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Does anyone know the current number of residecies available to podiatry students? The reason why I ask is because over the last four years the number of podiatry students admitted into podiatry school has almost doubled from around 350 in 2003 to nearly 600 in 2007 according to the aacpm website. If this is the case then will there even be enough residency positions available to all podiatry students by the time they graduate? If not then it sounds to me like the podiatry profession is shooting themselves in the foot, and are not learning from their previous history. I believe this same thing happened back in the 90's from my research.
 
if this were to be a problem, there is an easy solution. study and work as hard as you can and you will be one of the people that get a residency. Dont assume everybody gets one and don't take things for granted. smart, hardworking students always win in the end. (almost always....)
 
This is one of the great failures of organized podiatry.
I'm a DPM and an MD.
There are allopathic positions that go unfilled each year.
Podiatry should not have a situation in which they admit almost everyone who applies, but don't have residency positions for them.
There needs to be a governing board (I'm sure there already is).
There needs to be a rule or mandate that Podiatry schools must be affiliated with a surplus of residency positions to accept a student. If scholl wants to accept 140 students, then they should be required to have 160 residency positions to accomodate this.
Podiatry school deans and presidents and staff should work on nothing else until this is accomplished.
I would not recommend going into podiatry until this is resolved.
Shame on the pod schools for failing the very people who pay their salaries.
 
tracheatoedoc said:
This is one of the great failures of organized podiatry.
I'm a DPM and an MD.
There are allopathic positions that go unfilled each year.
Podiatry should not have a situation in which they admit almost everyone who applies, but don't have residency positions for them.
There needs to be a governing board (I'm sure there already is).
There needs to be a rule or mandate that Podiatry schools must be affiliated with a surplus of residency positions to accept a student. If scholl wants to accept 140 students, then they should be required to have 160 residency positions to accomodate this.
Podiatry school deans and presidents and staff should work on nothing else until this is accomplished.
I would not recommend going into podiatry until this is resolved.
Shame on the pod schools for failing the very people who pay their salaries.
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There is a governing board (CPME) and they do control it to an extent. For instance, they govern the amount of students that can be taken at any given school (ie set an enrollment cap). However, AZPOD opened its doors in 2004 and Western is set to open this year in Cali making a total of 9 programs nationwide. The dean of Western has stated that he will create enough residency programs to suppliment his students.

But I completely agree. The system needs to be better controlled. Right now, the graduation rate and residency positions are running about one to one but this is extremely dangerous. When any program admits a student, it is the programs job to provide them with the education and training necessary to succeed in the profession.

But in their defense, a few challenges that the CPME faces is the constantly changing number of matriculants and the attrition rates of the schools. It's hard to know the exact number of students graduating as it changes yearly. MD's often don't have enough residency slots in any given specialty. The difference is that the students choose another one. We don't have that option in our world. I'm a proponent of bringing back a set number of one year RPR's (rotating podiatric residencies). That way, if there is a large number of graduates in a particular year, students that don't match in a surgical program can still spend a year getting paid, deferring loans, and getting training. They can then re-apply in the following year's match with a year's experience under their belt, making them more valuable.
 
Frankly, I do not understand why the podiatry schools are not committed to the success of their students. If they were, then they would mitigate the residency shortage via the most simple and easiest to implement solution: only admitting enough students to create an artificial shortage thus freeing residency slots and increasing income, and matriculant statistics among other things. The MDs did this decades ago. Why haven't DPMs caught onto how their colleagues make themselves valuable? This would circumvent the problem with haphazardly creating residencies on the fly to accommodate graduates. I suspect when the pod schools become sufficiently stable from a financial perspective, then you will see the schools committed to the residency issue.
 
iceman69 said:
Frankly, I do not understand why the podiatry schools are not committed to the success of their students. If they were, then they would mitigate the residency shortage via the most simple and easiest to implement solution: only admitting enough students to create an artificial shortage thus freeing residency slots and increasing income, and matriculant statistics among other things. The MDs did this decades ago. Why haven't DPMs caught onto how their colleagues make themselves valuable? This would circumvent the problem with haphazardly creating residencies on the fly to accommodate graduates. I suspect when the pod schools become sufficiently stable from a financial perspective, then you will see the schools committed to the residency issue.
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Money. Money. Money.
Podiatry schools make money by admitting students.
Reading these posts by pod students, it is obvious they all think they will get one of the few decent residencies in podiatry. Reality is most pod students will a crappy or no residency.
 
iceman69 said:
Frankly, I do not understand why the podiatry schools are not committed to the success of their students. If they were, then they would mitigate the residency shortage via the most simple and easiest to implement solution: only admitting enough students to create an artificial shortage thus freeing residency slots and increasing income, and matriculant statistics among other things. The MDs did this decades ago. Why haven't DPMs caught onto how their colleagues make themselves valuable? This would circumvent the problem with haphazardly creating residencies on the fly to accommodate graduates. I suspect when the pod schools become sufficiently stable from a financial perspective, then you will see the schools committed to the residency issue.
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With the schools themselves, all are private with the exception of Temple and even that is somewhat privatized (state residents pay about 3K less than non-residents, not much of a difference of in-state/out-of-state like at regular MD programs). Thus, the schools are there to bank in the long run of things. We even have 2 indepedent pod schools - NYCPM and OCPM, which are solely DPM granting institutions. Their main source of income is tuition dollars (makes sense with the big class sizes and lower admission standards, particularly at ohio). It would be extremely smart for the profession to have smaller class sizes (ie not 125 students) but on a financial standpoint of a stand-alone school, not so good.
 
jonwill said:
There is a governing board (CPME) and they do control it to an extent. For instance, they govern the amount of students that can be taken at any given school (ie set an enrollment cap). However, AZPOD opened its doors in 2004 and Western is set to open this year in Cali making a total of 9 programs nationwide. The dean of Western has stated that he will create enough residency programs to suppliment his students.

But I completely agree. The system needs to be better controlled. Right now, the graduation rate and residency positions are running about one to one but this is extremely dangerous. When any program admits a student, it is the programs job to provide them with the education and training necessary to succeed in the profession.

But in their defense, a few challenges that the CPME faces is the constantly changing number of matriculants and the attrition rates of the schools. It's hard to know the exact number of students graduating as it changes yearly. MD's often don't have enough residency slots in any given specialty. The difference is that the students choose another one. We don't have that option in our world. I'm a proponent of bringing back a set number of one year RPR's (rotating podiatric residencies). That way, if there is a large number of graduates in a particular year, students that don't match in a surgical program can still spend a year getting paid, deferring loans, and getting training. They can then re-apply in the following year's match with a year's experience under their belt, making them more valuable.
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Jonwill,
Interesting idea.
In your idea, If these students do an rpr, and then get a spot after doing an rpr, doesn't that just decrease the spots available for new graduates and perpetuate (and worsen) the cycle? Or in your eyes will the number of rpr takers be the same yearly?
Interested to hear if you have thought of this.
 
Dr. Gangrene said:
Jonwill,
Interesting idea.
In your idea, If these students do an rpr, and then get a spot after doing an rpr, doesn't that just decrease the spots available for new graduates and perpetuate (and worsen) the cycle? Or in your eyes will the number of rpr takers be the same yearly?
Interested to hear if you have thought of this.
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I guess my idea is that the graduating classes continually fluxuate so it would eventually even itself out. Some years, all RPR's would be filled while other years, many would go unfilled.
 
tracheatoedoc said:
Money. Money. Money.
Podiatry schools make money by admitting students.
Reading these posts by pod students, it is obvious they all think they will get one of the few decent residencies in podiatry. Reality is most pod students will a crappy or no residency.
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I can't completely disagree with you. Some of the schools are very "tuition driven". On the other hand, most students will get a residency and need one as required by law in all states. This will change if schools start accepting insane amounts of students. And speaking honestly, the majority of residency programs are good ones and seem to do a good job teaching podiatric surgery. Sure, there are "top tier" programs and then there are some horrible ones but I don't think it's fair to classify the majority of pod residencies as poor ones. That is simply not the case. Sure, not every program is going to have tons of trauma and peds but they have your basic forefoot/rearfoot surgery.

I'm not positive but it sounds like you came out in a time (possibly early 90's) when there were some real issues with this kind of thing. And we need to be careful or history will repeat itself.
 
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The facts I am about to tell you come directly from the APMA and CPME. This list was updated as of 1/5/09.

Number of Residencies

PM&S 36 - 379
PM&S 24 - 97
PSR 24 - 4
PSR 12 -2
PPMR - 0
POR - 0
RPR - 3
Total - 485

Source: http://www.apma.org/Members/Educatio...ted081508.aspx
(if that link does not work go to www.cpme.org click residencies, then click the link for approved residencies in podiatric medicine.)

 
JackedUp said:
The facts I am about to tell you come directly from the APMA and CPME. This list was updated as of 1/5/09.

Number of Residencies

PM&S 36 - 379
PM&S 24 - 97
PSR 24 - 4
PSR 12 -2
PPMR - 0
POR - 0
RPR - 3
Total - 485

Source: http://www.apma.org/Members/Educatio...ted081508.aspx
(if that link does not work go to www.cpme.org click residencies, then click the link for approved residencies in podiatric medicine.)
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Yep... those are good links. You always want to verify the accreditation status of the programs you might be applying to. Know how long they're accredited, if they're on probation or have been in the past, if there has been or will be a change of hospital ownership/management, etc. Programs change and hospital politics change, so visiting the programs and/or talking to residents is usually the best way to go.
 
So that's a total of 485 residency spots available for approximately how many pod graduates?
 
msa786 said:
So that's a total of 485 residency spots available for approximately how many pod graduates?
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For Azpod 2011 we have 22-24 students... One of my friend from Barry 2011 told me that they have around 50 students left.??. And a friend from NY podiatry school class of 2011 told me they have 82~???~ Anyone else from (temple, Ohio, California, DMU, Scholl) can put info how many students are left in their program???:xf:
 
sanggydaddy81 said:
For Azpod 2011 we have 22-24 students... One of my friend from Barry 2011 told me that they have around 50 students left.??. And a friend from NY podiatry school class of 2011 told me they have 82~???~ Anyone else from (temple, Ohio, California, DMU, Scholl) can put info how many students are left in their program???:xf:
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I know from a 3rd year friend (2010) at OCPM they lost about 30 students since the beginning of pod school...now at 82.
 
Azpod 2012, we lost one student and I believe we have 34 left
 
According to AACPM's website for the class of 2006 there were approximately 553 students admitted and for 2007 there were agian approximately 586 students admitted. I am sure that this number will probably go up for the class of students admitted for the year 2008.

Here is a copy of the link:
http://www.aacpm.org/html/statistics/stats_mar.asp
 
CPME updated the residency list on 1-30-09. As of right now it looks as though every single 1yr residency is history, by either withdrawing or conversion to a PM&S 24 or PM&S 36. There are now only 2yr and 3y residencies.

Number of Residencies (1-30-09)

PM&S 36 - 371
PM&S 24 - 99

Total 470

There are approximately 441 DPM's graduating this year, and there will be approximately 431 DPM's graduating next year. The residency shortage will be affecting the classes of 2010 and on. Again there are a number of residencies that are being converted from 1yr to 2yr formats, and from 2yr to 3yr formats which are not showing up on this list. Also new residencies programs are being made as well as adding additional positions to existing residencies. Rest assured, the APMA and CPME are working hard to increase the number of residencies and the numbers are likely to increase. To keep updated go to www.cpme.org.
 
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i just heard from my apmsa representative today that the estimated shortage of residency positions for the class of 2010 is at 85.

for example, to put this into perspective, that would be like the entire current class of 2010 of ocpm third years not getting a residency position.

some suggested solutions were making current programs open up more spots or opening up new residencies all together ..... but it was expressed that there is not way to make up a gap of 85 ...

the problem will only get worse for the classes of 2011, 2012, and 2013

so just pass along the importance of studying and working hard to make yourself stand out from the crowd .....

and there should be a push for lower class caps, because without a residency spot , you could only practice in 2 of 50 states with JUST your degree.
 
increased enrollments AND westerns program? looks rough for the class of 2013
 
mildoc2016 said:
i just heard from my apmsa representative today that the estimated shortage of residency positions for the class of 2010 is at 85.

for example, to put this into perspective, that would be like the entire current class of 2010 of ocpm third years not getting a residency position.

some suggested solutions were making current programs open up more spots or opening up new residencies all together ..... but it was expressed that there is not way to make up a gap of 85 ...

the problem will only get worse for the classes of 2011, 2012, and 2013

so just pass along the importance of studying and working hard to make yourself stand out from the crowd .....

and there should be a push for lower class caps, because without a residency spot , you could only practice in 2 of 50 states with JUST your degree.
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Thats unacceptable! How could an organization expect you to go into this profession when in the end, after you've worked your butt of in pod school, you could possibly end up not getting a residency position?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe whiskers had a point.
 
mildoc2016 said:
i just heard from my apmsa representative today that the estimated shortage of residency positions for the class of 2010 is at 85.

for example, to put this into perspective, that would be like the entire current class of 2010 of ocpm third years not getting a residency position.

some suggested solutions were making current programs open up more spots or opening up new residencies all together ..... but it was expressed that there is not way to make up a gap of 85 ...

the problem will only get worse for the classes of 2011, 2012, and 2013

so just pass along the importance of studying and working hard to make yourself stand out from the crowd .....

and there should be a push for lower class caps, because without a residency spot , you could only practice in 2 of 50 states with JUST your degree.
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wow 85 is a lot.
I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
mildoc2016 said:
i just heard from my apmsa representative today that the estimated shortage of residency positions for the class of 2010 is at 85.

for example, to put this into perspective, that would be like the entire current class of 2010 of ocpm third years not getting a residency position.

some suggested solutions were making current programs open up more spots or opening up new residencies all together ..... but it was expressed that there is not way to make up a gap of 85 ...

the problem will only get worse for the classes of 2011, 2012, and 2013

so just pass along the importance of studying and working hard to make yourself stand out from the crowd .....

and there should be a push for lower class caps, because without a residency spot , you could only practice in 2 of 50 states with JUST your degree.
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2 states out of 50??? which states? do you know the scopes for those states???
 
sanggydaddy81 said:
2 states out of 50??? which states? do you know the scopes for those states???
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i believe alaska is one of them, i have no ideas as to the scope up there, i assume you would still have to pass the respective state licensing board
 
work hard. study a lot. do well on boards/tests. problem solved.

it's like people and the economy today. some of the wealthy people---those with real wealth, not paper-----are just getting more wealthy. they are going around buying assets at 40 percent off. They made smart choices in the past, didn't over leverage themselves, and now are benefiting from others mistakes.
 
mildoc2016 said:
i just heard from my apmsa representative today that the estimated shortage of residency positions for the class of 2010 is at 85.

for example, to put this into perspective, that would be like the entire current class of 2010 of ocpm third years not getting a residency position.

some suggested solutions were making current programs open up more spots or opening up new residencies all together ..... but it was expressed that there is not way to make up a gap of 85 ...

the problem will only get worse for the classes of 2011, 2012, and 2013

so just pass along the importance of studying and working hard to make yourself stand out from the crowd .....

and there should be a push for lower class caps, because without a residency spot , you could only practice in 2 of 50 states with JUST your degree.
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I have seen the APMA post on these threads often, I'd like to hear from them on this thread to clarify.
 
Maybe certain schools should actually play a role in working out this residency shortage too. IE it is ******ed for OCPM to have a class size of 125students. They let in too many students to begin with so it cutting the class size would be beneficial for raising admission standards as well. Azpod, DMU, Western, CSPM, even Barry these days have it right (class size wise)
 
Creflo said:
I have seen the APMA post on these threads often, I'd like to hear from them on this thread to clarify.
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Many thanks to those of you who have brought this thread to our attention. As noted in prior threads, the American Podiatric Medical Association (APMA) is well aware of the potential lack of residency positions, and we have been working on this issue for a number of years. Here are some of the ways that we are working to increase the number of positions for podiatric residencies:
  • The Veterans Administration (VA) is working on increasing the number of positions each year over the next three years.
  • Council of Teaching Hospitals (COTH) has distributed 163 "Developing a Podiatric Residency Training Program" kits. Emails have been sent to all Central Application Service for Podiatric Residency (CASPR) program directors to encourage applications for increasing positions where resources are available. COTH is paying special attention to the 22 states without residency training. AACPM/COTH is attending regional professional meetings to push for residency development in those states.
  • COTH is providing information to American Board of Podiatric Surgery (ABPS) and American Board of Podiatric Orthopedics and Primary Podiatric Medicine (ABPOPPM) to assist in an email blast to their members.
  • APMA established a telephone help-line last fall to assist hospitals, and prospective program directors and faculty with residency development and expansion. APMA is advertising the help-line bi-weekly in the APMA eNews, podiatric journals, and a number of national journals. COTH and Council on Podiatric Medical Education (CPME) staff response to the calls includes providing information, answering questions, and enlisting the aid of experienced program directors. The line has received more than 50 calls, with several institutions now working for the first time to establish podiatric residencies.
  • CPME has placed sample materials on its Web site to serve as a guide for developing programs. More will be added.
  • CPME will have a booth at the APMA Meeting in Toronto in July with CPME and Joint Residency Review Committee representatives available throughout the event.
  • The Joint Residency Review Committee will conduct a brainstorming session at its March 2009 meeting to determine whether new methods are available to increase the number of positions at CPME-approved residencies and attract applications from first-time sponsor institutions.
As you can imagine, starting a residency program is not an easy task, but many DPMs have contacted COTH and APMA to get the ball rolling in their own hospitals and communities. Podiatric medicine is in the enviable position (in comparison to osteopathic and allopathic medicine) of not having any cap on our residency reimbursement. With all of the tools in place, and with the dedication of our concerned DPMs, there is relief in sight.

The advice from your colleagues on this forum is appropriate; work hard, dedicate yourself to your education, and keep up with current information from reliable sources. All of this will help you to achieve your goals.
 
APMAHelp said:
Many thanks to those of you who have brought this thread to our attention. As noted in prior threads, the American Podiatric Medical Association (APMA) is well aware of the potential lack of residency positions, and we have been working on this issue for a number of years. Here are some of the ways that we are working to increase the number of positions for podiatric residencies:
  • The Veterans Administration (VA) is working on increasing the number of positions each year over the next three years.
  • Council of Teaching Hospitals (COTH) has distributed 163 “Developing a Podiatric Residency Training Program” kits. Emails have been sent to all Central Application Service for Podiatric Residency (CASPR) program directors to encourage applications for increasing positions where resources are available. COTH is paying special attention to the 22 states without residency training. AACPM/COTH is attending regional professional meetings to push for residency development in those states.
  • COTH is providing information to American Board of Podiatric Surgery (ABPS) and American Board of Podiatric Orthopedics and Primary Podiatric Medicine (ABPOPPM) to assist in an email blast to their members.
  • APMA established a telephone help-line last fall to assist hospitals, and prospective program directors and faculty with residency development and expansion. APMA is advertising the help-line bi-weekly in the APMA eNews, podiatric journals, and a number of national journals. COTH and Council on Podiatric Medical Education (CPME) staff response to the calls includes providing information, answering questions, and enlisting the aid of experienced program directors. The line has received more than 50 calls, with several institutions now working for the first time to establish podiatric residencies.
  • CPME has placed sample materials on its Web site to serve as a guide for developing programs. More will be added.
  • CPME will have a booth at the APMA Meeting in Toronto in July with CPME and Joint Residency Review Committee representatives available throughout the event.
  • The Joint Residency Review Committee will conduct a brainstorming session at its March 2009 meeting to determine whether new methods are available to increase the number of positions at CPME-approved residencies and attract applications from first-time sponsor institutions.
As you can imagine, starting a residency program is not an easy task, but many DPMs have contacted COTH and APMA to get the ball rolling in their own hospitals and communities. Podiatric medicine is in the enviable position (in comparison to osteopathic and allopathic medicine) of not having any cap on our residency reimbursement. With all of the tools in place, and with the dedication of our concerned DPMs, there is relief in sight.

The advice from your colleagues on this forum is appropriate; work hard, dedicate yourself to your education, and keep up with current information from reliable sources. All of this will help you to achieve your goals.
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You can't simply add slots at good, existing programs and expect to continue to graduate well trained, competent podiatrists who perform foot and ankle surgery. That's not a good solution. It truly feels from the position of a current podiatry student that you are not telling us the truth. You haven't made it known the exact number of students who will likely not match because you guys didn't plan on more students=more residency slots needed. 1 year is not enough lead time in all likelihood to establish roughly 80 new, quality residency slots. It's bull****. Things need to change. Just talking to people and opening a hotline for people to is lip service to those who will be affected by this issue. The APMA needs to grow a pair, and regulate the amount of students admitted each to the number residency slots available so that there will be each year a class of competently trained graduates that have more or less the same skill level in the realm of foot and ankle surgery. I refuse to spend over 100K on education and seven years of my life to spend my career performing pallative foot care. The above needs to be completed before the APMA's dream of VISON 2015 will be realized, otherwise you might as well call it VISON 2115.
 
In the past podiatrists didn't do residencies. Like general dentists they got all their training in school clinics.
By the Eighties there existed a mishmash of very exclusive 2 and 3 year programs, a slew of 1 year programs, and a garble of preceptorships.
Many of the preceptorships were better than the residencies. It created a have and havenot heirarchy, with shifting requirements for Board eligibility seemingly designed to restrict the havenots from competing.
Apparently the last few years have seen a period where there is a residency for everyone. The only reason this occured is that interest in podiatry has been down. The schools would have gladly taken more students, a warm body is worth over $100,000.
Now the schools have a larger applicant pool, they can take more students, and residency training is something they may address later.
How can you have a system where all states require residency, but not every student will get one? This is completely irresponsible on the part of the school administrations. Don't post here that if you apply yourself you will be alright, because the fact is that 20% of future graduating classes will be left out.
Don't go to Pod school unless you know that there will absolutely be training for all.
 
Humm, so residency is kind of a problem in podiatry.
 
tracheatoedoc said:
In the past podiatrists didn't do residencies. Like general dentists they got all their training in school clinics.
By the Eighties there existed a mishmash of very exclusive 2 and 3 year programs, a slew of 1 year programs, and a garble of preceptorships.
Many of the preceptorships were better than the residencies. It created a have and havenot heirarchy, with shifting requirements for Board eligibility seemingly designed to restrict the havenots from competing.
Apparently the last few years have seen a period where there is a residency for everyone. The only reason this occured is that interest in podiatry has been down. The schools would have gladly taken more students, a warm body is worth over $100,000.
Now the schools have a larger applicant pool, they can take more students, and residency training is something they may address later.
How can you have a system where all states require residency, but not every student will get one? This is completely irresponsible on the part of the school administrations. Don't post here that if you apply yourself you will be alright, because the fact is that 20% of future graduating classes will be left out.
Don't go to Pod school unless you know that there will absolutely be training for all.
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In my opinion this sounds like a self inflicted wound? Do the schools not cap how many they take? I know it changes from year to year, and I don't claim to be in the know regarding podiatric politics, but this is a big concern for our profession in my opinion, especially for the students who undertake enormous amounts of debt.

I would encourage all who care about podiatry to keep this as a high priority.
 
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i believe that everyone who passes all the classes and the boards deserves residency~~ This is nonsense. there are still 22 states without residency???If each of those 22 states opens up 4 slots, there will be 88 more residencies.

so who is responsible for making new residencies??? I heard that APMA has nothing to do with opening residency for students... Does anyone know if theres any organization does this???

Vice president of APMA (Dr. Stones) told me that opening up a new residency is really simple procedure when I asked her about the residency shortage issue during the dinner meeting few months ago. Does anyone know how to do it??? any procedure or steps??? 😕
 
sanggydaddy81 said:
i believe that everyone who passes all the classes and the boards deserves residency~~ This is nonsense. there are still 22 states without residency???If each of those 22 states opens up 4 slots, there will be 88 more residencies.

so who is responsible for making new residencies??? I heard that APMA has nothing to do with opening residency for students... Does anyone know if theres any organization does this???

Vice president of APMA (Dr. Stones) told me that opening up a new residency is really simple procedure when I asked her about the residency shortage issue during the dinner meeting few months ago. Does anyone know how to do it??? any procedure or steps??? 😕
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Whoever said that opening a new residency up should be lambasted. Opening up a new residency has got to be a pain in the ass. You must have a lot of resources in place already to have Pod residency. The APMA is bunch of idiots. They've duped us all. More students than legally mandated postgrad slots is complete bull****. There is no transparency in the educational process of podiatrists, and there are largely no real standards. None. It is the only profession where 2 pro's can have almost completely different training and and competence. Podiatry has so many great things going for it, but as much as I want to try deny it Tracheatoe is right.
 
students left out of residency:
class action lawsuit against CPME and the like, for loss of future earnings etc... then they'll shape up.
 
Our school president stated that; the College of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery worked in collaboration with the Iowa Health System to develop a new three year podiatric residency program in Des Moines.
 
I agree with everyone that is saying this is unacceptable, because it is. But I have faith that all of this will get sorted out, and every deserving podiatry graduate will get a residency. If you look at the matriculation vs. graduation statistics not everyone that is admitted to podiatry school graduates.

The reason why podiatry schools are not capping the amount of incoming students, is because they over accept and let many people fail out.

According to AACPM:
For example the class of '09 started out with 552 students and 454 made it to the second year, and 431 made it to the 3rd year. And probably a few less will graduate in may. Also the class of 2010 started out with 647 students and 557 made it to their second year. This number is difficult to predict, and to have a number of residencies go unfulfilled every year is another problem.

If podiatry schools were to put a limit on students entering, than many residency spots will go unfilled. I know this is a messed up situation, and there is no easy solution. But i honestly believe the APMA and CPME are doing their best.
 
Toohotinvegas33 said:
Our school president stated that; the College of Podiatric Medicine and Surgery worked in collaboration with the Iowa Health System to develop a new three year podiatric residency program in Des Moines.
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Didn't des moines lose their broadlawns pod residency?
 
students left out of residency:
class action lawsuit against CPME and the like, for loss of future earnings etc... then they'll shape up.
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Brilliant idea tmoney. Tuition will rise, scholarship funds reallocated, residency programs shutting down...brilliant.

Lawyers are whats wrong with medicine :meanie:
 
I think every school should have affiliated residencies. They should not be able to accept more students than they can place. They should not rely on the large dropout/failure numbers in podiatry.
To accept more students than can be trained is educational malpractice.
You would never see that in the allopathic world.
There needs to be a surplus of residencies so the program directors are the ones scrambling for residents not the other way around.
 
yep, iowa health will be a 3 year residency......it has been announced. a ton of work went in to make this possible
 
JEWmongous said:
Didn't des moines lose their broadlawns pod residency?
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Yes but that is with the county Hospital, this is a new program is with IHS (methodist/blanks/lutheran hospitals)
 
As to the message above regardint the APMA capping the number of students that pod schools admit each year, I don't believe that they have any power to enact or enforce such a rule.

An administrator at my school also said that their goal for the class of 2013 was to fill every available seat.

In completing my first year of this profession it is sad to learn that these programs really don't make their cuts at the interview/application stage, but rather wait and take 25 grand before showing people the door. That is a shame and in many professions would be considered false advertising. Unfortunately, not only is that practice accepted in our field, but with these residency shortages the practice will no doubt be secretly (if not blatantly) encouraged by administrators of national organizations and residencies alike all in the name of averting the 90's redux.
 
Callous:
Are we not all scientists here? I've been harping on low admission standards for awhile but everyone else wants to remain very positive toward individuals who come on here asking about their 3.0 GPA and 18 MCAT. Well, you can't feel bad when those individuals don't make it past year 1. They are selected against during pod school, simple as that...nothing more than Darwinian logic. Survival of the fittest, or as I like to say...reproduction of the "good enough" (even though nobody is reproducing here, you get the idea). Some people don't have what it takes to get it done in MEDICAL SCHOOL (sorry allo guys, the curric. is essentially the same), its not the program's fault that these individuals couldn't hack it. Plus, I'm all for anything that keeps tuition from rising even if it means a couple hundred K from classmates who weren't up to par. Such is life.

Same goes for residency...do well in school and at internships and you'll get a 3 year surgical residency. Pretty simple.
 
i like the way you think dtrack.

life is not fair. make your circumstances, don't be a victim of them. because you get into pod school doesnt mean you are entitled to anything. work hard each day like it could all be taken away.
 
Regardless of GPA and social activities and how smart you think you are.. etc, etc, etc


if you are argumentative, lazy, apathetic, foul mouthed, complainer a people user and a fake who back stabs others, who is dishonest and has a wicked internet web page detailing your dysfunctional life

And


a history of failing pt1 of the boards and lack the basic knowledge during your externships,


I bet you will have a very difficult time getting a residency as you will be very transparent to most and I would bet that word about you will travel fast among those who have experienced your antics.

It seems pretty clear cut what will get you the residency of choice, But that is just my opinion and good luck to those whom I described.

You will need luck securing a residency and even a job after residency since you have very little in the way of genuine talent and pod school probably will have been the highlight of your entire life.
 
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Does anyone, including tracheatoedoc, know if DO/MD programs have residency shortages? I would imagine that they may struggle with residency openings/closings just as we do? What do they do to help remedy this?
 
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