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Eek--2-3 years? Hope it doesn't change by the time I take it. The USMLE is a beast of an exam, so any move towards that would give me heart palpitations.
 
NStarz said:
Eek--2-3 years? Hope it doesn't change by the time I take it. The USMLE is a beast of an exam, so any move towards that would give me heart palpitations.
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Ditto, I hope I eek in just before that 2-3 year switch over and get the multiple guess NAVLE.
 
Ugh, I will not be looking forward to this if it happens to us. My ex in the UK thought about taking the USMLE but decided to not keep up with preparations as some of the material didn't coincide with when they learned things. Obviously it would match our scheduling, but from what he mentioned to me, it didn't sound fun.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if it was tested out on c/o 2017. For the traditional students in my class, we were the guinea pigs for the new SAT (HS c/o 2009) and the new GRE (undergrad c/o 2013)....why not round it out with the NAVLE? Apparently national tests have it out for those of us born in 90/91 haha.
 
So.. the article doesn't specifically say what changes they're hoping to bring to the NAVLE just that it will be changing and they want it closer to the USMLE. Am I right?
 
Rwwilliams said:
So.. the article doesn't specifically say what changes they're hoping to bring to the NAVLE just that it will be changing and they want it closer to the USMLE. Am I right?
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That's what I understood. Only detail I got from this article is that there was going to be more than just multiple choice questions...
 
That's pretty interesting...especially the blurb about there being stages of the exam taken throughout your years in school instead of just one big test at the end. And I don't see anything wrong with patient simulators or communication skills being test material either (if that's the direction they're going).
 
DVMDream said:
I will hope that 2016 can sneak in before this change. Not that I think it would be a bad change, I just don't want to be part of the guinea pig class for it.
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I agree... I want to stick with what I know the test is like and be able to use the current resources for the test. Also I am not sure how they would do the test staging and if it would end up costing us more in the long run....
 
devyn said:
I agree... I want to stick with what I know the test is like and be able to use the current resources for the test. Also I am not sure how they would do the test staging and if it would end up costing us more in the long run....
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Also, if they are going to really make it similar to the USMLE, wouldn't it have to be implemented with a starting class going into vet school or a class in their second year? Since each step happens at a specific time during the program, i.e Step 1 after second year. So, it wouldn't make sense to have it change suddenly and be given to vet students already in 3rd or final year. Unless they have something else in mind. I kind of doubt it would be fully developed and read to go by 2016 or even 2017 seeing as the contract between the two group hasn't even been finalized.
 
DVMDream said:
Also, if they are going to really make it similar to the USMLE, wouldn't it have to be implemented with a starting class going into vet school or a class in their second year? Since each step happens at a specific time during the program, i.e Step 1 after second year. So, it wouldn't make sense to have it change suddenly and be given to vet students already in 3rd or final year. Unless they have something else in mind. I kind of doubt it would be fully developed and read to go by 2016 or even 2017 seeing as the contract between the two group hasn't even been finalized.
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That's what I was thinking too. I don't think they could use it on even the c/o 2018.
 
DVMDream said:
Also, if they are going to really make it similar to the USMLE, wouldn't it have to be implemented with a starting class going into vet school or a class in their second year? Since each step happens at a specific time during the program, i.e Step 1 after second year. So, it wouldn't make sense to have it change suddenly and be given to vet students already in 3rd or final year. Unless they have something else in mind. I kind of doubt it would be fully developed and read to go by 2016 or even 2017 seeing as the contract between the two group hasn't even been finalized.
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yeah I think they would have to wait and use it on a class they could go the entire way through with if they format it that way
 
We already kinda do something like the step program here, the end of the first semester of vet school we take a "milestone" ( a written exam) and then an a practical applied exam. This is repeated at the end of third year write before students move into clinics.
 
This is also going to be a problem because each veterinary program is so different. If they implement this everyone is going to have to teach the same material the same way at the same time. Then it truly wont matter what school you go to.
 
WelshCob said:
This is also going to be a problem because each veterinary program is so different. If they implement this everyone is going to have to teach the same material the same way at the same time. Then it truly wont matter what school you go to.
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I honestly don't think this is going to be a problem because it's not like every medical school teaches the same way and all med students still end up taking (and passing) the USMLE. And regardless of the differences, every vet program is preparing you to become a well-rounded vet. So your educational background/program/school shouldn't matter, IMO.
 
cadisestrama said:
I honestly don't think this is going to be a problem because it's not like every medical school teaches the same way and all med students still end up taking (and passing) the USMLE. And regardless of the differences, every vet program is preparing you to become a well-rounded vet. So your educational background/program/school shouldn't matter, IMO.
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But it does. I know some vet schools are currently for my year going over a systems based approach with their clinical classes...so they will have a gastroenterology course and go over all gastroenterology for dog, cat, sheep, cow, horse, etc.

My school has a species based approach.... we are doing all the clinical medicine courses on dogs and cats right now and won't do large animal/equine/exotics until next year.

So, if they did an exam after second year of say all of gastroenterology diseases, I would not be able to answer anything about horse/cow/sheep/pig/etc. And anyone who attends a school where say they do cardiology second semester of 2nd year and gastroenterology 1st semester of 3rd year would be at a disadvantage.
 
DVMDream said:
But it does. I know some vet schools are currently for my year going over a systems based approach with their clinical classes...so they will have a gastroenterology course and go over all gastroenterology for dog, cat, sheep, cow, horse, etc.

My school has a species based approach.... we are doing all the clinical medicine courses on dogs and cats right now and won't do large animal/equine/exotics until next year.

So, if they did an exam after second year of say all of gastroenterology diseases, I would not be able to answer anything about horse/cow/sheep/pig/etc. And anyone who attends a school where say they do cardiology second semester of 2nd year and gastroenterology 1st semester of 3rd year would be at a disadvantage.
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Oh I see. Well I guess the reason why USMLE Step 1 is after 2nd year is because generally rotations in medical school start in 3rd year, so maybe if they adapt the NAVLE it'll be whenever you finish all your courses and begin rotations (so after 3rd year then?) I dunno. I mean I don't the specifics of the new NAVLE. 😛
 
cadisestrama said:
Oh I see. Well I guess the reason why USMLE Step 1 is after 2nd year is because generally rotations in medical school start in 3rd year, so maybe if they adapt the NAVLE it'll be whenever you finish all your courses and begin rotations (so after 3rd year then?) I dunno. I mean I don't the specifics of the new NAVLE. 😛
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Yeah, that is kind of why I am not sure how a new NAVLE similar to USMLE will work. Because vet school curricula are so different. So might have to make it one large exam at the end of the schooling (like it is now) but with different/new sections to it.... Hopefully we just won't have to worry about it.
 
devyn said:
Also I am not sure how they would do the test staging and if it would end up costing us more in the long run....
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Uh… this is a rhetorical question right? Ain't no doubt what is going to happen to cost.
 
If they move to a multiple exam system this could really eff me over as I have started with c/o 2017 but will be taking 2-3 years off to graduate with 2019 or 2020. If they phased in a step thing in that time I'd have to somehow do that while working on dissertation work.
 
Why do I have the feeling that I'm going to end up in the guinea pig class for this if I get accepted? :nono:
Changes to the test itself so it wouldn't just be multiple choice would probably be fine (though it would really suck not to have resources to help prepare for it) but I can't see how they would implement something like the multistep testing program. From what I can tell, all the schools are pretty much all over place with when they teach certain things. Unless it was tailored to the particular schools, I really don't see that kind of program working.
 
shortnsweet said:
It's already $900 for us abroad kids...plus whatever state you choose.
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And that's for a multiple choice test administered once.
As the article implies, the cost to change to more of a med format is going cost bucks… who is gonna pay?
 
StartingoverVet said:
And that's for a multiple choice test administered once.
As the article implies, the cost to change to more of a med format is going cost bucks… who is gonna pay?
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No idea how the cost would be affected. I'm just glad I never have to see that exam ever again.

Depending on how many "Steps" vet med would get, this is what the current USMLE costs are:

Step 1
$580* Three month eligibility periods beginning November 1, 2013 - January 31, 2014 and ending October 1, 2014 - December 31, 2014
Step 2 CK
$580*
Step 1 and 2CK
$65 Eligibility Period Extension (requests received starting January 1, 2014)
Step 2 CS
$1,230 For completed applications received starting January 1, 2014.
 
WildZoo said:
Why do I have the feeling that I'm going to end up in the guinea pig class for this if I get accepted? :nono:
Changes to the test itself so it wouldn't just be multiple choice would probably be fine (though it would really suck not to have resources to help prepare for it) but I can't see how they would implement something like the multistep testing program. From what I can tell, all the schools are pretty much all over place with when they teach certain things. Unless it was tailored to the particular schools, I really don't see that kind of program working.
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Yeah I agree, I have a feeling that if I get accepted, I would be one of the guinea pigs being c/o 2019.... Especially with the set up of it starting in your second year, they would essentially have it all nice and ready for us (if we get in) in our 2nd year if it takes them three years to change it. Going to love the lack of study materials..... Its going to be unfortunate in my opinion if all of the vet schools have to switch to a fully standardized approach to teaching the material, variation in terms of how a person learns best should be a factor when choosing a school...
 
shortnsweet said:
No idea how the cost would be affected. I'm just glad I never have to see that exam ever again.

Depending on how many "Steps" vet med would get, this is what the current USMLE costs are:

Step 1
$580* Three month eligibility periods beginning November 1, 2013 - January 31, 2014 and ending October 1, 2014 - December 31, 2014
Step 2 CK
$580*
Step 1 and 2CK
$65 Eligibility Period Extension (requests received starting January 1, 2014)
Step 2 CS
$1,230 For completed applications received starting January 1, 2014.
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:wow:
SummerTheLynx said:
Yeah I agree, I have a feeling that if I get accepted, I would be one of the guinea pigs being c/o 2019.... Especially with the set up of it starting in your second year, they would essentially have it all nice and ready for us (if we get in) in our 2nd year if it takes them three years to change it. Going to love the lack of study materials..... Its going to be unfortunate in my opinion if all of the vet schools have to switch to a fully standardized approach to teaching the material, variation in terms of how a person learns best should be a factor when choosing a school...
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Agree completely. I don't want to be a guinea pig 🙁
 
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