New China Med School Program

[Hoody]

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I am sure because my parents have them, and if it's on a badge, listed in a directory, etc... it says MD.

Your parents have what? MBBS degrees? If someone with a MBBS degree has passed the USMLE and completed a US M.D. residency then are they not considered MDs?

 

[whimsical]

Your parents have what? MBBS degrees? If someone with a MBBS degree has passed the USMLE and completed a US M.D. residency then are they not considered MDs?

That was the point of my original response to that post. Whether or not the person was awarded an MBBS or MBChB, or the other equivalent degrees doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things if they pass the USMLE and do a US residency. Especially not to patients, since they would never know. This was a concern of that poster, and I was merely correcting that.

And yes, my parents were awarded this degree in a foreign country, and for all intents and purposes are considered MDs. Sorry if my original post did not satisfy you.

 

[Hoody]

Sorry if my original post did not satisfy you.

You are forgiven, grasshopper.

 

[schrizto]

LOL at the gmail address on the website.

Also, the program requires at least a 3.3 and says they prefer an MCAT of 30 or above. If you have a 3.3/30, you could probably get into a more established program than this one.

 

[ipostman]

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[hapaballer]

ipostman: that should be interesting having both programs there. Let me know how it goes and how they compare!

 

[hapaballer]

Here are some things I found out:

1. The MBBS converts to an MD once you pass the USMLE - this is why you dont see Dr. Smith, MBBS.

2. I was mistaken about the Fifth Pathway. That program is not what the students would be a part of. It would be a year of supervised clinical training called a "pre-internship".

3. The websit is really janky, but everything that they say on the website is legit and checks out. It is a brand new program, so I guess that's why everything's a little sketch looking. Trust me, if my good friend hadn't told me about the program and convinced me to look into it, I wouldn't have even done a double-take.

4. They seem to be saying that admission requirements are going to be lax this year because it is a new program. They aren't requiring the MCAT and I'm guessing the 3.4 gpa or whatever they say is going to be "suggested" too. If I could get into a US MD program I for sure would be there. But I'm starting to think that this might be another option for me.

5.. I was a little sad my thread got high-jacked. I'm not a big message board person. But it was kind of entertaining haha.

 

[murfettie]

maybe just go into a regular chinese med school? they are pretty good.
Peking U, Qinghua U, Fudan, China Med, Zhijiang U, Zhonghsan U all have med school.
Shenyang is the worst city though.
i know americans think nobody else's med school is as good as their, but these med schools are very good schools. The only problem is that their curriculum differs a bit from licensing exam stuff, so lots of extra studying on your part.

 

[ipostman]

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[ocotillo]

Wow, this is surprising. I am actually working at China Medical University in Shenyang right now. I think my response was too enthusiatic but maybe it will be somewhat helpful.

This American joint program is new to me but CMU's foreign program is not; there are a number of foreign students who come here to train, mostly Indian and a few Russian. What I've heard from the foreign students is that it is not a bad program and apparently is not terribly demanding for the first two years. I'm pretty sure classes are entirely in English, and most of the students don't speak excellent Mandarin. And if the new program is aimed at getting the MD it might be better than just going to another Chinese university for med school and then trying to work your way into the US system.

This hospital is very much unlike anything I have seen in the US: 2800 beds, chaotic and cursory means of seeing patients, smoking and spitting all around the hospital, a mix of richer urban city dwellers and poor rural folk with bizarre afflictions. I'm not sure if it would be beneficial but you would definitely get a look at a completely different healthcare system in a nation with national health insurance but without established preventive care, and as part of a system that selects medical students not necessarily based on empathy or altruism so much as test scores and connections. But as a large regional hospital CMU certainly has its share of competent doctors. (See http://www.cmu.edu.cn/eng/index.htm . Unfortunately the English is pretty poor on this site.)

There are few foreigners around this area in general, especially Westerners, and I have to agree with the above posts that Shenyang is filthy, not very exciting, and freezing cold in the winter (summers can also be uncomfortable). It's also not exactly close to anywhere interesting. And unless you want to pay to circumvent the Great Firewall you can say goodbye to Youtube, Blogspot, Facebook, Myspace, and any number of media/image-related sites. But the people are interesting and there are things to keep you entertained, plus in my experience the Chinese here will return foreigners' friendliness. If you are used to living in China Shenyang isn't such a bad place to be.

Also, not to put down TCM but the doctors at CMU are of course trained in Western medicine and side with it. I've seen some interesting studies on TCM that have come out of CMU. Unfortunately TCM is not standardized; beyond the fact that it is somewhat popular with the older population here I can't really see it ever gaining popularity in a physician's arsenal as a supplemental treatment.

 

[BBender716]

Read this thread and have come to only one conclusion:

There should be a tax on emoticons so that I don't have to weed through all the "smacks", "lol"s, and "love"s to get to the point.

And to be relatively on topic, this always seems to come up on SDN: bunch of people saying how hard it is for FMGs to get into residencies, couple of people entrenched in thinking that the other party is claiming it to be impossible instead of agreeing that's it's a disadvantage and a correlation, not a causation.

This needs to be stickied to put an end to "show me evidence" and "is your source reputable?" (Page 16 of the PDF, 8 of the actual document, Figure 2)

 

[littlealex]

We're really talking about the very bottom of the barrel sludge here. Don't do it unless you are running out of options.

 

[DoctwoB]

To reply to the initial question, I would have to say that this would be a very bad idea.

You don't know the status of this program, "pending accreditation" does not mean accreditation will be awarded. You don't know if the program has solid enough financial footing to stay afloat for 5 years. You don't know how residency directors will react to the degree (at least a degree from a carribean is a known quantity, they may be hesitant to gamble and accept a resident from an unknown program) etc. Overall I'd say there would be a reasonable chance that this would turn out to just be a huge waste of money and time (even more so than the carribean schools that have 50% graduation rate). There is a chance that I'm wrong and everything would be fine, but do you really want to gamble your money/time/chance to be a doctor?

 

[hapaballer]

I don't really think that there would be a risk financially. It's not like CMU and NYMC are new colleges with no funding. Plus, CMU already has an international program and a previous poster said it seemed pretty decent. From what I have heard, China loves Americans and will do anything to get them in China - so having this program seems to be in their interest too.

As for getting a residency. Because students do a year of clinicals at NYMC, wouldn't it mean that they could get LORs from established US physicians? If this is the case and you combine it with high USMLE scores (which I agree would require extra studying, but they do offer review courses which is cool), then it wouldn't matter as much if they were an FMG from China right? As long as CMU is already listed on IMED and certified by the Medical Board of California (where I would want to practice), shouldn't the graduates be fine?

 

[tennisball80]

I don't really think that there would be a risk financially. It's not like CMU and NYMC are new colleges with no funding. Plus, CMU already has an international program and a previous poster said it seemed pretty decent. From what I have heard, China loves Americans and will do anything to get them in China - so having this program seems to be in their interest too.

As for getting a residency. Because students do a year of clinicals at NYMC, wouldn't it mean that they could get LORs from established US physicians? If this is the case and you combine it with high USMLE scores (which I agree would require extra studying, but they do offer review courses which is cool), then it wouldn't matter as much if they were an FMG from China right? As long as CMU is already listed on IMED and certified by the Medical Board of California (where I would want to practice), shouldn't the graduates be fine?

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html


Warning: Some recognized medical schools that teach in their native language are opening English language medical school programs. The English language programs are not recognized unless specifically stated, e.g., "University of Pecs Faculty Medicine" and "Pecs University Medical School English Program (6-year English Program)." The English language programs must apply for recognition and receive approval from the Medical Board of California for the education received from the English language program to be eligible to qualify an applicant for licensure requirements in California.

China Medical University is not California approved.

 

[schrizto]

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html


Warning: Some recognized medical schools that teach in their native language are opening English language medical school programs. The English language programs are not recognized unless specifically stated, e.g., "University of Pecs Faculty Medicine" and "Pecs University Medical School English Program (6-year English Program)." The English language programs must apply for recognition and receive approval from the Medical Board of California for the education received from the English language program to be eligible to qualify an applicant for licensure requirements in California.

China Medical University is not California approved.

Of course their English program isn't listed on there because this program just started. It could take years for it to get approved by the Medical Board of California.

 

[TexasPhysician]

I don't really think that there would be a risk financially. It's not like CMU and NYMC are new colleges with no funding. Plus, CMU already has an international program and a previous poster said it seemed pretty decent. From what I have heard, China loves Americans and will do anything to get them in China - so having this program seems to be in their interest too.

As for getting a residency. Because students do a year of clinicals at NYMC, wouldn't it mean that they could get LORs from established US physicians? If this is the case and you combine it with high USMLE scores (which I agree would require extra studying, but they do offer review courses which is cool), then it wouldn't matter as much if they were an FMG from China right? As long as CMU is already listed on IMED and certified by the Medical Board of California (where I would want to practice), shouldn't the graduates be fine?

There are a few problems I see with this program:
1. American residency program directors will know little about this program....meaning they are likely to be biased against it. They don't have time to familiarize themselves with medical centers all over the world.
2. Only 1 year of clinicals in the US.....and being the first year of the program you are likely to see many kinks.
3. Carib programs I believe do more than 1 US clinical year and they have been doing it for years.


You will be doing 5 years in another country at a program that has yet to prove its worth. RISKY! FMG's already have trouble matching. Are you just trying to make this as tough as possible on yourself?

When you risk going the FMG route, you need to be aware that there is a risk that you will never practice medicine in the US. I would strongly urge you to consider the Carib route where at least many applicants have succeeded in the past.

 

[TexasPhysician]

What's your point here? I'm arguing that FMG =/= automatic PC. What are you arguing?

Still possible to get into a coveted specialty even though you attended Ross University.

NO WAY!!!!11!!!111!!!!! I demand a recount!!!! 😱😱


Gee....I wonder if its more about what you do then where you go?

FYI: Nothing this guy did is that competitive.

A prelim year at Mayo - Prelims are not competitive....MANY go unfilled yearly in the match.

Anesthesia is more competitive than FM, but DOs, IMGs, and FMGs all stand a chance in anesthesia. UF isn't the most competitive place for anesthesia either.

Almost any US MD student could end up with that resume if he/she wanted. I'm not trying to take away from what this guy did. He should be very proud for accomplishing his dreams from a less than ideal position. However if he was a US MD graduate, everything would have been a cake walk comparatively.

 

[Bacchus]

I don't know if anyone has said this, but the master's equivalency in pharmacy is pretty much useless. The degree needed to practice pharmacy is a PharmD. So, this is a piece of paper you don't need. It's like the DPT. All new PTs need to have the doctorate.

 

[toothiemonster]

Why are you giving your money to Beth Healthcare LLC, instead of going through NYMC?

Also, has this program even received support from hospitals and residency programs who have looked at the curriculum?

 

[VTBuc]

If you want to get involved in health care, please, oh please, do not practice TCM. It is quackery at its finest.

 

[link2swim06]

maybe just go into a regular chinese med school? they are pretty good.
Peking U, Qinghua U, Fudan, China Med, Zhijiang U, Zhonghsan U all have med school.
Shenyang is the worst city though.
i know americans think nobody else's med school is as good as their, but these med schools are very good schools. The only problem is that their curriculum differs a bit from licensing exam stuff, so lots of extra studying on your part.

I am guessing all med schools use the same or similar books, hence, you should be able to get an equal education wherever on this planet.

Reason the US has "better" doctors is because US med schools only select the best of the best, which is not true from other schools.

I think the students are what makes a school good.

 

[schrizto]

Reason the US has "better" doctors is because US med schools only select the best of the best, which is not true from other schools.

"Other" schools don't select the "best of the best"? What do you mean? I am sure that medical schools in other countries also select for the best students within their country.

 

[Tin Man]

I would be concerned about the TCM thing. Without bringing this into a DO vs MD argument, it's generally a bad idea to trust a person who claims to understand anatomy and physiology well enough to administer drugs and fight dieases scientifically, yet still believe that they can manipulate some mysterious, unmeasurable energy in the body using needles and a massage...

There's a reason that the Chinese only lived to be, like, 40 a thousand years ago. There is no excuse for a doctor to be trusting that a technique works just because it's been used for a thousand years with VERY little scientific evidence of efficacy. Any medical program that wants to teach them both is highly suspect as a scientific institution from the start.

 

[235788]

if your considering a chinese program maybe you should just settle with DO or PA...

 

[schrizto]

There's a reason that the Chinese only lived to be, like, 40 a thousand years ago. There is no excuse for a doctor to be trusting that a technique works just because it's been used for a thousand years with VERY little scientific evidence of efficacy. Any medical program that wants to teach them both is highly suspect as a scientific institution from the start.

um, the reason the chinese only lived to be like 40 a thousand years ago was not completely due to TCM. nearly every civilization probably had a similar expected lifespan a millennium ago. consider some of the theories of disease and their treatments in medieval medicine and TCM actually doesn't sound bad.

that said, I'm not a supporter of TCM at all. my parents use that same exact argument with me of "it's been around for thousands of years, acupuncture must work!"

 

[JoshUNCW]

"Other" schools don't select the "best of the best"? What do you mean? I am sure that medical schools in other countries also select for the best students within their country.

Not necessarily true. Because doctors are paid less in other countries, their application pool generally isn't as high caliber as the USs. Im not saying they're not smart, I'm just saying the application pool is going to be a little lower.

 

[UnlonelyRoad]

What do you mean what does it have to do with landing a residency??? If FMGs are bottom of the pecking order, which I'm sorry, most people on the site completely agree that they are and US MD programs go US MD > US DO > FMG, and there are more US MD and US DO grads every year ... this causes a problem. How is 52% not matching not a problem?????????????????? Sure there are some people who are decent at hospitals or whatever, but this doesn't change the data.

The bottom line is that talented and dedicated people can get a US residency no problem as a FMG. Sure, it's harder than if you're a US grad, but if studying medicine outside of the country is important to you it's definitely doable. You just have to be mindful of the extra effort you'll need to put in to impress US residency directors. It's like going to a lesser known college. Makes going to medical school harder, but not impossible. If other things are important to you it could be a good deal.

Certainly not the safe route, but I wouldn't call it the end of the world. You'd also probably have a better chance if you went somewhere other than the Carb as rightly or wrongly, many of those places have a reputation as being schools of last resort for Americans.

 

[UnlonelyRoad]

I would be concerned about the TCM thing. Without bringing this into a DO vs MD argument, it's generally a bad idea to trust a person who claims to understand anatomy and physiology well enough to administer drugs and fight dieases scientifically, yet still believe that they can manipulate some mysterious, unmeasurable energy in the body using needles and a massage...

There's a reason that the Chinese only lived to be, like, 40 a thousand years ago. There is no excuse for a doctor to be trusting that a technique works just because it's been used for a thousand years with VERY little scientific evidence of efficacy. Any medical program that wants to teach them both is highly suspect as a scientific institution from the start.

I would suggest reading "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down". While I would certainly not recommend using TCM in general medical practice, having an understanding of the traditional medicinal practices of an ethnic group can dramatically increase patient compliance to more modern therapies and facilitate greater trust and cooperation. If the poster intends to treat such a group, he or she would be remiss not to get some exposure.

 

[Tin Man]

um, the reason the chinese only lived to be like 40 a thousand years ago was not completely due to TCM. nearly every civilization probably had a similar expected lifespan a millennium ago. consider some of the theories of disease and their treatments in medieval medicine and TCM actually doesn't sound bad.

Right. The point isn't that TCM causes people to have short lifespans. It's the fact that modern medicine has caused people to have LONGER lifespans. Medicine got better, our understand of science and anatomy more thorough, and our drugs more precise. Hence, longer lifespans.

So to use ancient Chinese practices is ridiculous when said ancient Chinese were not known to be nearly as healthy (nor have nearly as good an understanding of science) as we do. If we abandoned our modern, evil Western medicine and went back to fully TCM (or whatever, take your pick of ancient medicine...), we would end up pretty close to that 40 year cap on our lifespan.

 

[schrizto]

Right. The point isn't that TCM causes people to have short lifespans. It's the fact that modern medicine has caused people to have LONGER lifespans. Medicine got better, our understand of science and anatomy more thorough, and our drugs more precise. Hence, longer lifespans.

So to use ancient Chinese practices is ridiculous when said ancient Chinese were not known to be nearly as healthy (nor have nearly as good an understanding of science) as we do. If we abandoned our modern, evil Western medicine and went back to fully TCM (or whatever, take your pick of ancient medicine...), we would end up pretty close to that 40 year cap on our lifespan.

But never has it been proposed to abandon Western medicine in favor of TCM, so there really is no reason for the short lifespan reference. just because CMU has some involvement with TCM doesn't mean their entire educational program should be discounted. even the person who posted in this thread who works at CMU said the doctors there support Western medicine first and foremost. it's the popularity of TCM with older generations that is why it is still around.

 

[Tin Man]

But never has it been proposed to abandon Western medicine in favor of TCM, so there really is no reason for the short lifespan reference. just because CMU has some involvement with TCM doesn't mean their entire educational program should be discounted. even the person who posted in this thread who works at CMU said the doctors there support Western medicine first and foremost. it's the popularity of TCM with older generations that is why it is still around.

The question, though, is how someone can say that they understand the body processes and the science of how drugs actually work, and then go on to say that they believe in an energy that cannot be detected and has never been proven to exist, yet believe that they can, through non-standardized pseudoscience, manipulate this energy to heal wounds that modern medicine apparently cannot. It just shows a pretty obvious misunderstanding of human physiology that a physician should not be demonstrating.

TCM is based off of human biology as we understood it a LONG time ago (or rather, didn't understand it). Believing in that sort of practice now shows that the practitioner or believe is still a thousand years behind the rest of medicine. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence, and isn't something that a medical program should be participating in, or at the very least openly advertising.

 

[link2swim06]

"Other" schools don't select the "best of the best"? What do you mean? I am sure that medical schools in other countries also select for the best students within their country.

No their salaries are lower, and there are many pressures for their best to either leave (and go to a higher paying country) or do jobs like engineering or business.

I would say the US has the best med school on average just because the entrance requirements are higher here. The only other country that I can think is "better" by this rule is Canada (which does not count bc many of those students come to the US anyways) and maybe Australia.

Why do you think the students who talk about not getting in the US then trying to go to the Caribbean, Europe, or elsewhere?

 

[Tin Man]

Why do you think the students who talk about not getting in the US then trying to go to the Caribbean, Europe, or elsewhere?

Erm... because they live here?

Dunno about you, but if I were a pre-med in England, knew I was probably going to practice in England, and knew that the medical schools in England would still make me a good doctor, I don't see why I wouldn't apply to English medical schools.

Not sure about the stats. I would be interested to see if the number of foreign applicants to a US medical school is really THAT much higher than the number of foreign medical students (including US students) that apply to an English school of approximately the same "level."

 

[RogueUnicorn]

before you completely dismiss all aspects of 'traditional' medicines of the world, i'd like to remind you that the bark of the willow tree was used for milennia to treat aches and fevers, until mr. bayer stuck an acetyl group on its derivative to make aspirin..

 

[Tin Man]

before you completely dismiss all aspects of 'traditional' medicines of the world, i'd like to remind you that the bark of the willow tree was used for milennia to treat aches and fevers, until mr. bayer stuck an acetyl group on its derivative to make aspirin..

Noduh. I'm not talking about herbs. They're a different story. There aren't many drugs out there that AREN'T some derivative of some plant a person stuck in their gullet and found themselves "cured" of something. Herbs are a tricky thing, and I don't deny that there are certainly some teas and such that probably do have some sort of physiological effect.

Which is why I'm not really talking so much about the herbs as I am about things like acupuncture and the like, which really don't have the same sort of science, even theoretical science, backing it up.

For what it's worth, though, I do know that if most of the herbal remedies out there did have some effect that was better than a cheap, generic medication already available, the research would have already been done and the herb would have already been modified and being making lots of capital for some pharmaceutical company by now.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Noduh. I'm not talking about herbs. They're a different story. There aren't many drugs out there that AREN'T some derivative of some plant a person stuck in their gullet and found themselves "cured" of something. Herbs are a tricky thing, and I don't deny that there are certainly some teas and such that probably do have some sort of physiological effect.

Which is why I'm not really talking so much about the herbs as I am about things like acupuncture and the like, which really don't have the same sort of science, even theoretical science, backing it up.

For what it's worth, though, I do know that if most of the herbal remedies out there did have some effect that was better than a cheap, generic medication already available, the research would have already been done and the herb would have already been modified and being making lots of capital for some pharmaceutical company by now.

there are ALOT of plant/fungus based drugs. mainly what i find curious is the passionate vitriol from you regarding this subject

 

[Tin Man]

there are ALOT of plant/fungus based drugs. mainly what i find curious is the passionate vitriol from you regarding this subject

Simply because there are millions of dollars that go into a system of "medicine" that is shown to have nothing more than a placebo effect, and that the same placebo effect can be produced by something that doesn't have a risk of infection or nerve damage by tricking people into thinking that they're actually receiving the same thing as real TCM. I would much rather see people being healed than to be scammed.

But that's getting a little off topic. I can rant about TCM, magnet therapy, and ear candling in a different topic. 🙂

Props for using the word "vitriol" in conversation. You actually added a new word to my vocabulary that isn't jargon-based, and that's pretty impressive. Thanks.

 

[toothiemonster]

Does anyone have potential questions that they would like to ask the people of this degreen in china program?

 

[womp]

Don't do it. The Chinese health system is radically different from the US. If you're interested in having a unique experience, you can do summer internships and volunteering in many regional Chinese hospitals. But I don't think it's a valid alternative to a US medical school.

 

[JaggerPlate]

The bottom line is that talented and dedicated people can get a US residency no problem as a FMG. Sure, it's harder than if you're a US grad, but if studying medicine outside of the country is important to you it's definitely doable. You just have to be mindful of the extra effort you'll need to put in to impress US residency directors. It's like going to a lesser known college. Makes going to medical school harder, but not impossible. If other things are important to you it could be a good deal.

Certainly not the safe route, but I wouldn't call it the end of the world. You'd also probably have a better chance if you went somewhere other than the Carb as rightly or wrongly, many of those places have a reputation as being schools of last resort for Americans.

You're blatantly wrong.

Just check the numbers, it's wildly, wildly harder to get a residency spot, let alone a coveted, specialized spot as a FMG. Anecdotal stories and advice aside, it's just harder, much harder.

You're also wrong about going to other, unknown schools in different countries above the Caribbean. Caribbean schools teach to the American model and are at least known by PDs. Even if they think their grads are bottom of the barrel (which they aren't), they've been trained to practice in the US. If some PD gets an application from a random FMG from China ... he/she isn't even going to know the first thing about the curriculum, etc.

Furthermore ... a lot of these schools restrict your ability to practice in all 50 states. This is a bad thing, it isn't a small hurdle to over come, and with the cost, risks, time, and increasing number of US grads ... it isn't something to take lightly.

 

[schrizto]

No their salaries are lower, and there are many pressures for their best to either leave (and go to a higher paying country) or do jobs like engineering or business.

I would say the US has the best med school on average just because the entrance requirements are higher here. The only other country that I can think is "better" by this rule is Canada (which does not count bc many of those students come to the US anyways) and maybe Australia.

Why do you think the students who talk about not getting in the US then trying to go to the Caribbean, Europe, or elsewhere?

That may be true for some foreign countries, but not all. And the reason that students who don't get into med school here go for the Caribbean is because they prepare specifically for practice in the US (prep for USMLEs and everything). Some medical schools in European countries take American students because US students are willing to pay a lot more for medical education compared to native students and therefore aren't admitted with the same standards. I don't think it's completely reflective of the quality of the students from their own country.

 

[schrizto]

btw, with the discussions about herbs and drugs I felt like bringing up an old internet chain letter...😛

2000 B.C. - Here, eat this root.
1000 A.D. - That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 A.D. - That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1940 A.D. - That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1985 A.D. - That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic.
2000 A.D. - That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root.

 

[iFearMCAT]

I was recently told about a new medical program...to study traditional Chinese medicine

Wait, aren't there already plenty of Chinese medical schools in New England and California. How would this be any different?????????😀

 

[toothiemonster]

Here are some things I found out:

1. The MBBS converts to an MD once you pass the USMLE - this is why you dont see Dr. Smith, MBBS.

2. I was mistaken about the Fifth Pathway. That program is not what the students would be a part of. It would be a year of supervised clinical training called a "pre-internship".

3. The websit is really janky, but everything that they say on the website is legit and checks out. It is a brand new program, so I guess that's why everything's a little sketch looking. Trust me, if my good friend hadn't told me about the program and convinced me to look into it, I wouldn't have even done a double-take.

4. They seem to be saying that admission requirements are going to be lax this year because it is a new program. They aren't requiring the MCAT and I'm guessing the 3.4 gpa or whatever they say is going to be "suggested" too. If I could get into a US MD program I for sure would be there. But I'm starting to think that this might be another option for me.

5.. I was a little sad my thread got high-jacked. I'm not a big message board person. But it was kind of entertaining haha.

They also claim that they give you a dual major. which is an MBBS and a Clinical Pharmacy degree. What use is a clinical pharmacy degree from china? It doesn't transfer over to anything in the US. or am i mistaken?

 

[kirkmedical]

They also claim that they give you a dual major. which is an MBBS and a Clinical Pharmacy degree. What use is a clinical pharmacy degree from china? It doesn't transfer over to anything in the US. or am i mistaken?

I'm actually not sure if it would transfer over, but I know that all you get from completing the NYMC pre-internship is a certificate of completion of the pre-internship program. Also you need to still fill out an application to NYMC for the pre-internship program and China Medical University is still not recognized by the state of New York. You wont be able to even get into the pre-internship until they are recognized.

Also, following your other post about the Beth Healthcare, LLC medical degree in china program posting, I forgot to mention that if they do not acquire 30 students by the time the classes are supposed to start, they will post-pone sending the students over to China Medical University until 2011. The last that I had found out was that they only have a hand full of students applying to the program and it's already June. It just doesn't seem likely that the program is going to happen this year.

The only prior experience Beth Healthcare has had in helping students pass the USMLE and actually obtaining residency here in the U.S. are 10 students from China, where only 2 actually obtained residency in New Jersey. The other 8 were barred residency because they could not obtain the proper visa.

The concept for the program is good, but they need to be recognized by California and New York in order for the program to ensure that students can actually practice in those states and finish the program. Without the pre-internship completion at NYMC, you wont get the degree from CMU period.

 

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I'm actually not sure if it would transfer over, but I know that all you get from completing the NYMC pre-internship is a certificate of completion of the pre-internship program. Also you need to still fill out an application to NYMC for the pre-internship program and China Medical University is still not recognized by the state of New York. You wont be able to even get into the pre-internship until they are recognized.

Also, following your other post about the Beth Healthcare, LLC medical degree in china program posting, I forgot to mention that if they do not acquire 30 students by the time the classes are supposed to start, they will post-pone sending the students over to China Medical University until 2011. The last that I had found out was that they only have a hand full of students applying to the program and it's already June. It just doesn't seem likely that the program is going to happen this year.

The only prior experience Beth Healthcare has had in helping students pass the USMLE and actually obtaining residency here in the U.S. are 10 students from China, where only 2 actually obtained residency in New Jersey. The other 8 were barred residency because they could not obtain the proper visa.

The concept for the program is good, but they need to be recognized by California and New York in order for the program to ensure that students can actually practice in those states and finish the program. Without the pre-internship completion at NYMC, you wont get the degree from CMU period.

Thanks for the info. I was hoping this program would start this year just so I could see how it would pan out for the students.

Are you involved with this program in any way? Or just getting your information from the owner's of the company?