the school parking lot( when only my buddies would be around) but an admin caught me and my HS career almost ended.

 

[truffles90]

I lost count of how many times I've received disciplinary action in HS. Academic probation, academic suspension, social probation, expulsion…Lol.

 

[jih]

expulsion

What kind of (undergrad) college would take you with that?

 

[NeuResurgens]

The real problem, IMO, is that the natural assumption when you see an IA like this one (ie blatant dishonesty over a relative triviality) is not that the person made a one time mistake, but rather that they got caught one time out of many occurrences of dishonesty.

The follow-up explanation of sleep deprivation as root cause only furthers this assumption.

 

[Oh_Gee]

^Is that thread still up?!?! Sounds like it would be an interesting read.

second

 

[AspiringERMD]

^Is that thread still up?!?! Sounds like it would be an interesting read.

This looks like it could be it:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/help-expelled-misconduct.958972/

 

[Easonred57]

I was wondering the same thing. I don't really know how IAs work, but I also don't see why such things would appear on a transcript of all places.

At my school, IAs appear on the transcript. My friend had one, and it was in an obscure spot, but it was there.

 

[idkididk]

This looks like it could be it:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/help-expelled-misconduct.958972/

Quote from the article:

"The College of Physicians and Surgeons ordered Mancuso to pay $2,080 for the costs of the investigation into his misconduct."

Lmao. On top of the loans he probably took out for the MD he won't have.

 

[meetsub]

Perhaps you can get this expunged from your record. Perhaps you can meet with the professor and talk to him about the circumstances that led to this? It was a stupid move on your part, but it's not something I would consider on the level of cheating or plagiarism. Maybe it can work.

 

[Member 1337]

My GPA is over 3.9, with a spread of academic awards, volunteering and two first co-authorships with professors in the works. I'm pre-MCAT, but let's assume I do well. Unfortunately, my university convicted me of forgery of a faculty member's signature.

To be frank, I don't remember doing it. The form was recorded as submitted mid-finals week, and I was deliriously sleepy the whole week. I woke up one morning to find a charge in my inbox that confused and frightened me.

It's a good thing the OP doesn't remember forging a signature. Basically, if you don't remember doing stuff, it doesn't count!

You also get bonus points if you're so focused on academic excellence that you push yourself into sleep deprivation and get "deliriously sleepy" - this is evidence of your work ethic! This also helps you maintain just enough critical thinking skills to perform well on tests and research (getting the grades and publications you need to succeed), while not maintaining quite enough judgment/capacity to be held responsible for occasional lapses in ethical decision making and good citizenship. Admissions committees will totally get this. Hey, you're an average, hard-working joe, totally reliable when it comes to all that important stuff that requires critical thinking and good judgment (grades, research, publications, volunteering). It's just that, sometimes, you push yourself too hard, and your brain will go on autopilot and do silly things (like forging signatures) and debbie downers are gonna be all "that's unethical or immoral!" - but it's ok, because you won't remember doing any of those things (wink) and committee members will be all, "hey, guys, who hasn't been there, right? right?"

Also, your reaction of being confused and frightened by receiving the (surprise) charges in your inbox is evidence that they caught you completely off-guard. The admissions committees will definitely want to hear about this - it confirms that you are a vulnerable victim of sleep deprivation in the pursuit of excellence and strengthens an argument that you should get a pass for (totally random and completely understandable) lapses in judgment.

On a side note, bonus points if you describe your complete lack of concern for having full-on periodic black-outs utilizing the phrase "la belle indifference."

 

[Lucca]

You and me both. I got suspended a week for having fire-crackers in my backpack. Was going to light them off in the school parking lot( when only my buddies would be around) but an admin caught me and my HS career almost ended.

Hah, well I never did something as incriminating as carrying around explosives in my backpack. The worst I ever did was get into a fight and be written up for calling an administrator "a ****ing fascist".

 

[Sweatshirt]

OP you messed up, but it isn't as bad as some of the things I've seen. I knew one kid who got 2 underage drinking violations AND got caught stealing from Meijer once by the police. He was a minority, but he still got in to medical school. Do not know how and I don't know any more details, but maybe there is hope for you somewhere. Good luck

 

[mehc012]

OP you messed up, but it isn't as bad as some of the things I've seen. I knew one kid who got 2 underage drinking violations AND got caught stealing from Meijer once by the police. He was a minority, but he still got in to medical school. Do not know how and I don't know any more details, but maybe there is hope for you somewhere. Good luck

Alcohol violations are certainly not worse than deliberate forgery. Shoplifting is also an entirely different category of offense, though of course if it was an actual criminal charge that raises the bar a bit.

 

[NeuResurgens]

It's a good thing the OP doesn't remember forging a signature. Basically, if you don't remember doing stuff, it doesn't count!

You also get bonus points if you're so focused on academic excellence that you push yourself into sleep deprivation and get "deliriously sleepy" - this is evidence of your work ethic! This also helps you maintain just enough critical thinking skills to perform well on tests and research (getting the grades and publications you need to succeed), while not maintaining quite enough judgment/capacity to be held responsible for occasional lapses in ethical decision making and good citizenship. Admissions committees will totally get this. Hey, you're an average, hard-working joe, totally reliable when it comes to all that important stuff that requires critical thinking and good judgment (grades, research, publications, volunteering). It's just that, sometimes, you push yourself too hard, and your brain will go on autopilot and do silly things (like forging signatures) and debbie downers are gonna be all "that's unethical or immoral!" - but it's ok, because you won't remember doing any of those things (wink) and committee members will be all, "hey, guys, who hasn't been there, right? right?"

Also, your reaction of being confused and frightened by receiving the (surprise) charges in your inbox is evidence that they caught you completely off-guard. The admissions committees will definitely want to hear about this - it confirms that you are a vulnerable victim of sleep deprivation in the pursuit of excellence and strengthens an argument that you should get a pass for (totally random and completely understandable) lapses in judgment.

On a side note, bonus points if you describe your complete lack of concern for having full-on periodic black-outs utilizing the phrase "la belle indifference."

Claim you were in dissociative Fugue. I didn't know what I was doing! My alter ego did it, not me.

 

[NeuResurgens]

This looks like it could be it:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/help-expelled-misconduct.958972/

Oh my gosh. The guy with the "tell lies on the internet" video from Arthur.. I just died laughing

 

[winterwind_23]

How To Get Into Medical School:

1) Do not forge professor's signature on official paperwork
2) ???
3) Profit

 

[caffeinemia]

Go to wall street. Make your money as a professional liar and defrauder and then build your own medical school and get honorary degree. Will only set you back 20 or so years.

 

[Dodger79]

The problem they are going to have is one of integrity. There will always in the back of somebody's mind I wonder what else they did and didn't admit to or got caught doing.

 

[doc05]

OP - please just forget about medicine and choose another career. You'll save yourself lots of disappointment down the road.

your numbers, etc, are good, but you're not special. adcoms don't like liars, forgers, and criminals. neither do patients.