NonTraditional Student, pulling the trigger, and I need to tell someone.

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I am a 29 year old woman, married, with two children and a house in NYC.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a witch doctor (yes its strange) because I had not met a real doctor until I was a teenager in the States. Once I did, my goal was pretty clear. I applied to a BS/MD program and was accepted, full scholarship.
Unfortunately, I couldn't hang in the program socially. I was too awkward, too country, too black, too honest, too naive. I isolated myself from a lot of people by being honest, and not politically correct, not sensitive, and they ostracized me in turn. My professors and dean took notice. They set me up with a counselor, I had frequent meetings with the dean, but my grades began to slip. I was barely going to class by my second year. I had gotten a job, made friends in a different major, and then I got a D in physics. Had a meeting with the dean who again sympathized and told me I could retake the class, but I should take leave for some time first, to get my head into the game. I said something but I don't quite remember what, because what he said next would sear itself into my brain for the next ten years. He told me that this was my best chance at becoming a doctor, because I had the ultimate recipe for failure. I came from a poor family, an immigrant family, I was black, and a woman at that. I told him I would take the leave, then I quietly dropped out of college. It was embarrassing honestly. I would get dressed in the morning, with my bag-pack and such, and leave like I was going to school, but go to work instead. Ugh, the whole memory of it just makes me want to gag.
Anyhow, after a few months, I couldn't take the humiliation of it all, so I closed my eyes, and pointed to a spot on the US map. Did a google search on schools in the neighborhood and ended up moving out to Miami. I enrolled in a Nursing program there, had to start from scratch, completed it all in 3 years. My first year, I completed something like 50 credits?
In any case, at this school, my STEM GPA is 4.0. A&P, Microbiology, Org Chem 1&2, BioChem 1. I tutored org. chemistry for the next two years while I completed my nursing courses. After I graduated, failing that physics course burned me up, so I did a non-degree seeking at FAU, took physics and got an A which helped me sleep better at night.

In the time between that and 29, academically I've completed my Masters in Nursing, and am now almost finished with a post-masters cert as a Nurse practitioner. I am 3 months from starting clinical rotations. Passed my board certifications. Worked at a great institution back in NYC making 6 figures. I have 2 cute kids, a sexy and loving husband, and a house to boot, but gosh darn it, I just feel like I made a huge mistake. I'm not sure at what point it happened....but I just know, that all of this additional training and education I'm getting, it's like drinking a Diet Coke, and telling yourself its as good as a Coke.
I find myself frequently thinking, I'd be done by now. I look at my old classmates, all physicians somewhere. My friend in HS just graduated Med School and is in his ER residency. Sigh, I just....... sigh

So, I'm going to give it the good old college try. Frankly, at this point, I'm not super interested in jumping into 4 years of schooling and the anxiousness and anxiety that comes along with that. But dang it, I don't want to be an old woman who realizes she gave up on her dream because she was comfortable. So, I'll be taking the MCAT at the end of this month, and while I study in secret, I just needed to let someone know.
I think I need some help, but I'm not sure how to ask. I want to try so badly, and I don't want to be shut down.
 
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First of all, stop beating yourself up about not being ready “on time”...there’s no such thing! The truth is that back then you weren’t ready, and now you are. I’m 40, a 1st year med student, with a family. I’ve beaten myself up sooo many times that I didn’t do this the “right way”, that it really hurt me and pushed back my progress.

The truth is that if I had been pre-med at 18, I wouldn’t have had my beautiful kids (I have a lot!) because I would have been focused on school. If I had had all those kids, I wouldn’t have been able to get through med school and residency with a large, young family. Or my husband wouldn’t have been able to finish his degree until later, which put us in the financial position to move so I could go to med school in the first place.

The bottom line is that the “right” time for you may be NOW, and telling yourself that did it “wrong” before is punishing yourself for what you HAVE achieved.

Now, how can we help?
 
What sort of help do you think you need, and who is it that you’re afraid to ask? You shouldn’t be doing this all in secret. Is your husband on board? How long have you been studying for the MCAT? Have you taken practice exams, and if so, what are you scoring?

If you are “not super interested in jumping into 4 years of schooling” then why exactly are you doing this? That sounds like a recipe for failure if once again, your head isn’t in the game.

I do know that in your situation, if you are determined and persistent, you certainly have a chance. I, myself, am a 32 year old non traditional and mother who was recently accepted to medical school.

You referred to your nursing education and experience as “drinking a Diet Coke and telling yourself it’s as good as a Coke.” Maybe the Diet Coke is better for you... after all it is zero calories.
 
I don't have much input on your path/goals, as I think you're better equipped to know what you want than anyone on here. Personally, if I was within arm's reach of becoming an NP, there's no way I would go to med school, as you can practice QUITE independently as an NP these days (despite pushback) and honestly, if you're trying to reach a certain demographic you relate to, you might be surprised to learn they're more comfortable with you. (I personally go to a licensed physician however 4/5 times I see the NP in the office because A) it's quicker B) she's a woman trained specially in women's health, and C) sometimes I want to get in and out with what I need without having to do a full blood workup and she seems to understand that more.

Nurses are hands-down more compassionate than physicians in most cases (I don't care if I get flamed for that, you can argue me but show me a physician who's willing to clean bedsores and wipe ass for 12 hours straight for half the pay and I'll eat my hat). MOST people appreciate that. I suspect you've been bullied by the subset of self-hating students and practitioners who tout "my degree is better than yours!" instead of respecting the multi-tiered system of supports that integrative medicine now is.

IF I were you, I would finish the NP clinicals, find a workplace you feel comfortable at, and start bringing in 6 figs for your family, who've been waiting all this time while you pound physics equations, to finally feel the reward in losing your attention. Med school....that's 4 more years you put them on the bench. And MCAT? You need more than 1 month to prep, even if you were a superstudent with no distractions.

BUT I am not you, so do what's in your heart. Now, I'll say what I really came here to say....if you're going to kick it here on SDN, maybe avoid phrases like "pull the trigger" in the title, because every medical-minded person wonders if we have a suicidal comrade on our hand 🙂 Maybe...."take the leap"? 😉

Good luck!
 
you are not defined by just one thing. you are many things all at once

whether it's a physician or a nurse practitioner, it's just one aspect of your identity.

you can also redefine your dream to: make a positive impact on humanity by offering your service in healthcare.

what other individuals have done is irrelevant to you. your story is unique to you. if your heart points to med school, give it a go! if you will be just as content practicing as a NP, that's fine too! you'll never know until you begin working tho, so, get your cert done.
 
Good luck on the MCAT and there's no harm in sitting for the exam if you are adequately prepared. Just know, it's not just 4 years of schooling but some of the hardest schooling of your life with tons of scarifies along the way followed by at least two more years of residency. If you're not super interested in school, and you are currently comfortable, I do not think this is a good path. That said, based on personal experience, you will likely continue on so just make sure you understand your why along the way. Maybe even jot down a pros/cons list.


Frankly, at this point, I'm not super interested in jumping into 4 years of schooling and the anxiousness and anxiety that comes along with that. But dang it, I don't want to be an old woman who realizes she gave up on her dream because she was comfortable. So, I'll be taking the MCAT at the end of this month, and while I study in secret, I just needed to let someone know.
I think I need some help, but I'm not sure how to ask. I want to try so badly, and I don't want to be shut down.
 
First of all, stop beating yourself up about not being ready “on time”...there’s no such thing! The truth is that back then you weren’t ready, and now you are. I’m 40, a 1st year med student, with a family. I’ve beaten myself up sooo many times that I didn’t do this the “right way”, that it really hurt me and pushed back my progress.

The truth is that if I had been pre-med at 18, I wouldn’t have had my beautiful kids (I have a lot!) because I would have been focused on school. If I had had all those kids, I wouldn’t have been able to get through med school and residency with a large, young family. Or my husband wouldn’t have been able to finish his degree until later, which put us in the financial position to move so I could go to med school in the first place.

The bottom line is that the “right” time for you may be NOW, and telling yourself that did it “wrong” before is punishing yourself for what you HAVE achieved.

Now, how can we help?
I have had very similar thoughts about my family, and one reason it has taken me "so long" is because I put raising my family first. Did you directly address that in your application i.e. I focused on my family first and now that they are older, it is time to focus on MY career? Or something like that?
 
I have had very similar thoughts about my family, and one reason it has taken me "so long" is because I put raising my family first. Did you directly address that in your application i.e. I focused on my family first and now that they are older, it is time to focus on MY career? Or something like that?

Yes...I look at medicine as a second career. My first was being a full-time, stay at home mom, and when my youngest child started school and became more independent I went back to school too.

I wrote about it in my PS, but only a couple of sentences to sort of explain “why now”.
 
Yes...I look at medicine as a second career. My first was being a full-time, stay at home mom, and when my youngest child started school and became more independent I went back to school too.

I wrote about it in my PS, but only a couple of sentences to sort of explain “why now”.
That is very insightful! I diverted going to med school in my 20s because my focus was on having a steady income then to support my kids and slowly go through the pre-med requirements to eventually apply. It got drawn out longer than I thought, but if I could go back I'd change very little. Thank you so much for the advice!
 
I’m an MS1 with 6 kids (ages 4-14), 41 y/o. I gave up a good career- probably taking a pay cut when you factor in all the variables involved. I feel like it’s worth it. My biggest regret would be waking up one day at 49 years old and having to say “if I started the journey X years ago, I would have finished today...” so here I am, making sure I never have that moment.
 
I am a 29 year old woman, married, with two children and a house in NYC.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be a witch doctor (yes its strange) because I had not met a real doctor until I was a teenager in the States. Once I did, my goal was pretty clear. I applied to a BS/MD program and was accepted, full scholarship.
Unfortunately, I couldn't hang in the program socially. I was too awkward, too country, too black, too honest, too naive. I isolated myself from a lot of people by being honest, and not politically correct, not sensitive, and they ostracized me in turn. My professors and dean took notice. They set me up with a counselor, I had frequent meetings with the dean, but my grades began to slip. I was barely going to class by my second year. I had gotten a job, made friends in a different major, and then I got a D in physics. Had a meeting with the dean who again sympathized and told me I could retake the class, but I should take leave for some time first, to get my head into the game. I said something but I don't quite remember what, because what he said next would sear itself into my brain for the next ten years. He told me that this was my best chance at becoming a doctor, because I had the ultimate recipe for failure. I came from a poor family, an immigrant family, I was black, and a woman at that. I told him I would take the leave, then I quietly dropped out of college. It was embarrassing honestly. I would get dressed in the morning, with my bag-pack and such, and leave like I was going to school, but go to work instead. Ugh, the whole memory of it just makes me want to gag.
Anyhow, after a few months, I couldn't take the humiliation of it all, so I closed my eyes, and pointed to a spot on the US map. Did a google search on schools in the neighborhood and ended up moving out to Miami. I enrolled in a Nursing program there, had to start from scratch, completed it all in 3 years. My first year, I completed something like 50 credits?
In any case, at this school, my STEM GPA is 4.0. A&P, Microbiology, Org Chem 1&2, BioChem 1. I tutored org. chemistry for the next two years while I completed my nursing courses. After I graduated, failing that physics course burned me up, so I did a non-degree seeking at FAU, took physics and got an A which helped me sleep better at night.

In the time between that and 29, academically I've completed my Masters in Nursing, and am now almost finished with a post-masters cert as a Nurse practitioner. I am 3 months from starting clinical rotations. Passed my board certifications. Worked at a great institution back in NYC making 6 figures. I have 2 cute kids, a sexy and loving husband, and a house to boot, but gosh darn it, I just feel like I made a huge mistake. I'm not sure at what point it happened....but I just know, that all of this additional training and education I'm getting, it's like drinking a Diet Coke, and telling yourself its as good as a Coke.
I find myself frequently thinking, I'd be done by now. I look at my old classmates, all physicians somewhere. My friend in HS just graduated Med School and is in his ER residency. Sigh, I just....... sigh

So, I'm going to give it the good old college try. Frankly, at this point, I'm not super interested in jumping into 4 years of schooling and the anxiousness and anxiety that comes along with that. But dang it, I don't want to be an old woman who realizes she gave up on her dream because she was comfortable. So, I'll be taking the MCAT at the end of this month, and while I study in secret, I just needed to let someone know.
I think I need some help, but I'm not sure how to ask. I want to try so badly, and I don't want to be shut down.
What does your heart tell you???
 
You're in a good place. You are still young. Finish your degree, see how you feel while doing your clinicals, and study for the MCAT. If clinicals point you in the direction of primary care or women's health, it might make sense to stay an NP, because an MD degree won't make a huge difference in what you can do in those fields. If you fall in love with surgery, or a subspecialty, you'll need that MD. And you're not alone--there were at least 3 NPs or APRNs in my medical school class (they all finished, and they are all doing just fine).
 
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