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[TryingMyBest0]

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Rush and Loyola expect far more clinical and non clinical volunteering hours than you have. You could add any of these schools:
Western Michigan
TCU
Hofstra
New York Medical College
UMass
Colorado
USF Morsani

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Can you explain why you believe your ideal schools are Iowa and Einstein?

I also think you need much more clinical experience. You should avoid getting screened out with 150 hours, but if you intend to swim in a pool for a brand-name medical school offer, you will need at least 250 hours at submission.

Everyone does tutoring, and fundraising doesn't count towards service orientation. However, if correctional medicine is an interest, build your hours working those in prison and those newly released. Get at least 150 hours at submission.

As an Illinois resident, you should consider

Division of Correctional Medicine | Department of Medicine | University of Illinois College of Medicine

chicago.medicine.uic.edu

Correctional Medicine | SIU School of Medicine

www.siumed.edu

IU School of Medicine Correctional Medicine Student Outreach Project

Background: This project was founded on the basis that correctional medicine is an important component frequently missing from medical school curriculums. Opportunities to participate in medical care within correctional facilities, while concurrently engaging in discussions about the...

scholarworks.indianapolis.iu.edu

Home

accpmed.org

Academy of Correctional Health Professionals - Home

The Academy of Correctional Health Professionals is a community for correctional health care. Correctional health care education and networking

www.correctionalhealth.org

 

[TryingMyBest0]

Can you explain why you believe your ideal schools are Iowa and Einstein?

I also think you need much more clinical experience. You should avoid getting screened out with 150 hours, but if you intend to swim in a pool for a brand-name medical school offer, you will need at least 250 hours at submission.

Everyone does tutoring, and fundraising doesn't count towards service orientation. However, if correctional medicine is an interest, build your hours working those in prison and those newly released. Get at least 150 hours at submission.

As an Illinois resident, you should consider

Division of Correctional Medicine | Department of Medicine | University of Illinois College of Medicine

chicago.medicine.uic.edu

Correctional Medicine | SIU School of Medicine

www.siumed.edu

IU School of Medicine Correctional Medicine Student Outreach Project

Background: This project was founded on the basis that correctional medicine is an important component frequently missing from medical school curriculums. Opportunities to participate in medical care within correctional facilities, while concurrently engaging in discussions about the...

scholarworks.indianapolis.iu.edu

Home

accpmed.org

Academy of Correctional Health Professionals - Home

The Academy of Correctional Health Professionals is a community for correctional health care. Correctional health care education and networking

www.correctionalhealth.org

I felt like Iowa seemed like a good fit on paper both with MCAT/GPA, and I love their Children's hospital and both of my parents went to Iowa (for undergrad). Einstein has some amazing research opportunities and is in new york, which is where I would like to end up.

I am aware that everyone does tutoring, but isn't how I write about it most important? I enjoy teaching in a correctional facility but am unsure if I would want to practice medicine in one. Is 250+ really the bare minimum on what I would need to swim with the fishes for a "brand name" med school? I should note that I am a senior in college right and plan on taking a gap year (or two) if I don't have the necessary clinical hours before I apply.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

I am aware that everyone does tutoring, but isn't how I write about it most important? I enjoy teaching in a correctional facility but am unsure if I would want to practice medicine in one. Is 250+ really the bare minimum on what I would need to swim with the fishes for a "brand name" med school? I should note that I am a senior in college right and plan on taking a gap year (or two) if I don't have the necessary clinical hours before I apply.

You are interested in doing triathlons (or half-tri) and you don't understand the concept of competitiveness? The more 'prestigious' the prize, the higher quality the competition. Even an "open" marathon usually asks for its medal competitors to have achieved some qualification time. You need the hours before you submit your application.

Yes, how you describe your experiences is important, but you have to get over the screening rubrics first. Ideally if it informs your purpose and mission as a physician, that will help, especially if the program has support for students who want to do outreach into correctional medicine. Hence, my suggestions.

Medicine and Mass Incarceration: Education and Advocacy in the New York City Jail System

A correctional health educational initiative for medical students and residents, as well as curriculum development and physician advocacy, is discussed.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

 

[TryingMyBest0]

You are interested in doing triathlons (or half-tri) and you don't understand the concept of competitiveness? The more 'prestigious' the prize, the higher quality the competition. Even an "open" marathon usually asks for its medal competitors to have achieved some qualification time. You need the hours before you submit your application.

Yes, how you describe your experiences is important, but you have to get over the screening rubrics first. Ideally if it informs your purpose and mission as a physician, that will help, especially if the program has support for students who want to do outreach into correctional medicine. Hence, my suggestions.

Medicine and Mass Incarceration: Education and Advocacy in the New York City Jail System

A correctional health educational initiative for medical students and residents, as well as curriculum development and physician advocacy, is discussed.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org

Hah I am all too familiar with the competitive nature of half distance tris. It looks like I will either need to amass these hours over the next 6-8 months or might have to take a second gap year. Do you have any guidance in which you think would be the better option?

At the moment I am struggling to find a clinical job that would help me gain the benchmark hours necessary (the 250 that you have suggested); I guess what I am saying is that I am slightly lost.

If I may ask, is it really that reasonable for medical schools expect applicants to have this grand idea of who they serve versus what they want to do before even attending medical school. I have been led to believe a lot of students don't really know until well into school.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Hah I am all too familiar with the competitive nature of half distance tris. It looks like I will either need to amass these hours over the next 6-8 months or might have to take a second gap year. Do you have any guidance in which you think would be the better option?

At the moment I am struggling to find a clinical job that would help me gain the benchmark hours necessary (the 250 that you have suggested); I guess what I am saying is that I am slightly lost.

If I may ask, is it really that reasonable for medical schools expect applicants to have this grand idea of who they serve versus what they want to do before even attending medical school. I have been led to believe a lot of students don't really know until well into school.

Again, 150 should be sufficient for clinical experience, but the more you have, the stronger your candidacy given the strength of the pool.

250 hours is about 10 hours a week for 25 weeks; in the best case scenario, you already have 60 hours (sure, I think tutoring math/writing/reading in jail is very different from the same in a traditional classroom setting or to college peers, but I don't always make those calls in file discussions). You can also see if there are opportunities to help with other services in the correctional facility when it comes to transition to life outside jail (re-entry rehabilitation if you are allowed). Again, argue your mission fit for us.

FWIW anyone can correct me if they consider Iowa or Einstein a T20. Each has its own unique brand, but not everyone outside of the medical community "knows" Iowa or Einstein the same way they recognize the Ivys or Michigan. I know, it's a stupid subjective game.

 

[TryingMyBest0]

Again, 150 should be sufficient for clinical experience, but the more you have, the stronger your candidacy given the strength of the pool.

250 hours is about 10 hours a week for 25 weeks; in the best case scenario, you already have 60 hours (sure, I think tutoring math/writing/reading in jail is very different from the same in a traditional classroom setting or to college peers, but I don't always make those calls in file discussions). You can also see if there are opportunities to help with other services in the correctional facility when it comes to transition to life outside jail (re-entry rehabilitation if you are allowed). Again, argue your mission fit for us.

FWIW anyone can correct me if they consider Iowa or Einstein a T20. Each has its own unique brand, but not everyone outside of the medical community "knows" Iowa or Einstein the same way they recognize the Ivys or Michigan. I know, it's a stupid subjective game.

This all makes sense and I really appreciate it. I am not married to the idea of going to a T20--I just think that with my stats it would be a shame to not try at all. I appreciate the insight. Really hoping to bump up my hours so that I am able to apply in the 2025 cycle this June. If I have any other questions could I PM you?

I wish med school apps were less of jumping through so many hoops and hurdles, but I want to be a doctor so I suppose I ought to be proficient at jumping through hoops.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

I wish med school apps were less of jumping through so many hoops and hurdles, but I want to be a doctor so I suppose I ought to be proficient at jumping through hoops.

Until getting into medical school loses its appeal as a stamp of social status (attainment), or the applicant pool craters, expect the hoops and remain flexible. (Our Spring 2024 survey suggests that those applicants with 5+ interviews should prepare for 6+ interview formats (virtual, in-person, Kira, SJT, MMI, traditional, group, case/simulation...).

If you want fewer hoops, there's always: law, business, podiatry, pharmacy, nursing RN, ...

 

[TryingMyBest0]

Until getting into medical school loses its appeal as a stamp of social status (attainment), or the applicant pool craters, expect the hoops and remain flexible. (Our Spring 2024 survey suggests that those applicants with 5+ interviews should prepare for 6+ interview formats (virtual, in-person, Kira, SJT, MMI, traditional, group, case/simulation...).

If you want fewer hoops, there's always: law, business, podiatry, pharmacy, nursing RN, ...

Totally get that, but I want to go into medicine so I will remain flexible to all the hoop jumping.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Totally get that, but I want to go into medicine so I will remain flexible to all the hoop jumping.

Understood... I'm also inferring: get used to it. And understand, you gotta jump high. No matter how tiring it becomes, keep jumping 10 feet high.