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[Premedofthesouth]

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I was just wondering which schools are still considered new and which schools are projected to open in the upcoming year or two/ which ones will we be able to apply for this upcoming application season.

 

[s5260205]

Consult AACOM CIB (google for pdf) which lists all the schools with some admissions information; there will be an updated one for the upcoming cycle.

 

[Goro]

PCOM-GA, VCOM-AL, ACOM, Wm Carey, CUSOM, MUCOM, LMU, VCOM-SC, LUCOM, PacNW.

Burrell (NM) is slated to open next year, last I heard.

 

[AlteredScale]

PCOM-GA, VCOM-AL, ACOM, Wm Carey, CUSOM, MUCOM, LMU, VCOM-SC, LUCOM, PacNW.

Burrell (NM) is slated to open next year, last I heard.

Do you think the schools that have been in COCA applicant status for 3+ years have any shot at opening? I see applicants who sent in their request in 2010!

 

[Goro]

Complex situation. I tend to not believe in them until I see them recruiting Faculty.

BTW, in just doing a google search on "new medical schools", look at the list for LCME! I wouldn't mind teaching in the Virgin Islands.

Pre-accredited MD Programs

Dell Medical School at The University of Texas Austin, TX Candidate
College of Henricopolis School of Medicine Martinsville, VA Applicant
King School of Medicine and Health Science Center Abingdon, VA Applicant
Roseman University of Health Sciences College of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education New York, NY Candidate
University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley School of Medicine Edinburg, TX Candidate
University of the Virgin Islands School of Medicine St. Thomas, VI Candidate

Do you think the schools that have been in COCA applicant status for 3+ years have any shot at opening? I see applicants who sent in their request in 2010!

 

[AlteredScale]

Complex situation. I tend to not believe in them until I see them recruiting Faculty.

BTW, in just doing a google search on "new medical schools", look at the list for LCME! I wouldn't mind teaching in the Virgin Islands.

Pre-accredited MD Programs

Dell Medical School at The University of Texas Austin, TX Candidate
College of Henricopolis School of Medicine Martinsville, VA Applicant
King School of Medicine and Health Science Center Abingdon, VA Applicant
Roseman University of Health Sciences College of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education New York, NY Candidate
University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley School of Medicine Edinburg, TX Candidate
University of the Virgin Islands School of Medicine St. Thomas, VI Candidate

Wow! I don't think I've seen LCME accreditation off the US/Canadian soil in my lifetime! Would be very nice though!

 

[mik30102]

Complex situation. I tend to not believe in them until I see them recruiting Faculty.

BTW, in just doing a google search on "new medical schools", look at the list for LCME! I wouldn't mind teaching in the Virgin Islands.

Pre-accredited MD Programs

Dell Medical School at The University of Texas Austin, TX Candidate
College of Henricopolis School of Medicine Martinsville, VA Applicant
King School of Medicine and Health Science Center Abingdon, VA Applicant
Roseman University of Health Sciences College of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education New York, NY Candidate
University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley School of Medicine Edinburg, TX Candidate
University of the Virgin Islands School of Medicine St. Thomas, VI Candidate

Looked into the Sophie Davis program, apparently they already do M1/M2 there and then send people to other schools for m3/m4?! I've never knew this existed.

 

[keels99]

Looked into the Sophie Davis program, apparently they already do M1/M2 there and then send people to other schools for m3/m4?! I've never knew this existed.

They probably don't have any hospitals to do rotations at yet since they are fairly new. That's my guess, anyway.

 

[mik30102]

They probably don't have any hospitals to do rotations at yet since they are fairly new. That's my guess, anyway.

From what I gathered its been going on for awhile. Its a accelerated 5 year MS1/MS2 with a BS that saves you a year. Then you do MS3/MS4 through one of the hospitals at one of the city med schools. They are trying to do MS3/MS4 inhouse now. Just think its strange I've never heard of it or seen it mentioned on sdn.

 

[keels99]

From what I gathered its been going on for awhile. Its a accelerated 5 year MS1/MS2 with a BS that saves you a year. Then you do MS3/MS4 through one of the hospitals at one of the city med schools. They are trying to do MS3/MS4 inhouse now. Just think its strange I've never heard of it or seen it mentioned on sdn.

That's interesting. Where do they send most of their students off to? And who do you ultimately get your degree from...?

 

[GypsyHummus]

If there was any doubt about the upcoming residency crunch, and pointing to the carribean being a bad place to go, this is proof in the pudding.

Do you foresee the government every expanding the amount of residencies in the US? At this growth rate, there might be USMD and DO students who go unmatched!

Complex situation. I tend to not believe in them until I see them recruiting Faculty.

BTW, in just doing a google search on "new medical schools", look at the list for LCME! I wouldn't mind teaching in the Virgin Islands.

Pre-accredited MD Programs

Dell Medical School at The University of Texas Austin, TX Candidate
College of Henricopolis School of Medicine Martinsville, VA Applicant
King School of Medicine and Health Science Center Abingdon, VA Applicant
Roseman University of Health Sciences College of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education New York, NY Candidate
University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Medicine Las Vegas, NV Applicant
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley School of Medicine Edinburg, TX Candidate
University of the Virgin Islands School of Medicine St. Thomas, VI Candidate

 

[allantois]

Not only American MD/DO graduates are increasing in number, but we also need to factor in that some osteopathic residencies (that only took DO students btw) are already closing in light of the upcoming merger.

 

[Goro]

IF the Gov't doesn't increase funding for residency slots, especially considering all the Baby Boom doctors who will be retiring, we'll have both the perverse situation of a doctor shortage and a medical school graduate glut!

I am hoping that the AOA and the AMA are smarter than the ABA.

If there was any doubt about the upcoming residency crunch, and pointing to the carribean being a bad place to go, this is proof in the pudding.

Do you foresee the government every expanding the amount of residencies in the US? At this growth rate, there might be USMD and DO students who go unmatched!

 

[arc5005]

Is it possible to apply to these programs?

 

[allantois]

Is it possible to apply to these programs?

No, LCME has to give them green light to start recruiting students. An interesting thing is if that happens in say January, the school may start recruiting students at that time

 

[boxer0011]

IF the Gov't doesn't increase funding for residency slots, especially considering all the Baby Boom doctors who will be retiring, we'll have both the perverse situation of a doctor shortage and a medical school graduate glut!

Do you think the government will increase funding? I hope so.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Do you think the government will increase funding? I hope so.

But with what money?

 

[keels99]

Do you think the government will increase funding? I hope so.

You should contact your representative about it. I've wrote mine a couple of letters already.

 

[boxer0011]

But with what money?

Well, the US spends some 580 billion on the military. Maybe .2 percent of that? I think the US has money but their must be a will. How much are medical organizations fighting for more residency slots? I know that the AMA wants more residency positions.

 

[allantois]

Well, the US spends some 580 billion on the military. Maybe .2 percent of that? I think the US has money but their must be a will. How much are medical organizations fighting for more residency slots? I know that the AMA wants more residency positions.

The government does spend on healthcare, quite a bit

 

[keels99]

The government does spend on healthcare, quite a bit

There is a crap load of wasteful spending though. I read this article the other day discussing just that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/h...omise-seen-in-us-health-care-system.html?_r=1

 

[Premedofthesouth]

PCOM-GA, VCOM-AL, ACOM, Wm Carey, CUSOM, MUCOM, LMU, VCOM-SC, LUCOM, PacNW.

Burrell (NM) is slated to open next year, last I heard.

Thanks Goro, you rock!

 

[NurWollen]

Not only American MD/DO graduates are increasing in number, but we also need to factor in that some osteopathic residencies (that only took DO students btw) are already closing in light of the upcoming merger.

Which DO residencies are 'already closong?' Any specific examples?

 

[Goro]

DO residency closings is news to me. I suspect someone confused "MD will be able to enter DO residencies" with "no more DO residencies".

Which DO residencies are 'already closong?' Any specific examples?

 

[NurWollen]

DO residency closings is news to me. I suspect someone confused "MD will be able to enter DO residencies" with "no more DO residencies".

Agreed. There are a few GME spots opening and closing every year... so even if an AOA residency or two closed this year, I would still be skeptical that it had anything to do with the new accreditation system or that it was some kind of herald of pending mass residency closures.

 

[allantois]

Agreed. There are a few GME spots opening and closing every year... so even if an AOA residency or two closed this year, I would still be skeptical that it had anything to do with the new accreditation system or that it was some kind of herald of pending mass residency closures.

I can't cite any concrete data or research into this inquiry because neither ACGME nor AOA have done any studies on how this merger will affect osteopathic residency programs. A number of professional colleges have expressed their concern that a number of their programs will have to shut down for not meeting new requirements of a single accreditation system.

Here are some of the concerns of the OB/GYN college:

"First, Obstetrics and Gynecology OGME sponsoring institutions may not immediately be able to meet the new substantial financial obligations imposed by ACGME standards on OGME programs that must seek ACGME accreditation between July 1, 2015 and June 30, 2020 or be closed."

"Currently OB/GYN OGME is conducted principally in medium sized institutions with a minimum of two residents per year, even though many have three or four residents per year. All OBGYN OGME subspecialty fellowships are structured for only one trainee per year. Will current programs be considered not in compliance based on size alone?"

"While it is true that the MOU will allow for an AOA/BOS/AOBOG program co-director, it seems such individuals will be primarily responsible for new standards, not yet written, for any ACGME program that chooses to be an osteopathic focused OB/GYN program. The ACGME would thus require that an ABMS board certified program director be hired within the MOU timetable or the OGME program will be closed by 2020"

http://www.acoog.org/docs/default-s...ntunifiedgmeaccreditationmay2014.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Similar concerns by other colleges:

http://www.saveogme.com/ACOFP letter.pdf
http://www.saveogme.com/ACOI Information April 2014.pdf

 

[noleknight16]

The government does spend on healthcare, quite a bit

That interest on the debt slice is too big

 

[NurWollen]

I cannot cite any concrete data or research into this inquiry because neither ACGME nor AOA have done any studies of how this merger will affect osteopathic residency programs. A number of professional colleges have expressed their concern that they will have to shut down a number of their programs as they won't meet new requirements of a single accreditation system.

Here are some of the concerns of the OB/GYN college:

"First, Obstetrics and Gynecology OGME sponsoring institutions may not immediately be able to meet the new substantial financial obligations imposed by ACGME standards on OGME programs that must seek ACGME accreditation between July 1, 2015 and June 30, 2020 or be closed."

"Currently OB/GYN OGME is conducted principally in medium sized institutions with a minimum of two residents per year, even though many have three or four residents per year. All OBGYN OGME subspecialty fellowships are structured for only one trainee per year. Will current programs be considered not in compliance based on size alone?"

"While it is true that the MOU will allow for an AOA/BOS/AOBOG program co-director, it seems such individuals will be primarily responsible for new standards, not yet written, for any ACGME program that chooses to be an osteopathic focused OB/GYN program. The ACGME would thus require that an ABMS board certified program director be hired within the MOU timetable or the OGME program will be closed by 2020"

http://www.acoog.org/docs/default-s...ntunifiedgmeaccreditationmay2014.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Similar concerns by other colleges:

http://www.saveogme.com/ACOFP letter.pdf
http://www.saveogme.com/ACOI Information April 2014.pdf

The ACGME residency review committees for internal medicine, family medicine, and radiology (and probably most others) have already said that AOA board certification will be considered acceptable for program directors in ACGME accredited residencies.

If a residency program is substandard, and can't raise the bar, it should be shut down.

 

[allantois]

The ACGME residency review committees for internal medicine, family medicine, and radiology (and probably most others) have already said that AOA board certification will be considered acceptable for program directors in ACGME accredited residencies.

If a residency program is substandard, and can't raise the bar, it should be shut down.

At the same time we should be sure that every graduating US student MD or DO is getting a residency position. How many programs will shut down, and how many more graduates will we have by 2020?
They will still be paying for their board certification, just to a different college. They might as well merge COCA together with LCME while at it 🙂

 

[NurWollen]

At the same time we should be sure that every graduating US student MD or DO is getting a residency position. How many programs will shut down, and how many more graduates will we have by 2020?
They will still be paying for their board certification, just to a different college. They might as well merge COCA together with LCME while at it 🙂

Fair enough. Ideally there would be a program in place, sponsored by the ACGME, with some sort of funding from one place or another, to help recidency programs meet ACGME accreditation standards.