25% percent growth, yet no data on the ever increasing number of pharmacists being pumped out of diploma mills. Average class of UIC is over 200 by itself. Add up all the pharmacy schools across the country, plus all the new one's opening up... it should scare you. 69,700 new jobs over 10 years = only 6790 new jobs per year. There's more than 33 pharmacy schools in the country LOL (200 grads per year * 33 schools = 6600 more competitors for your job). These stats are pretty depressing.
25% percent growth, yet no data on the ever increasing number of pharmacists being pumped out of diploma mills. Average class of UIC is over 200 by itself. Add up all the pharmacy schools across the country, plus all the new one's opening up... it should scare you. 69,700 new jobs over 10 years = only 6790 new jobs per year. There's more than 33 pharmacy schools in the country LOL (200 grads per year * 33 schools = 6600 more competitors for your job). These stats are pretty depressing.
1. I'm going to be a new student this fall at a relatively new pharmacy school.. I'm not a fan of the "diploma mill" phrase
2. You mean we will actually have to COMPETE for jobs? How DO people DO it??
25% percent growth, yet no data on the ever increasing number of pharmacists being pumped out of diploma mills. Average class of UIC is over 200 by itself. Add up all the pharmacy schools across the country, plus all the new one's opening up... it should scare you. 69,700 new jobs over 10 years = only 6790 new jobs per year. There's more than 33 pharmacy schools in the country LOL (200 grads per year * 33 schools = 6600 more competitors for your job). These stats are pretty depressing.
NAPLEX passing rates don't prove anything, because they increase and decrease yearly. In fact, in 2011, every single school was above 80%.Actually NABP publishes NAPLEX passrates which include student population. Just thought I'd put that out there.
I still don't see how this is different from any other profession. Those with experience, a strong resume, a strong network from a good school will be more competitive. Fight to the finish!
NAPLEX passing rates don't prove anything, because they increase and decrease yearly. In fact, in 2011, every single school was above 80%.
It's different, because you have serious debt and can not pay it off without loads of cash in your bank account or a job. How would I pay my $1,500 a month student loan payment without a job?
NAPLEX passing rates don't prove anything, because they increase and decrease yearly. In fact, in 2011, every single school was above 80%.
It's different, because you have serious debt and can not pay it off without loads of cash in your bank account or a job. How would I pay my $1,500 a month student loan payment without a job?
Shut the schools down? Then I wouldn't have a license. So in 2010, are you going to shut down all of the HBCU schools and Peurto Rico, because their passing rates were below 80%? Talk about a lawsuit on your hands.Exactly. It's actually super accurate. You have the exact number of students and the pass rate. You can even calculate the number of grads out in your state and compare it to market saturation, new pharmacies, etc. etc.
If a pharmacy school has less than 96% passrate I would run..but below 80...shut down already.
C'mon now. I know pharmacist need to take statistics in undergrad. Let's not be lazy.
Honestly, I don't know what the dude's thinking.I think Parklife was just trying to point out that one could use the number of candidates passing as a tool to get a good idea of how many Pharmacists are entering the workforce for a given year...not necessarily what the passing rates were/are. At least that is what I gathered from his/her post.
I think Parklife was just trying to point out that one could use the number of candidates passing as a tool to get a good idea of how many Pharmacists are entering the workforce for a given year...not necessarily what the passing rates were/are. At least that is what I gathered from his/her post.
Shut the schools down? Then I wouldn't have a license. So in 2010, are you going to shut down all of the HBCU schools and Peurto Rico, because their passing rates were below 80%? Talk about a lawsuit on your hands.
You have no clue.
Honestly, I don't know what the dude's thinking.
If a pharmacy school has less than 96% passrate I would run..but below 80...shut down already.
Just in case anyone is interested, I was bored so I added up all the candidates that sat for the NAPLEX in 2011 and it totaled 7695. Given an average or rough passing rate at around ~94%, the math can easily be done on how many people entered the workforce as a registered Pharmacist. With new schools popping up and other dynamic changes, this number will only increase.
http://www.nabp.net/programs/assets/NAPLEX passing rates.pdf
That's not really indicative of who is entering the workforce. Some people will take the NAPLEX and then don't work full-time or don't work at all.Yup.
Yes? Why would you want someone without accreditation as your health professional?
That's not really indicative of who is entering the workforce. Some people will take the NAPLEX and then don't work full-time or don't work at all.
My score was over 100, a good score. What are we talking about again? Oh, your perception of what makes a pharmacy school a bad pharmacy school. Hmmmm... maybe try going to pharmacy school first.
Ugh, why do people still have a massive boner for NAPLEX pass rates? Do prepharms/pharm students still not realize that this test isn't a valid indicator of anything?
1. I'm going to be a new student this fall at a relatively new pharmacy school.. I'm not a fan of the "diploma mill" phrase
2. You mean we will actually have to COMPETE for jobs? How DO people DO it??
P.S. I think all the doom and gloomer positions have been filled. Please apply at a later date.
Uhm... in order to compete for a job, there has to be a job in the first place. Think of this as the Hunger games. There are 400 graduates fighting for 1 spot to make it out alive. Okay 2, if the rules are changed. Not really a competition if you think about it
May the odds be in your favor.
Does that make sense? I dont think pre pharmacy students under the severity of their situation.
Chill out folks. You have 30 million people without insurance getting insurance very soon. You think those people that haven't had health coverage in forever aren't going to have a few Rx for you to fill?
Chill out folks. You have 30 million people without insurance getting insurance very soon.
Not after the ribbing the ACA got with the SCOTUS this week
Not after the ribbing the ACA got with the SCOTUS this week
lol...i'm apparently getting schooled by a pre-pharm about...pharmacy.
Finish pharm school and come talk to me about what you think re: US news rankings, BLS stats, and NAPLEX.
And I never said undergrad rigor or SAT/ACT scores are useless...quite the contrary. Now you're just making things up.
Man what's with idiot pre-pharms taking a mental dump in the pharmacy forums? Go back to your WAMC and salary threads!
They are going to throw out the mandate to buy insurance. They aren't going to throw out the medicaid piece. I am not sure they will throw out the mandate. The government makes you buy stuff all the time.
I really don't know about the severability issue. One of the justices made a good point that exercising judicial restraint may very well require them to throw out the whole law because rescinding only the mandate results in a very different law than what congress intended.
And what stuff does government make you buy on the private market without a corresponding choice to not buy? Car insurance? take the bus!
Make it a different law....It will do that for sure.
There was some history of them making people buy stuff based on career choices, but you have a good point...they could get a job in a different field. Then again, the law didn't force you to buy insurance....you could pay whatever they called the penalty "tax". Just like you could ride the bus. It will very likely go 5-4 to strike at least part of it down.
I think the law is crap myself, but I did a lot of accounting for hospitals back in the day. They are totally getting hosed on the uninsured, and a lot of the hospitals at least around here are government owned or not for profit. Also, they pass on those cost to those that can pay via higher cost to paying customers. Taxpayers are paying either way (directly or indirectly) ....at least this way some people are being forced to pay something directly.
That said....it really screws younger health citizens for the benefit of the older sick citizens.
People sick are going to crash healthcare providers somewhere...clinics, ER, or doctor's offices depending on their finances. They are cost the system more money by not getting cheaper Tx early to avoid the expensive Tx given in the ER. It makes sense to eat the cheaper cost to avoid the end cost from a business point of view if you are the payer either way (government through medicaid on the drugs or the owner of the hospital force to give free care in ER).
And what stuff does government make you buy on the private market without a corresponding choice to not buy? Car insurance? take the bus!
That's the thing that really gets me. If there are so few jobs available, and such a glut of new pharmacists waiting for positions, why the heck do companies keep these old duffers employed? I worked with a pharmacist (not sure of the age) who told me "I can't hear very well, so if there's a phone call, it's for you... I'm to old to learn the ins and outs of the computer system, so anything advanced is up to you." This guy was a per diem, so it's not like I had to deal with him often, only on rare occasion, but still.3 pharmacist at my workplace : 2 over 80 and 1 over 66, they are as ineffective as it can be; as a matter of fact, they create burden on others, and they won't retire.
Jobs nowadays are hard, and that student loan debt is just ...so threatening...
lol...i'm apparently getting schooled by a pre-pharm about...pharmacy.
Finish pharm school and come talk to me about what you think re: US news rankings, BLS stats, and NAPLEX.
And I never said undergrad rigor or SAT/ACT scores are useless...quite the contrary. Now you're just making things up.
Man what's with idiot pre-pharms taking a mental dump in the pharmacy forums? Go back to your WAMC and salary threads!
That's the thing that really gets me. If there are so few jobs available, and such a glut of new pharmacists waiting for positions, why the heck do companies keep these old duffers employed? I worked with a pharmacist (not sure of the age) who told me "I can't hear very well, so if there's a phone call, it's for you... I'm to old to learn the ins and outs of the computer system, so anything advanced is up to you." This guy was a per diem, so it's not like I had to deal with him often, only on rare occasion, but still.
I know you can't "age discriminate" but this is performance based. You can't do the job, or do it poorly. Let a strapping young lad such as myself take the position.
1. I'm going to be a new student this fall at a relatively new pharmacy school.. I'm not a fan of the "diploma mill" phrase
2. You mean we will actually have to COMPETE for jobs? How DO people DO it??
P.S. I think all the doom and gloomer positions have been filled. Please apply at a later date.
That's the thing that really gets me. If there are so few jobs available, and such a glut of new pharmacists waiting for positions, why the heck do companies keep these old duffers employed? I worked with a pharmacist (not sure of the age) who told me "I can't hear very well, so if there's a phone call, it's for you... I'm to old to learn the ins and outs of the computer system, so anything advanced is up to you." This guy was a per diem, so it's not like I had to deal with him often, only on rare occasion, but still.
I know you can't "age discriminate" but this is performance based. You can't do the job, or do it poorly. Let a strapping young lad such as myself take the position.
PharmDstudent. Don't be a jerk just because I joked with you about calling someone sexist. Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you don't need to hold a vendetta against me every time I post.
You just have no clue. It's painful to watch. Sorry...
Looking at your past posts your main argument is usually "pre-pharm doesn't know ****" when you insult pre-pharm students for just "considering" pharmacy.
I'm not trying to school you at all. Obviously I don't know as much about pharmacy. You don't know me. How could you even judge by a name plate on an online forum? I don't see a pharmacist verification badge on your profile. You might not even be a pharmacist. Interestingly enough, most of the strongest doom and gloom proponents don't. I mean you can think whatever you want...I can only look at placement, proof, statistics, and numbers. If you think BLS is less reliable than some dude on a forum then that statement speaks for itself. I have to use the resources I have available. It's not 100% but it's accurate enough.
Just because a random pharmacist on some forum said something does not make it true. Everything here is anecdote and opinion. We're not in a lab conducting science. No one knows for sure. lol @ how neither of you answered my question at what pharmacy school you went to... and they say scores don't matter. To those of you who contributed to this thread, thanks. To those of you who just insulted me and other pre-pharms, get out of here..
Rxlea, as an admin I would think you would be a little more considerate towards your younger members. This is STUDENTdoctor.net. All you miserable pharmacists need to find somewhere else to play. I come here looking for feedback and all I get are shelled out and angry pharmacists who spend hours on end online. 7+ years? Yikes! Well, alrighty then! I mean i understand constructive criticisim and being honest, but seriously. Look at your posts guys. Just look at them. "idiot pre-pharms" "boner for NAPLEX" really? What a Joke. Who's more immature you or me? How can people like this even get into professional school. America has such low standards.
In all honesty, I appreciate all of your feedback(pharmDstudent and confetti as well) on this thread. I will continue to explore my options in pharmacy and other professions, while evaluating the job market. I will continue take advice from my vandy undergrad and UK grad pharmacist/physician mentor and people of the like.
Good luck to all the pre-pharm/pharm students/pharmacists who are down on their luck.
Looking at your past posts your main argument is usually "pre-pharm doesn't know ****" when you insult pre-pharm students for just "considering" pharmacy.
I'm not trying to school you at all. Obviously I don't know as much about pharmacy. You don't know me. How could you even judge by a name plate on an online forum? I don't see a pharmacist verification badge on your profile. You might not even be a pharmacist. Interestingly enough, most of the strongest doom and gloom proponents don't. I mean you can think whatever you want...I can only look at placement, proof, statistics, and numbers. If you think BLS is less reliable than some dude on a forum then that statement speaks for itself. I have to use the resources I have available. It's not 100% but it's accurate enough.
Just because a random pharmacist on some forum said something does not make it true. Everything here is anecdote and opinion. We're not in a lab conducting science. No one knows for sure. lol @ how neither of you answered my question at what pharmacy school you went to... and they say scores don't matter. To those of you who contributed to this thread, thanks. To those of you who just insulted me and other pre-pharms, get out of here..
Rxlea, as an admin I would think you would be a little more considerate towards your younger members. This is STUDENTdoctor.net. All you miserable pharmacists need to find somewhere else to play. I come here looking for feedback and all I get are shelled out and angry pharmacists who spend hours on end online. 7+ years? Yikes! Well, alrighty then! I mean i understand constructive criticisim and being honest, but seriously. Look at your posts guys. Just look at them. "idiot pre-pharms" "boner for NAPLEX" really? What a Joke. Who's more immature you or me? How can people like this even get into professional school. America has such low standards.
In all honesty, I appreciate all of your feedback(pharmDstudent and confetti as well) on this thread. I will continue to explore my options in pharmacy and other professions, while evaluating the job market. I will continue take advice from my vandy undergrad and UK grad pharmacist/physician mentor and people of the like.
Good luck to all the pre-pharm/pharm students/pharmacists who are down on their luck.
Prepharms dont know crap. pharm students are almost as clueless. Most pharmacists whos been stuck in one job for a whle are typically clueless. they are especially cluless because they dont know what they dont know. So...there you have it. I thought your arguing with dumb pharmacists on sdn made you decide to not pursue pharm.
Wait untill you are the "old duffy" and I bet you will have a different opinion.
Using your logic lets just euthanize anyone over say the age of 65. They are just a non productive burden on society right?
After all a young strapping lad like yourself needs a job so lets clear out all the old farts.
Obviously I'd have a different opinion if I was the one who was miraculously holding onto a job while being dangerously incompetent and obsolete. Of course I'd want to milk that income rather than tap into my retirement. Actually, no, hopefully I would not let my greed jeopardize patient health, so I would like to think that my opinion will not change.sfwusc said:A lot of those older pharmacist have no reason to retire as they can make $600+ a day doing a 12 hour shift to help pay the bills (no reason to take money out of the 401k/IRA if you don't have too). Some of their kids could really use the inheritance as they aren't going to make that much money in their careers ever!!