Non- Research Based MPS Program?

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The chair is the chair of psych and famous, but why is the web site on tumblr?

Looks legit to me, if you want some publications (I'm assuming this program would result in pubs for students) to be competitive for a good PhD program.
 
idk, but it's a non research program I think. So you do a capstone, but idk if that'll be a thesis equivalent or anything.
 
It's a "Master of Professional Studies"? That's not a degree that is readily recognizable as a research-related degree, never mind a research degree, so I doubt it would be especially helpful as doctoral application preparation. The tumblr bit seriously had me wondering if the site was part of a research study (e.g., demand for clinical-ish masters level training), although I guess the program is part of the university's extension school.
 
idk, but it's a non research program I think. So you do a capstone, but idk if that'll be a thesis equivalent or anything.

What makes it look like it's non-research? UMD is a productive program and I don't think they need to have masters' cash mules like some programs might. Two of the three faculty (couldn't find the cv for the third) are productive researchers. Looks fine to me, but that's predicated on this being something that generates pubs for the students.
 
What makes it look like it's non-research? UMD is a productive program and I don't think they need to have masters' cash mules like some programs might. Two of the three faculty (couldn't find the cv for the third) are productive researchers. Looks fine to me, but that's predicated on this being something that generates pubs for the students.

Because it's a borderline part time program and it doesn't require you to work any research at all. I have a friend in it who does research and works in a lab full time while doing this program at a government lab that's not sponsored by the program. Overall it seems like the program conveys confusing messages about what it entails.
 
The site specifically states that students are "positioned to be project managers in laboratories focusing on mental health." So not too certain how one concludes it's non-research related. That statement would lead me to believe there's some research training/component that makes one proficient and competent enough to make such a claim.

You may want to contact the program and ask them about specifics. My first master's may not be "easily recognizable" to some as a research degree (it's in applied psych). However, I focused on experimental psych and I did complete a thesis--compared to many others who focused on more practical tracks (I-O, health, etc. and often opted to complete the capstone instead). There may be options beyond the minimum requirements (thesis instead of capstone; more research; etc.). You won't know unless you ask.
 
Because it's a borderline part time program and it doesn't require you to work any research at all. I have a friend in it who does research and works in a lab full time while doing this program at a government lab that's not sponsored by the program. Overall it seems like the program conveys confusing messages about what it entails.

I know lots of people who got into funded PhD programs only to ignore opportunities, and do nothing. Are you saying your friend's experience is indicative of such opportunities not existing in the program? That seems doubtful to me given that the Blanchard is attaching his name to it. I don't see how the program would do what it says it does, as para said, without research opportunities.
 
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I know lots of people who got into funded PhD programs only to ignore opportunities, and do nothing. Are you saying your friend's experience is indicative of such opportunities not existing in the program? That seems doubtful to me given that the Blanchard is attaching his name to it. I don't see how the program would do what it says it does, as para said, without research opportunities.

It seems like this is the case. The program may advertise programs in the area that are hiring lab assistants, but that's about it.
 
Serenade, if you're asking for yourself in trying to decide on masters programs that will improve your chances to get into a research-oriented clinical doctoral program, in my opinion this program as it is described will not be especially helpful, and in fact might make admissions folks wary in the same way that a practice-based masters makes them wary (i.e., faculty at research-oriented programs often wonder if a person with a non-research masters degree is actually interested in research).

It seems that this MPS program is quite new, and its goals do seem to be to expose students to a clinical science "approach", but the exposure seems to be more conceptual through coursework and there is very little evidence of actual research training within the program. Yes, MCParent, of course a student COULD find research opportunities, but they don't appear to be built into the program itself.

One even lower bar for a masters program to count as a program that actually prepares students for doctoral programs is to consider whether a student with no prior training in psychology (i.e., majored in something else for undergrad) could complete all basic required pre-doctoral psychology coursework within the masters program. Unless this program has figured out how to comprehensively teach both statistics and experimental methods within a single semester (3hrs/wk, 12 week duration) of "Research Methods in Clinical Psychology", the program doesn't even seem to offer stats, and it definitely does not offer breadth courses in other subareas of psychology. The site gracefully sidesteps this issue by stating that the program "can serve as academic preparation for those interested in pursuing further doctoral training in clinical or counseling psychology"; note that the site does not promise comprehensive nor sufficient academic preparation for doctoral applications.

No GRE required, no statement of class size (especially relative to the very small faculty), the "capstone" appears to be a lit review, etc. As a continuing education/extension school offering, I think the program probably delivers exactly what it says (if you read the language very carefully). I could see someone wanting to learn the clinical science approach conceptually to augment other training. The reason I'm taking the time to read and write more about it is because I don't think most potential applicants read between the lines, and it bothers me when students spend money and time on programs from which they'll only get a solid training experience if they fight for it themselves (and apparently figure out how to take additional classes outside the program).
 
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Right, I'm asking mostly for interest. I don't know how my cycle this year is going to end up so I thought it may be worthwhile to research a few masters programs either in psych or cell bio in the area. Generally it seems like this program wasn't great from the beginning, but I felt like getting some personal perspective on the matter.

I think I'm going to potentially just search for a lab assistantship in the area or maybe take the GRE and apply for a research based masters program.
 
It seems like a poor conceived degree, at least based on how it is described on the website. At worst it is a way to fund some Ph.D.s through the dept. At best it is a new program that needs to figure out exactly what it wants to be. It should be able to state if it is meant to prepare a student to be competitive for a Ph.D. program or if it is instead meant as terminal training. It could do both, but based on the course titles I'd say it is a non-licensable degree program that teaches interesting classes w/o providing the research rigor that is needed to raise a student's application for Ph.D. programs.
 
Alright I'll pose you guys a different question. Are there any psychology or biology masters programs that will take an mcat score in the stead of a GRE? I mean I really would rather not spend a few weeks studying for another exam and then 100 bucks on it. Or am I doomed to have to take it if I want to get a masters?
 
You should be asking a different question..."What are the psychology or biology masters programs that I should consider?" To limit yourself by their application req. is short-sighted because many times the better programs will require standardized scores because it matters to them.
 
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