Naturopathic remedies vs Allopathic

[SpecterGT260]

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I am a traditonal midwife (went to an accredited midwifery school, one of only eleven in the US). In addition I have extensive training in homeopathy, botanical medicine, and nutrition. I want to go to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic, doesnt matter to me). I think my previous training and education will be an asset to future patients. I also have a psychology degree and I am pursuing upper level psychology classes in addition to completing the premedical prerequisites (and a biology degree) because I believe, it too, will be an asset to future patients.

Google Aviva Romm. She was (is) a traditional midwife, and homeopathic practioner. She graduated from Yale medical school. She is a doctor now. Yale has asked her to teach.

You shouldnt be so quick to trash something you know nothing about.

I know a good bit about it. I'm shocked your psych degree never exposed you to concepts of blind acceptance, placebo, and the problems that can arise when these things coincide with various forms of bias.

Of all the alternative practices out there, homeopathy is definitively debunked. "Accreditation" as you use it means nothing here. As a self regulated institution, you could have an accreditation Jedi academy in our system with no complaint.

The problem is you say you are "trained", but in reality you ingested a good number of pseudo facts at face value while lacking the understanding or motivation required to identify the problems in what you were presented with. I apologize if this seems harsh, but the "you don't know" argument falls apart rather quickly when you are defending something so overtly intellectually juvenile. You might as well argue that the world is flat and "we just don't understand".

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[SpecterGT260]

Actually, anyone who knows "anything about" basic science, physics, and chemistry (I am talking high school level here) can tell you why homeopathy is complete and utter bunk. It has already been explained above. If you have actual scientific evidence or scientific methods that explain how homeopathy would work, by all means share them here, I am as open as anyone else to new methods of treatment, provided they are actually based on science, facts, and evidence. Appeals to authority and "you don't have extensive training in homeopathy like I do, so you don't know what you are talking about" don't cut it in the scientific world, sorry.👎

Appeal to authority. Good catch 👍 one of the many logical problems here.


A major problem with the alternativists and even the mid levels to a lesser degree is not knowing what they don't know. They don't own their education to a doctoral level, and when they think they do it is only further evidence of the lack in understanding. I see them take knowledge for granted in a "that's just how it is" approach and think that suffices. I have a sore spot for midwives as well after the Hopkins case last year. I think pandering to the natural whims of patients actually has no benefit to public health and flies in the face of societal progress. Its absurd to its core.


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[487806]

I am a traditonal midwife (went to an accredited midwifery school, one of only eleven in the US). In addition I have extensive training in homeopathy, botanical medicine, and nutrition. I want to go to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic, doesnt matter to me). I think my previous training and education will be an asset to future patients. I also have a psychology degree and I am pursuing upper level psychology classes in addition to completing the premedical prerequisites (and a biology degree) because I believe, it too, will be an asset to future patients.

Google Aviva Romm. She was (is) a traditional midwife, and homeopathic practioner. She graduated from Yale medical school. She is a doctor now. Yale has asked her to teach.

You shouldnt be so quick to trash something you know nothing about.

Simply put, homeopathy = pseudoscience

 

[SpecterGT260]

Four of us. 😀

You were right.

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[yehhhboiii]

I am a traditonal midwife (went to an accredited midwifery school, one of only eleven in the US). In addition I have extensive training in homeopathy, botanical medicine, and nutrition. I want to go to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic, doesnt matter to me). I think my previous training and education will be an asset to future patients. I also have a psychology degree and I am pursuing upper level psychology classes in addition to completing the premedical prerequisites (and a biology degree) because I believe, it too, will be an asset to future patients.

Google Aviva Romm. She was (is) a traditional midwife, and homeopathic practioner. She graduated from Yale medical school. She is a doctor now. Yale has asked her to teach.

You shouldnt be so quick to trash something you know nothing about.

Dr. Oz has an MD from UPenn and that doesn't stop him from promoting some really bizarre things like energy healing.

 

[touchpause13]

Dr. Oz has an MD from UPenn and that doesn't stop him from promoting some really bizarre things like energy healing.

ugh TV docs drive me nuts. Dr. Drew is even worse, I hate that guy.

 

[SpecterGT260]

They are sellouts.

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[Medstart108]

One of my colleagues is a Naturopathic medical student, needless to say she is gung ho about homeopathic remedies and doing everything possible to avoid using drugs and surgery to treat an affliction. One conversation we were having was about whether or not vitamin C and echinacea employment was supeorior to that of a vaccine in fortifying ones immune system from viruses. I reasoned that the immune system learns best from experience, and that it would be better equipt to fight off a viral attack if it had already seen the viral protiens before (or in the case of influenza a close variation of the proteins from the season before). She disagreed and thought that vitimin C and echinacea were better for the patient and more effective (not sure where she got her information from, I interpreted it as conjecture).

Just curious about what everyone else opinions are and if there is any empirical evidence that demonstrates why a vaccine would be better than a more naturopathic approach.

Vitamin C and echinacea are possibly good for your immune system. They clearly aren't better than a vaccine but the funny thing is, these remedies seem to work for those who believe in them (placebo effect?).

Really, i think there needs to be a balance of both naturopathic and allopathic. Although, being a med student, I don't like people who literally distrust doctors and believe everything they say is phony which sort of sounds like your ND friend lol.

 

[lobo.solo]

If I don't make it into med school, I'll become a shaman.

 

[JGimpel]

She won't be. They only have Rx rights in 6 states and even then it is limited. They don't get hospital rights that I have ever heard, so she can open a vitamin and herb shop and call herself doctor and put her stethoscope in backwards to check out a patient before prescribing some grass clippings and an implied "go see a real doctor when this gets worse". With her strong and misinformed opinions she will likely get sued at some point for really hurting someone..... unless its another crazy who goes to the hospital when it is too little too late and then they sue the real docs.... that happens some times 🙁

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Funniest thing I've read in days. Soiled lab coat.

But seriously folks:
Serial dilution belongs back in UG Micro lab. Dilute anything and it becomes less effective. Look to diet beer and antibiotics for evidence-based findings for that stuff.

Any patient given anything soaked in 40-proof alcohol is going to feel better, if not drunk afterwards. Drunken placebo effect does not constitute a medical treatment.

I'm going to skip a few steps and put a few droppers of Jack Daniels into my coffee and will let you know what it does for me today.

High-dose Niacin is rumored to help the immune system along with the relatively minor in vivo lipid lowering effects, but I have exactly zero links for that. All the rest barely have more than n=15 studies to go off of.

Any parent preventing their child from getting vaccinated will have a phone call made on their behalf and I'll let the courts rule how much longer that will happen for.