New NJ Law Requiring All HCW to Clearly Identify Degree and Training

[psydoc57]

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This isn't hard. Use Dr. to refer to only physicians in clinical settings. Outside of the clinic, feel free to use Dr. to whoever you want.

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

 

[Lawpy]

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

I have no idea why you resurrected this thread but i agree with you and that topic has already been discussed extensively

 

[MICKY MANTLE]

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

Easy now....Don't go and get your feelings hurt. Him/her is entitled to their opinion as are you. I think they were just saying that only physicians in a clinical setting should be, well, referred to as doctors. Too many people like to throw that designation around, like PAs and NPs, hence why this law was enacted. I think most people understand that a PHD, EdD, DNP, etc. is conferred with a doctorate degree, and some of those who earned those degrees like to be referred to as "doctor", but in the true sense are are not medical doctors when one thinks in terms of a clinical setting, they are typically reserved for; MD, DO and DPM.

 

[Qwerty122]

Easy now....Don't go and get your feelings hurt. Him/her is entitled to their opinion as are you. I think they were just saying that only physicians in a clinical setting should be, well, referred to as doctors. Too many people like to throw that designation around, like PAs and NPs, hence why this law was enacted. I think most people understand that a PHD, EdD, DNP, etc. is conferred with a doctorate degree, and some of those who earned those degrees like to be referred to as "doctor", but in the true sense are are not medical doctors when one thinks in terms of a clinical setting, they are typically reserved for; MD, DO and DPM.

Yes, I'm sure everyone who has a college degree understands that all these individuals with a doctorate degree can be called "doctors", how else would you address your professors while in undergrad? Mr.? No one was complaining about that. But the part where people complain about is the application of that title specific to a medical setting, which may cause actual harm due to misinformation.

 

[Redpancreas]

I will say that I never expected this. I just hope that it's actually enforceable and other states follow suit as quickly as possible.

Not bad!

 

[Wordead]

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

 

[proudofmykids]

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Also for the record, i call residents by their first name. Literally zero problems and they're physicians in training. The only ones taking the issue are midlevels with bruised egos and MS1s on social media virtue signalling their love for midlevels.

Curious...
Are you indicating that as an Attending, you introduce your residents to patients as John /Mary, Dr. John / Mary, John /Mary our Resident, Dr. John / Mary our Resident. In my opinion only last would be proper as they are MDs, but not yet board certified.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Curious...
Are you indicating that as an Attending, you introduce your residents to patients as John /Mary, Dr. John / Mary, John /Mary our Resident, Dr. John / Mary our Resident. In my opinion only last would be proper as they are MDs, but not yet board certified.

He’s not an attending.

 

[Lawpy]

Curious...
Are you indicating that as an Attending, you introduce your residents to patients as John /Mary, Dr. John / Mary, John /Mary our Resident, Dr. John / Mary our Resident. In my opinion only last would be proper as they are MDs, but not yet board certified.

I'm a student who calls residents by first name without a problem. But this is mainly for casual chat and not in front of patients

 

[CorgiLoaf]

It's interesting how this isn't really an issue in other fields. You don't see paralegals demanding the right to practice law nor research technicians demanding R01 grants and independent projects.

 

[Natremia]

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

You didn’t do a residency homeboy. A residency is a specific term to PHYSICIANS. It is from before duty hours when PHYSICIANS were “residents” of the hospital, ie they worked so much that they, in essence, lived there (again, since you seem to not comprehend the term: living somewhere = resident).

Attempting to steal a term that has no inkling or basis in your field so that you can puff up your chest doesn’t equate to any earning. It’s simply an attempt to steal what you never deserved nor earned in the first place.

 

[bGMx]

Why is this such an issue?

 

[MICKY MANTLE]

You didn’t do a residency homeboy. A residency is a specific term to PHYSICIANS. It is from before duty hours when PHYSICIANS were “residents” of the hospital, ie they worked so much that they, in essence, lived there (again, since you seem to not comprehend the term: living somewhere = resident).

Attempting to steal a term that has no inkling or basis in your field so that you can puff up your chest doesn’t equate to any earning. It’s simply an attempt to steal what you never deserved nor earned in the first place.

So very well stated and true....

 

[Lawpy]

It's interesting how this isn't really an issue in other fields. You don't see paralegals demanding the right to practice law nor research technicians demanding R01 grants and independent projects.

Probably because lawyers and scientists know how to defend their turf better and have the decency not to throw their colleagues under the bus in favor of prioritizing lower level employees.

 

[Mass Effect]

Excerpts taken directly from the bill itself that I hope can shed more light to this issue:

2. The Legislature finds and declares that:

a. There are a multitude of professional degrees using the term “doctor,” including “medical doctor” (M.D.); “doctor of osteopathy” (D.O.); “doctor of dental surgery” (D.D.S.); “doctor of podiatric medicine” (D.P.M.); “doctor of optometry” (O.D.); “doctor of chiropractic” (D.C.); “doctor of nursing” (D.N.); and other designations which may be used by health care professionals.

One problem with the bill is how it refers to DOs. Pretty sure the AOA refers to DOs as "doctor of osteopathic medicine" which is actually just as stupid as "doctor of osteopathy." I think MDs and DOs should have their degree listed, but written out, it should all be "doctor of medicine" or "medical doctor."

 

[Mass Effect]

I'm also really confused about PsyD and PhD vs MD psych differences because i always thought psychiatrists are good at both therapy and medicine

We're really not.

 

[Mass Effect]

I'd say its fine given an equivalent level of pharm understanding to that of a physician-- though my opposing argument is that you don't get that unless you go to medical school, and you could be prescribed these medicines by any PCP to my knowledge.

Just wait until you get to clerkships. Part of pharmacology is understanding the human body and medicine as a whole, none of which psychologists learn. PCPs will prescribe Prozac if you're lucky, but that's about it. No PCP I'm aware of will prescribe mood stabilizers or TCAs (outside of for sleep), or MAOis, and the only time I see Seroquel prescribed by PCP, it's for sleep and I usually have to discontinue it.

 

[Mass Effect]

It’s actually a compliment to be mistaken for a nurse because people associate doctors with the image of wrinkly old guys.

It's really not.

 

[Mass Effect]

That’s ridiculous. I spent four years earning my PhD in psychology completed an hospital internship, residency, state licensing, and national board exams. I certainly don’t mind putting PhD, etc on my name tag but I’m certainly not gonna give up the ability to call myself doctor. I do believe I earned the right to use that title.

I disagree with you. You're not a medical doctor. You should not use it in the hospital where the assumption is that your doctorate is in medicine rather than psychology. Those are two different fields.

 

[Lawpy]

We're really not.

Lots to learn about psych. From @Mad Jack telling me psychiatrists can be duped to now psychiatrists being not that great in therapy

 

[Mad Jack]

Lots to learn about psych. From @Mad Jack telling me psychiatrists can be duped to now psychiatrists being not that great in therapy

Some are really good, but I view psychologists from good programs as the gold standard and you just can't get that good unless you do a lot of work after residency. Some programs have good training in therapy, but some are much more organically focused and do the minimum for therapy.