New DO school...

[ItsGavinC]

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AT Still University announced today that they will be starting another DO school (their current one is KCOM), this one in Arizona (where their dental school and health science school resides). The Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine and the Arizona School of Osteopathic Medicine will be individual and separate entities under AT Still University.

Classes will begin in 2007.

I thought some of you might find this interesting.

 

[stretch210]

where did you see this? There is already AZCOM of course, and the university of arizona college of medicine, and uofa and ASU are opening one up in phoenix in the next couple of years...where in Arizona?

 

[Docgeorge]

Good God, not another one!

 

[DireWolf]

the madness has to stop.

 

[Docgeorge]

Quick!!!! Someone administer some 5-FU and Cisplantin maby some Rays as well.

 

[dr.z]

Should have at least put it in a state that doesn't have medical school.

 

[mandar]

Quick!!!! Someone administer some 5-FU and Cisplantin maby some Rays as well.

So what type of cancer is this as we have to give two antineoplasmic drugs 5-FU and Cisplantin?

 

[Jinyaoysiu]

the Arizona School of Osteopathic Medicine will be individual and separate entities under AT Still University.
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ASOM?

 

[OSUdoc08]

You could all complain about it being "another osteopathic school," but realize there is an allopathic school opening in Arizona as well. It's not only the DO's that are opening schools. An increasing number of applicants and shortage of physicians demands more schools. Being that the demand is in the primary care areas, it only makes sense for more osteopathic schools to be opening.

The problem of course, is the correlative opening of new residency programs.

 

[DireWolf]

The problem of course, is the correlative opening of new residency programs.

just a minor problem though, right?

this should be against the law.

 

[OSUdoc08]

just a minor problem though, right?

this should be against the law.

Well, i'll have to be selfish here. My school is opening a 4th osteopathic emergency medicine residency within a few hours' drive of my school.

They are opening new residencies, just maybe not where they should be.

Yay for me anyway.....

 

[DORoe]

You could all complain about it being "another osteopathic school," but realize there is an allopathic school opening in Arizona as well. It's not only the DO's that are opening schools. An increasing number of applicants and shortage of physicians demands more schools. Being that the demand is in the primary care areas, it only makes sense for more osteopathic schools to be opening.

The problem of course, is the correlative opening of new residency programs.

I have to agree with you on this one. I was just reading in the AAFP magazine that we need an increase of 15% in enrollment in order to meet the demand for docs in the next 10 years. I was against all of these new satellite schools at first, but if we need more docs then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be DO's. Perhaps this is the kind of thing that will help shove through the combined match which will benefit DO students as well as DO residency programs by making them improve their quality to maintain students. In the end the demand can be met and we can get some better programs.

 

[OSUdoc08]

I have to agree with you on this one. I was just reading in the AAFP magazine that we need an increase of 15% in enrollment in order to meet the demand for docs in the next 10 years. I was against all of these new satellite schools at first, but if we need more docs then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be DO's. Perhaps this is the kind of thing that will help shove through the combined match which will benefit DO students as well as DO residency programs by making them improve their quality to maintain students. In the end the demand can be met and we can get some better programs.

And why the increasing demand for docs?

two words: baby boomers

 

[DORoe]

And why the increasing demand for docs?

two words: baby boomers

Yeah, they said that as well as pointing out that in the 80's and 90's there was a predicted glut of doctors.

 

[Docgeorge]

Although primary care docs are still in short suppily, due to the slashing of specialty residency slots for the past 35 years so so we are going to feel the deficit in specialist more then the deficit in PC docs.

As far as new schools opening up I'd rather it campuses with adequate faculty and reasearch rather then branch campuses.

 

[AStudent]

Developed at Michigan State 👍

Cisplantin

Cisplatin
16. Profits from Cisplatin


Following the discovery by Barnett Rosenberg and coworkers at Michigan
State University (see modules on electric fields, platinum electrodes,
one scientist's story) that certain platinum-containing compounds
inhibited cell division and cured solid tumors resulting from cancer,
cisplatin was approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the
treatment of genitourinary tumors in 1978.1 Since then, Michigan State
has collected over $160 million in royalties from cisplatin and a
related drug, carboplatin, which was approved by the FDA in 1989 for the
treatment of ovarian cancers.

 

[PublicEnemy]

So what type of cancer is this as we have to give two antineoplasmic drugs 5-FU and Cisplantin?

i would reccommend a neo-adjuvant approach. chemo and XRT, followed by surgical resection.

5-FU is brutal, often administered over 72 hours.

my head hurts after reading this thread, so it must be a glioblastoma multiforme.

 

[mandar]

i would reccommend a neo-adjuvant approach. chemo and XRT, followed by surgical resection.

5-FU is brutal, often administered over 72 hours.

my head hurts after reading this thread, so it must be a glioblastoma multiforme.

Is Paclitaxol still used for cancer treatment. I thought it is just used in drug eluted stents (Paclitaxol stents from Boston Scientific) nowadays. But what do I know, I am not a doctor, not even a medical student ( but not for too long 🙂 )

 

[mandar]

Developed at Michigan State 👍




Cisplatin
16. Profits from Cisplatin


Following the discovery by Barnett Rosenberg and coworkers at Michigan
State University (see modules on electric fields, platinum electrodes,
one scientist's story) that certain platinum-containing compounds
inhibited cell division and cured solid tumors resulting from cancer,
cisplatin was approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the
treatment of genitourinary tumors in 1978.1 Since then, Michigan State
has collected over $160 million in royalties from cisplatin and a
related drug, carboplatin, which was approved by the FDA in 1989 for the
treatment of ovarian cancers.

And we also have recombinant DNA technology which was invented at University of California (UC) and stanford and made 300 Million dollars for the public school system in California.

 

[subtle1epiphany]

Go State!

But back to the issue at hand...I can definitely see that there are more schools needed, but I do wish that they'd open one up in states that have NO med school. Perhaps in a WWAMI state?

Yes, UWash does a magnificent job for those states, but by opening a school there we'd have more DOs, more residencies (dual-accredited perhaps?), more primary care physicians in those rural areas, and new jobs for many people .

I do echo DocGeorge's concern, it makes me nervous that these are all branch campuses, DOs need to publish and prove the philosophy, a new Northwest-based state-funded school opening for DOs would be marvelous! 👍

Not saying it's the greatest idea ever, but it's something I've thought about...what do you guys think?

 

[docbill]

The requirements for admission have just dropped a bit more.

5FU will not do much.. This is stealth deviding. I am going to talk my Dog and Cat in opening a new school.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Is Paclitaxol still used for cancer treatment. I thought it is just used in drug eluted stents (Paclitaxol stents from Boston Scientific) nowadays. But what do I know, I am not a doctor, not even a medical student ( but not for too long 🙂 )

Yes, most commonly in cancers such as those of the breast.

 

[PublicEnemy]

Is Paclitaxol still used for cancer treatment. I thought it is just used in drug eluted stents (Paclitaxol stents from Boston Scientific) nowadays. But what do I know, I am not a doctor, not even a medical student ( but not for too long 🙂 )

Paclitaxel and Carboplatin are commonly administered for treatment of Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer.

 

[cooldreams]

You could all complain about it being "another osteopathic school," but realize there is an allopathic school opening in Arizona as well. It's not only the DO's that are opening schools. An increasing number of applicants and shortage of physicians demands more schools. Being that the demand is in the primary care areas, it only makes sense for more osteopathic schools to be opening.

The problem of course, is the correlative opening of new residency programs.

i thought that there were a huge surplus of primary care slots, such that we actually NEED foreign medical docs to come into them or many would stop? if we had enough usa med docs to fill the slots then thas a good thing right? i know i know, there are not enough DO slots, but even so, less than 50% of DO docs apply to DO residencies, meaning most goto MD slots and there is still a huge surplus...

i think this may become another one of "those" threads... i sorry 😀

 

[Nate]

I heard they were thinking about opening HCOM in Hawaii recently. PE, back me up on that?

 

[wrisby]

AT Still University announced today that they will be starting another DO school (their current one is KCOM), this one in Arizona (where their dental school and health science school resides). The Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine and the Arizona School of Osteopathic Medicine will be individual and separate entities under AT Still University.

Classes will begin in 2007.

I thought some of you might find this interesting.

The Board of Trustees of A.T. Still University of Health Sciences are evaluating the possibility of adding a D.O. program to our campus in Arizona as part of a proposed Long-Range plan. No finalized decisions have been made yet regarding the school as it is still being investigated.

Brad Risby
Admissions Counselor A.T. Still University of Health Sciences

 

[OzDDS]

Perhaps this is the kind of thing that will help shove through the combined match which will benefit DO students as well as DO residency programs by making them improve their quality to maintain students. In the end the demand can be met and we can get some better programs.

Is this a good thing?? Ok.. let's overload the system with DO graduates but NOT increase the number of DO residency programs!!! Then the AMA will HAVE to take us into a joint match!! Crazy!! How is that fair to MD grads? Even after the joint match.. the AOA will prob STILL not allow MDs to matriculate into DO residencies!!!

Stop weezing the juice from the allopathic system and Force the AOA INCREASE the Quantity as well as the quality of osteopathic residencies themselves. Don't continue to open DO schools if you don't have a way to train them once they have their degree!!!

 

[OSUdoc08]

Is this a good thing?? Ok.. let's overload the system with DO graduates but NOT increase the number of DO residency programs!!! Then the AMA will HAVE to take us into a joint match!! Crazy!! How is that fair to MD grads? Even after the joint match.. the AOA will prob STILL not allow MDs to matriculate into DO residencies!!!

Stop weezing the juice from the allopathic system and Force the AOA INCREASE the Quantity as well as the quality of osteopathic residencies themselves. Don't continue to open DO schools if you don't have a way to train them once they have their degree!!!

Before jumping to conclusions, investigate what is going on around you. They are both opening new AOA residencies and improving their quality.

 

[OSUdoc08]

i thought that there were a huge surplus of primary care slots, such that we actually NEED foreign medical docs to come into them or many would stop? if we had enough usa med docs to fill the slots then thas a good thing right? i know i know, there are not enough DO slots, but even so, less than 50% of DO docs apply to DO residencies, meaning most goto MD slots and there is still a huge surplus...

i think this may become another one of "those" threads... i sorry 😀

I'm going to assume you are agreeing with me here. This is exactly why we need more DO's, because philosophically, more would enter primary care thus filling both the surplus of spots and the shortage in these areas around the U.S.

 

[PublicEnemy]

I heard they were thinking about opening HCOM in Hawaii recently. PE, back me up on that?

Its a distinct possibility. They are looking into potential affiliations. What a place to rotate through.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Its a distinct possibility. They are looking into potential affiliations. What a place to rotate through.

Sign me up!

 

[PublicEnemy]

Is this a good thing?? Ok.. let's overload the system with DO graduates but NOT increase the number of DO residency programs!!! Then the AMA will HAVE to take us into a joint match!! Crazy!! How is that fair to MD grads? Even after the joint match.. the AOA will prob STILL not allow MDs to matriculate into DO residencies!!!

Stop weezing the juice from the allopathic system and Force the AOA INCREASE the Quantity as well as the quality of osteopathic residencies themselves. Don't continue to open DO schools if you don't have a way to train them once they have their degree!!!

The AMA has shown signs of support for a joint match. The AOA is what is preventing it.

 

[OzDDS]

This is exactly why we need more DO's, because philosophically, more would enter primary care thus filling both the surplus of spots and the shortage in these areas around the U.S.

Honestly, primary care is not super glamorous.. But it is needed greatly in this country!! I do HOPE more DOs do go into primary care.!!. But.. is the reason they do because DO grads really choose the osteopathic whole person primary care philosphy plus OMT stuff? or because they just may not be competitive enough sometimes to get into allopathic subspecialty XYZ? This is a personal mindset and personal career choice of the individual phsycian. I think statistically your going to have pretty close ratios of MD to DO students who "desire" primary care fields. no? Don't just assume that creating more DO schools is going to equte to more primary care physicians serving rural areas.. etc etc etc..

 

[OzDDS]

Before jumping to conclusions, investigate what is going on around you. They are both opening new AOA residencies and improving their quality.

Ok.. but is it really in relation to the number of new schools opening and potential new DO graduates? my guess is no.

 

[Truce57]

The AMA has shown signs of support for a joint match. The AOA is what is preventing it.

Because the AMA supports integration, and the eventual eradication of the osteopathic profession, into their (the AMA's) concept of what a physician is.

 

[Docgeorge]

Because the AMA supports integration, and the eventual eradication of the osteopathic profession, into their (the AMA's) concept of what a physician is.

Oh yea and our concept of a physician is sooo much different. 🙄

 

[PJ1120]

If there is a combined match, I think it's only fair that osteopathic residencies be opened to allopathic students as well. This includes the very competitive ones like orthopedics. I am actually against combined match. If there is combined match then given a number of years AMA will probably merge with AOA and just take over. Not that it really matters in practice since everyone is a full physician. Just kinda sad to let a legacy die. 🙄

 

[docbill]

Evolution takes place and changes are made. If they are for the best.. they are for the best. Maybe Texas COM should get some more COM open.

Also UNECOM should get one in Northern Maine Going. Heck.. even open one in New Brunswick (CAnada). They don't have any medical school and are bordering Maine.

 

[DORoe]

Because the AMA supports integration, and the eventual eradication of the osteopathic profession, into their (the AMA's) concept of what a physician is.

I hope this is sarcasm. 😕

 

[OSUdoc08]

If there is a combined match, I think it's only fair that osteopathic residencies be opened to allopathic students as well. This includes the very competitive ones like orthopedics. I am actually against combined match. If there is combined match then given a number of years AMA will probably merge with AOA and just take over. Not that it really matters in practice since everyone is a full physician. Just kinda sad to let a legacy die. 🙄

MD's don't have the training to complete all of the requirements in most AOA residencies, and they would then be required to do the mandatory AOA internship, which also includes OMM in many programs. Also, this would mean elimination of the COMLEX, which tests differently than MD schools.

DO schools would have to change their curriculum to adapt to the USMLE. Both test in a completely different way. What about the OMM component of the test? Do we just throw that out? No, if you don't want to learn and be tested on OMM----go to an M.D. school.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Evolution takes place and changes are made. If they are for the best.. they are for the best. Maybe Texas COM should get some more COM open.

Also UNECOM should get one in Northern Maine Going. Heck.. even open one in New Brunswick (CAnada). They don't have any medical school and are bordering Maine.

It would be a bad idea to open up another medical school in Texas. There are currently 8, and there aren't enough residencies for the graduates. TCOM is having a hard enough time with the closure of their university hospital due to lack of funding.

 

[cooldreams]

MD's don't have the training to complete all of the requirements in most AOA residencies, and they would then be required to do the mandatory AOA internship, which also includes OMM in many programs. Also, this would mean elimination of the COMLEX, which tests differently than MD schools.

DO schools would have to change their curriculum to adapt to the USMLE. Both test in a completely different way. What about the OMM component of the test? Do we just throw that out? No, if you don't want to learn and be tested on OMM----go to an M.D. school.

HAHA FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES!!!! why in the world would you bother yourself with going to a DO school if you do not want to be a DO???? OMM is a GIVEN! 👍 👍 👍

 

[Nate]

MD's don't have the training to complete all of the requirements in most AOA residencies, and they would then be required to do the mandatory AOA internship, which also includes OMM in many programs. Also, this would mean elimination of the COMLEX, which tests differently than MD schools.

DO schools would have to change their curriculum to adapt to the USMLE. Both test in a completely different way. What about the OMM component of the test? Do we just throw that out? No, if you don't want to learn and be tested on OMM----go to an M.D. school.

Well said

 

[allmightylong]

Why not open a school up in Washington or Oregon??? All we have is UW and OHSU. Everywhere else we apply to would require us to fly and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..

DAMN IT!

 

[OzDDS]

MD's don't have the training to complete all of the requirements in most AOA residencies, and they would then be required to do the mandatory AOA internship, which also includes OMM in many programs. Also, this would mean elimination of the COMLEX, which tests differently than MD schools.

DO schools would have to change their curriculum to adapt to the USMLE. Both test in a completely different way. What about the OMM component of the test? Do we just throw that out? No, if you don't want to learn and be tested on OMM----go to an M.D. school.

Ok.. You can claim this technically for all OMT DO FP/GP training programs. But there are plenty of MD FP available.. as cooldreams even mentioned, You've even got foreign grads filling these spots and they are still not full. So, This is not really the issue.
What about DO neurosurg, ENT, Radiology, etc?? Your telling me an MD graduate wouldnt be capablie of completing an Osteopathic neurosurgery residency because they don't have experience with OMT?? gimmie a break!

 

[OzDDS]

HAHA FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES!!!! why in the world would you bother yourself with going to a DO school if you do not want to be a DO???? OMM is a GIVEN! 👍 👍 👍

I was also told earlier in this thread that DO philosophy = OMT and Primary care focus.

Now for all the DO students who graduate and go into (even if they are DO residencies) neurosurg, ENT, and radiology. Fields that are basically allopathic philosophy residencies that DO programs have created and copied... HOW does this apply??
Not only "DO surg subspecialty residencies".. but what about all the DOs who apply for MD's residencies anyway after they graduate? None of this is OMT/osteopathic related NOR primary care!

 

[Funkdoctor]

Ok.. You can claim this technically for a OMT DO FP/GP training programs. But there are plenty of MD FP available. This is not really the issue. What about DO neurosurg, ENT, Radiology, etc?? Your telling me an MD graduate wouldnt be capablie of completing an Osteopathic radiology residency because they don't understand OMT?? gimmie a break!

I'm only premed but from what I understand the reason an MD would not be able to enter an AOA residency is because of the mandatory 1 year internship which includes OMM. The 1 year internship is applied to ALL AOA residencies. I am not 100% sure, but do believe that I am right on this and if I'm not I'm sure I'll be corrected.

 

[OzDDS]

The 1 year internship is applied to ALL AOA residencies. I am not 100% sure, but do believe that I am right on this and if I'm not I'm sure I'll be corrected.

No, I understand the requirement. I'm just saying for DO training programs that are basically allopathic specialties to begin with.. ie. (NOT OMT focused primary care) such as neurosurgery. Then this just becomes a silly requirement that has no validity.

 

[PKP719]

deleware doesnt even have one 1 med school , suckers

 

[Funkdoctor]

No, I understand the requirement. I'm just saying for DO training programs that are basically allopathic specialties to begin with.. ie. (NOT OMT focused primary care) such as neurosurgery. Then this just becomes a silly requirement that has no validity.

I agree! I think anyone with a half of a brain thinks that the requirement is silly. Hell there are a lot of laws that I think are silly too, but you know the old saying "you can't fight city hall".

I bet sometime in the future that the walls between DO and MD residencies will break down but that is just my 2 cents.