Not reporting community college grades???

[PreMedPrincess]

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I was talking to a friend the other day and he was telling me how he took classes at some jr. college out of state which he did not do particularly good in. Then he went on to arrogantly say that he is not going to report the grades in med-school apps because there is no way med-schools can trace it.

I know people do this and i know some get caught. On the flip side some never get caught...i don't want to rat this guy out...he is my friend...i just hate cheaters.

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

 

[jon stewart]

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

yea there is, tell him that if the school ever finds out that he can be expelled from med school and even have his MD license revoked if he doesn't report such required information....

 

[baylormed]

I hate cheaters. 😡

 

[KaraKiz]

i agree. if this guy gets caught, he can forget about ever going to med school. A professor of mine who works closely with Adcomms said that people who cheat the system and get caught get blacklisted. literally. thats why they make such a big deal about getting letters from your pre-med advisor - basically so they can make sure they are legit. anecdotally, he was contacted by the Univ of Maryland SOM dean (his good friend) who said, wow that was a great letter that you wrote for so-and-so. except my professor never wrote this guy a letter. the guy asked him for a letter and my prof said no, so the guy wrote one anyway and forged his signature. no medical school would take him after that.

 

[MasonPrehealth]

I was talking to a friend the other day and he was telling me how he took classes at some jr. college out of state which he did not do particularly good in. Then he went on to arrogantly say that he is not going to report the grades in med-school apps because there is no way med-schools can trace it.

I know people do this and i know some get caught. On the flip side some never get caught...i don't want to rat this guy out...he is my friend...i just hate cheaters.

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

You shouldn't tell him anything. Let his prehealth advisor tell him.

 

[Haemulon]

I would love to have left out my 4 community college summer courses. Got B's on them becuase I was just taking them for fun and they were transferring in as pass/fail anyway. It killed my AMCAS GPA (science and non-sci). However, I reported them anyway. Blast it all. 🙁

 

[DoctaJay]

I was talking to a friend the other day and he was telling me how he took classes at some jr. college out of state which he did not do particularly good in. Then he went on to arrogantly say that he is not going to report the grades in med-school apps because there is no way med-schools can trace it.

I know people do this and i know some get caught. On the flip side some never get caught...i don't want to rat this guy out...he is my friend...i just hate cheaters.

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

Some folks really don't understand how the medschool application process goes. I think that you would be a good friend by letting him know that they can find out. Now I don't think they would actually go out and look unless they had grounds to think that this person was dishonest, but if they did look they could discover his CC classes and end his medical career.

 

[deuist]

I would love to have left out my 4 community college summer courses. Got B's on them becuase I was just taking them for fun and they were transferring in as pass/fail anyway. It killed my AMCAS GPA (science and non-sci). However, I reported them anyway. Blast it all. 🙁

If by 4 you mean 20, and if by B's you mean D's, then I'll believe you. According to your MDapplicant's profile, your GPA was 3.4 in undergrad. There is no way that 4 B's dropped your overall average that much. With a 120 credit degree, 4 B's will lower your GPA by 0.1 points.

 

[BeatrixKiddo]

I would love to have left out my 4 community college summer courses. Got B's on them becuase I was just taking them for fun and they were transferring in as pass/fail anyway. It killed my AMCAS GPA (science and non-sci). However, I reported them anyway. Blast it all. 🙁

Ditto, except I got 2 C's but that was in high school dual enrollment when my dream job was to be a housewife. Well it still is, but like yeah, more relaistic namean

If by 4 you mean 20, and if by B's you mean D's, then I'll believe you. According to your MDapplicant's profile, your GPA was 3.4 in undergrad. There is no way that 4 B's dropped your overall average that much. With a 120 credit degree, 4 B's will lower your GPA by 0.1 points.

How much will 3 C's lower my GPA average?

 

[Non-TradTulsa]

Well, AMCAS may not find some isolated CC grades if they're not reported, but I think a fraudulent application is an awful way to start a career.

However, you might tell him - AMCAS may not have the time or resources to track-down the transcript he chose to hide, but malpractice lawyers are often quite a bit more motivated and persistent.

Even many years from now, the consequences of having lied at the outset could be severe.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Then he went on to arrogantly say that he is not going to report the grades in med-school apps because there is no way med-schools can trace it.

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

In the internet age it is so easy to find this stuff out. Most colleges participate in the National Student Clearninghouse. Some schools may not choose to run a search, but it only takes a matter of seconds for an institution to see if you've reported all transcripts.

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/

 

[Haemulon]

If by 4 you mean 20, and if by B's you mean D's, then I'll believe you. According to your MDapplicant's profile, your GPA was 3.4 in undergrad. There is no way that 4 B's dropped your overall average that much. With a 120 credit degree, 4 B's will lower your GPA by 0.1 points.

The impact of a course on your GPA depends upon the number of credit hours of the course, your grade in the course, your GPA and credit hours before the course, and how many of the courses count towards your GPA (pass/fail courses obviously arn't included for instance, but still count towards your credit hours). If you have a 3.0 average for instance, getting 4 B's will not change your GPA at all. If you have a 4.0 GPA at 104 credits and then take 16 more credits with B's (4 science classes for instance), you drop your GPA to a 3.86. If you started with a 3.9, you could end up with a 3.78 by getting 16 credits of B's. It may only be .12 drop, but a 3.9 definitely looks different than a 3.78 on paper.

Now while your point is taken that it is still in the range of a .1 or so drop, I would argue that every point counts. Especially when someone is in the middle range of grades, a drop from almost a 3.6 to the 3.4 range (my situation) can be really frustrating and may even make a difference on getting or not getting that one particular interview one is hoping for. Feel free to believe or not believe what you want about my own situation. But I see no reason for you to be so critical of me when I am just sharing my experience and trying to show empathy with others.

 

[SamaraMorgan]

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[BigBoyOrtho]

In the internet age it is so easy to find this stuff out. Most colleges participate in the National Student Clearninghouse. Some schools may not choose to run a search, but it only takes a matter of seconds for an institution to see if you've reported all transcripts.

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/

woah..is that site legal?

how can they give out student information like that?

 

[Compass]

If you're going to cheat your way past people who earned all their grades, your career isn't the only thing in jeopardy. Your ethics are being placed in disregard with just this act. If your friends don't trust you, how would your patients trust you if they found out?

 

[Captain Fantastic]

woah..is that site legal?

how can they give out student information like that?

The Department of Education has found the Clearinghouse's services to be FERPA compliant. Students have the right to opt out of directory information disclosures, of course very few actually go to the trouble to exercise this right. Check into it at your school -- they have a form you can sign.

 

[BigBoyOrtho]

damn...even so...what are the odds of med-schools checking each and every applicant's background.

i could see how it would be a useful tool for lawyers.

 

[BigBoyOrtho]

just rat em out...

they probably wont find out unless

YOU...RAT...HIM..OUT

🙂

 

[MadHopsMD]

I was talking to a friend the other day and he was telling me how he took classes at some jr. college out of state which he did not do particularly good in. Then he went on to arrogantly say that he is not going to report the grades in med-school apps because there is no way med-schools can trace it.

I know people do this and i know some get caught. On the flip side some never get caught...i don't want to rat this guy out...he is my friend...i just hate cheaters.

is there anything I can tell this guy? Will he get caught?

If you really hate him...wait till he gets accepted and is feeling the TOP of the world. and then you anonymously forward an email to the DEAN (remember to send a CC to him)...😀 😎

Even worse, is if he gets accepted to a private school. Write a email to the Dean (remember to send a CC to him again) IN his MS-IV year. This way he will not only be not allowed an MD BUT will lose 250 Grand.

Damm it I am so evil 😀 😉 😛

 

[BigBoyOrtho]

If you really hate him...wait till he gets accepted and is feeling the TOP of the world. and then you anonymously forward an email to the DEAN (remember to send a CC to him)...😀 😎

Even worse, is if he gets accepted to a private school. Write a email to the Dean (remember to send a CC to him again) IN his MS-IV year. This way he will not only be not allowed an MD BUT will lose 250 Grand.

Damm it I am so evil 😀 😉 😛

Brilliant. So evil...

 

[SilkandSteel]

Eeeeew, cheaters. 😡

Honestly, though, I wouldn't rat them out. That to me feels wrong, especially if you consider this person a friend. If they weren't a friend, then whatever, tell away. But as a friend, I think it's wrong to rat them out. The fact that they've behaved poorly, and they have, is no reason for you to.

I would, however, feel no qualms about exaggerating to scare him by telling him that Med schools CAN find out, WILL find out, and it will RUIN his medical career. I would try my hardest to convince this guy that this is a huge risk he is taking and that he should not under any circumstances do it.

~Silk and Steel

 

[konstantin123]

If you really hate him...wait till he gets accepted and is feeling the TOP of the world. and then you anonymously forward an email to the DEAN (remember to send a CC to him)...😀 😎

Even worse, is if he gets accepted to a private school. Write a email to the Dean (remember to send a CC to him again) IN his MS-IV year. This way he will not only be not allowed an MD BUT will lose 250 Grand.

Damm it I am so evil 😀 😉 😛

If you should ever rat on your friend, it will one day come back and hunt you
in my opinion this is very unethical. if he gets caught thats his business, almost certainly it wont happen, and if he gets an Md license, then it will be very hard to loose it if something does happen.("expenisve lawyers") however i have never heard of anyone getting caught if you know?please send me the link.
this will be interseting.

 

[Dr. Pepper]

Tell him that if he doesn't report his CC grades, Dr. Pepper is going to kick his ***.

The fact that my username is synonymous with a nationally-recognized soda will only intensify his fear.
-Dr. P.

 

[weathertalk]

If you go according to med school honor codes (specifically IU)... you should "rat" him out.

Ethical Question in an interview:

What would you do if you caught a friend cheating on a test in medical school?

Correct Answer:

Report the infraction to professor.

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Personal loyalty is important and noble, but doctors can't turn a blind eye to errant colleagues. It may seem harsh, but according to the standards set by medical schools, your friend is not qualified to practice medicine.