but what about OMM and holisticness and all the other things people allegedly choose DO over MD for?
Yes, eventually-- they are planning on building their own research hospital on campus. When that happens, it'll be awesome.
I'm not sure, but Nova's MD program is planning on utilizing the same curriculum as LECOM-B's. Not sure if you're familiar with it, but basically there are no lectures or classes at all. Students meet in groups of 7-8 with a "faculty preceptor" and decide what they feel is important for them to learn. They then go home, review those chapters that they assigned to themselves, and come back next time to discuss them and go through patient cases. This just personally isn't my preferred learning style. I think incorporating PBL sessions into a curriculum is awesome, but I don't wish to go to a school that relies on PBL 100%. Again, that is just my personal preference-- I know how I learn best, and for me that's not through PBL.
The tuition is the icing on the cake. You pay us, and you teach you. So much win!
No.
DO students want to be doctors.
Of course. So why switch to another program and start first yr all over again?
Everything written about this in this thread is pure speculation
True, I gotcha
Personally, I like DOs better than MDs and I like the DO model better than the MD model. Both of my physician letter writers are DOs, and they happen to be my two favorite physicians. If I could have had the same chances of matching into a competitive residency as a DO student, I would absolutely have applied 100% DO, but that's just not how things work.
Your career hinges on your boards, not your title.
This is false. Whether you want to admit it or not, PD bias against DOs still exists in many places. DO students have fewer options when it comes to research, which is also important for matching. There are far too many threads about this on SDN, so I won't go any further.
It is not false. Sure there may be some programs with bias, but that is not the majority, and if you perform well on your boards you're not going to be limited in what specialty you can go in to. There are research opportunities everywhere, it's your own personal problem if you're not motivated enough to act on them.
It's a little difficult to separate the exact reason DO students tend to score lower on their boards than MD students. Is it the way the schooling is done, or is it that the DO students are poorer test takers in the first place (lower average MCAT scores for most DO schools compared to MD programs)?
What's the DO model exactly
This is a very reductionistic way of looking at things. Maybe the majority of programs aren't biased, but with certainty, many are. This ratio only goes higher as you go into the prestige fields to the point where I would argue (just a sense, I have no data) that the majority of programs in some of these fields (eyes, bones, skin, plastics, and brains come to mind) are in fact biased against DOs. Realistically, most MDs are not going to be competing for these spots either so I don't think this is necessarily something one MUST consider, but it's what it is. Regarding your point re: research opportunities, suffice it to say there are research opportunities, and there are research opportunities.
I think it's pretty straightforward - DOs are on average poorer students at the time of applications.
I think of DOs as being more whole-person and being realists compared to MDs. The newer DOs I've worked with are immediately ready to jump into end of life and comfort care conversations with the families where appropriate, but the fresh off of residency MDs I've worked with tend to be more aggressive and argue for more lines, more surgery, more treatment when it is WAY past the point of being appropriate, and it seems to take them longer to figure out where the line between helping and hurting is. The newer MDs seem to think doing more things = doing the patients a favor, and it seems to take them longer to realize otherwise than their DO counterparts with similar experience levels.
That's a bunch of hogwash my friend; gotta step back from the koolaid a bit.
So then he is arguing AOA vs. ACGME...
Cal Northstate doesn't so it isn't unreasonable to ask. Thanks for the helpful post though
maybe i'm mistaken but aren't there certain data disclosures etc. that come with federal loans? pure conjecture but perhaps they don't want these things to be public.
