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[yayahey]

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This Turkish doctor is claiming that the demand for new physicians is going to go drastically down in the near future due to AI... are we cooked?

 

[Hollow Knight]

No, we aren’t cooked.

None of the language models can think. Or reason.

Once we have an “AI” that can reason, come talk to me about them replacing physicians.

People who aren’t in medicine don’t have any idea how hard being a doctor is. Or maybe it’s just because I plan on doing a generalist specialty filled with undifferentiated patients. But I’d say we’re good for at least 30 years, and I personally don’t think physicians will ever be replaced. Unless we invent something like Data from Star Trek

Edit: yeah, that Turkish “doctor” doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Complete AI-run surgeries in 10 years? Seriously? Even if the technology was here today, they’d have spend at least 10 years fighting the regulatory battles and writing new laws to regulate the industry.

 

[RangerBob]

I agree. You'll see major disruption in almost every other white collar job before medicine due to the regulatory hurdles (not to mention complexity/nuances of interacting with patients plus applying medical knowledge).

People won't trust a robot to be their doctor at least until they trust one to drive their car. We've yet to develop a true self-driving car. Lets see how long it takes to finish that development, and then see how long it takes the bulk of the population to trust it.

 

[Dral]

Bring it. I'd have an excuse to go into early retirement.

Seriously though, agree that the regulatory/legal stuff alone is going to be a big swamp to wade through. This isn't AI predicting which products will be in more or less demand at grocery stores during the pandemic.

 

[voxveritatisetlucis]

Well once they replace doctors then there will literally be no other professions left but yes it probably will happen due to corporate greed. They’ll probably start with mid level plus AI

 

[AJS59]

If AI is advanced enough and reliable enough to take over all physician jobs (including ones in specialized/interventional areas) then by that point we'll have hit a civilizational tipping point where no one has a job left. Lawyers, software engineers, finance bros, and every other high paying profession (and low paying ones!) that are not "movie star" or "professional athlete" will be utterly obliterated and we'll all be left to pray to Skynet every day.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Darn... gotta write an update already...

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IMO, the only way AI replaces "real physicians" is when you can't trust "real physicians" anymore, either because of "the healthcare system" or damage to the reputation of medicine. Perhaps AI will replace homeopaths first??? Hmm....

 

[Hollow Knight]

ehh could replace some aspects of primary care surely, no?

correct me if I'm wrong but primary care is basically just a decision tree with a physical aspect to checkups (that extenders could perform and AI doing the decision tree)

you're right though that regulations/lobbies/etc will protect doctors/hospitals as much as possible

Primary care is the hardest job in medicine because you’re seeing undifferentiated patients. You’re also responsible for knowing more material than the other specialties. If you practice it correctly. Primary care (and family medicine specifically) is the only specialty with a mortality benefit.

Now this is if you’re a family doc who can do women’s health, children, geriatrics, etc all at once and round on your inpatients as well. If by “Primary care” you mean a mid level who refers almost everyone they see and sends a patient with a candida diaper rash to the ER (yes, this has happened to me), then yeah, “primary care” is easy, but that’s not primary care, that’s a scam.

Now,do I look forward to an AI that can help me with screening guidelines and vaccination schedules? Sure. But you don’t need a doctor for that stuff anyway

 

[Mr.Smile12]

is healthcare not going in that direction? with patients googling and self-diagnosing their conditions, people lacking trust in the medical system because physicians/hospitals/insurance have been selling them out, etc.

Yes, it already took that direction over 20 years ago. At the minimum the AI-assisted searches already do this. We're already living in this reality, with warnings on being careful what you read on the internet. AI may help with pattern detection, especially when we have smart watches and rings collecting our personal health information every second that could be telemetered to some big AI data cruncher. Again, I don't think doctors get replaced... someone has to decipher all of that data beyond just the "WebMD" description. (There are plenty of seminars now focused on AI use in healthcare, and that's a challenge to keep up with it all.)

Many other factors are pushing doctors out, and it's more related to burnout and overload IMO (correct me if you have other ideas). On the Canadian side...