Not enough money from GradPlus

[olabrador23]

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sorry as it might be off-topic. I was reading the thread and saw that @Modest_anteater was removed? What happened?

 

[owlegrad]

Wow people really miss Modest anteater. R.I.P.

 

[zelman]

For the non moms. View attachment 265192

That doesn’t really answer the question

 

[olabrador23]

Wow people really miss Modest anteater. R.I.P.

well, sounds like you are not a fan But I am wondering really what he did?

 

[owlegrad]

well, sounds like you are not a fan But I am wondering really what he did?

Oh I don’t know if I would say that. Most of the time I found his posts entertaining.

I suspect it was the trolling that got him banned.

 

[olabrador23]

Oh I don’t know if I would say that. Most of the time I found his posts entertaining.

I suspect it was the trolling that got him banned.

that is interesting

 

[mentos]

Oh I don’t know if I would say that. Most of the time I found his posts entertaining.

I suspect it was the trolling that got him banned.

I don't think he ever trolled, he was serious.

 

[JustFillIt]

I have a situation and need someone who knows or has been through it. I am leaving IL to go to school in TN. My husband and our daughter are staying behind for her final senior year of high school. We have a mortgage and lots of debt plus car payments, utilities, etc. I am losing my entire income and GradPlus + his income is not going to cut covering my costs in TN and help with our outstanding monthly payments in IL. I was wondering if anyone went through this and if you can get a personal student loan on top of GradPlus or if its one or the other. I just need people to advise what they have done to make it work. I can't sell my house because they all need to live in there. Please assist. I did get approved for an additional 15k from Discover student loans but considering the COA and all that I am not sure they will give me that money since everything is covered by Unsub + GradPlus.
Thank You in advance

There comes a point in time where you truly have to ask the honest question.

“Can I, in my current circumstance, afford this thing that I want to buy”

 

[owlegrad]

I don't think he ever trolled, he was serious.

He was really, really good at it. Thats why he lasted so long.

Also serious and trolling are not mutually exclusive.

 

[olabrador23]

He was really, really good at it. Thats why he lasted so long.

Also serious and trolling are not mutually exclusive.

sounds like you did know what happened. I reread his posts and could not realy find anything that he said that was offensive to me.

careers

Hey question. what if you graduated medical school but failed to match 3 times? and you want to do pharmacy school? how many years? also what should you do?

forums.studentdoctor.net

I also saw so many people got banned and removed and almost never found anything offensive when I read their posts out of curiosity to see why. In contrast, many people I think that are offensive / trolling have been on here a long time and nothing happens to them.

wondering how this removal / banning process works?

Oh I don’t know if I would say that. Most of the time I found his posts entertaining.

I suspect it was the trolling that got him banned.

 

[owlegrad]

sounds like you did know what happened. I reread his posts and could not realy find anything that he said that was offensive to me.

careers

Hey question. what if you graduated medical school but failed to match 3 times? and you want to do pharmacy school? how many years? also what should you do?

forums.studentdoctor.net

I also saw so many people got banned and removed and almost never found anything offensive when I read their posts out of curiosity to see why. In contrast, many people I think that are offensive / trolling have been on here a long time and nothing happens to them.

wondering how this removal / banning process works?

Sometimes when posts are really offensive we remove them. And some people are banned for being returned trolls and they won't always have "smoking gun" offensive posts. So it won't always be immediately obvious why someone was removed.

The only reason any user is banned is for violating the TOS. Except for the most extreme cases we also only ban after repeated warnings/infractions being given to the user.

 

[olabrador23]

Sometimes when posts are really offensive we remove them. And some people are banned for being returned trolls and they won't always have "smoking gun" offensive posts. So it won't always be immediately obvious why someone was removed.

The only reason any user is banned is for violating the TOS. Except for the most extreme cases we also only ban after repeated warnings/infractions being given to the user.

Yes, I was thinking that the process should be more transparent so that nobody could think otherwise or that power could not be abused.

Thank you for the explanation!

 

[owlegrad]

Yes, I was thinking that the process should be more transparent so that nobody could think otherwise or that power could not be abused.

Thank you for the explanation!

Yeah but when we leave up really offensive posts people complain about how toxic and negative SDN is. Honestly, you can't please everybody.

 

[olabrador23]

Yeah but when we leave up really offensive posts people complain about how toxic and negative SDN is. Honestly, you can't please everybody.

maybe, for the sake of freedom of speech and democracy, for those "allegedly" offensive posts, a warning could be put on top of the post to warn people about the "potentially offensive" nature of the post. Those who choose to click through to read it, then it is on them. Those read the warning and choose not to click through, it is on them too.

Just some suggestion, but when I thought of that, I also thought that you guys might have to work more for the technical things to allow things to work on the website, which would cost more resources. You are right, cannot please anyone then 🙂

 

[Rainbowdash]

OP, you have a child who is about to graduate hs. And you want to take more loans for yourself? You need to concentrate on your child's college costs, imho. Downsize, sell everything you don't need, keep your current job. Check out mmm forums.

 

[lord999]

maybe, for the sake of freedom of speech and democracy, for those "allegedly" offensive posts, a warning could be put on top of the post to warn people about the "potentially offensive" nature of the post. Those who choose to click through to read it, then it is on them. Those read the warning and choose not to click through, it is on them too.

Just some suggestion, but when I thought of that, I also thought that you guys might have to work more for the technical things to allow things to work on the website, which would cost more resources. You are right, cannot please anyone then 🙂

I disagree on the "freedom of speech and democracy" as hate speech is not protected speech. When I was mod, there were a couple of just atrocious posts by non-students/non-practitioners that were so beneath the level of conversation that it would not add to the conversation by leaving them up (a really degrading post about women pharmacists that even the relatively placid @WVUPharm2007 ended up reporting and an anti-Muslim post against a known member that was inflammatory). Freedom of speech is not an unlimited right, it is a specific right with respect to political expression. Also, let's just say one of the previous moderators prior to @owlegrad had a very expansive view of offense to the point that some old members have some post policing immunity from any administrator before a certain time period (Mom and Sleestak can yank still us if we stray too far, which doesn't happen as we're not that stupid).

Moderators really shouldn't need to police "us", those limits should be self-evident to each of us. Sometimes, there are exceptions as everyone makes mistakes, but it shouldn't be a routine matter.

That said, without hard IP bans or Doximity verifications, I expect Humble Sloth to be back someday.

And writing this, I'm aware that I'm just begging owlegrad to post edit this due to being so OT, I realize this shouldn't be the place to talk about mod balance.

 

[owlegrad]

Oh I have never been an On Topic sort of mod so you needn’t worry about that with me. And I doubt this thread has any more value for the OP so I wouldn’t worry that we are derailing too much.

 

[olabrador23]

I disagree on the "freedom of speech and democracy" as hate speech is not protected speech. When I was mod, there were a couple of just atrocious posts by non-students/non-practitioners that were so beneath the level of conversation that it would not add to the conversation by leaving them up (a really degrading post about women pharmacists that even the relatively placid @WVUPharm2007 ended up reporting and an anti-Muslim post against a known member that was inflammatory). Freedom of speech is not an unlimited right, it is a specific right with respect to political expression. Also, let's just say one of the previous moderators prior to @owlegrad had a very expansive view of offense to the point that some old members have some post policing immunity from any administrator before a certain time period (Mom and Sleestak can yank still us if we stray too far, which doesn't happen as we're not that stupid).

Moderators really shouldn't need to police "us", those limits should be self-evident to each of us. Sometimes, there are exceptions as everyone makes mistakes, but it shouldn't be a routine matter.

That said, without hard IP bans or Doximity verifications, I expect Humble Sloth to be back someday.

And writing this, I'm aware that I'm just begging owlegrad to post edit this due to being so OT, I realize this shouldn't be the place to talk about mod balance.

we might be different in ideas and opinions but I think we would all agree on good and respectful discussion. Appreciate you!

 

[BidingMyTime]

I don't think he ever trolled, he was serious.

His going back and forth between being a pharmacy student and a pharmacist was a big clue that he was trolling (sometimes it seemed from a post that he had zero pharmacy experience. in any form.) Although I suspect he was serious about at least half of the stuff he said. But I tend to be gullible, so I'm probably way off base there.

That said, without hard IP bans or Doximity verifications, I expect Humble Sloth to be back someday.

Ahh yes, that would explain Modest Anteater's sudden removal. As for hard IP bans, I don't see how that can be done when most people have a dynamic IP, and not a static IP. I would assume when someone does have a static IP, then that IP would be banned, when the user was banned (although it wouldn't be too hard for the person to come back with a dynamic IP.) As for Doximity verifications (or something similar, since students or people investigating different professions wouldn't be on Doximity, and the boards were originally and primarily set up for students ), that would probably lose half the posters or more, because many people like being quasi-anonymous on message boards (granted there is no real anonymity on the internet.) Or would just be too lazy to get vetted.