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What is the average number of students per cadaver in a gross anatomy lab?

What is the highest number of students per cadaver that you've ever heard of? Lowest? And for which schools?

(couldn't help but to ponder this question while digging into my Thanksgiving turkey. .. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!)

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around 6 for a good number of schools bro.
 
yeah, but some places with say 6 peeps wil have a rotation, so that only 2 people are actually dissecting at any one time....then they show their cadaver-buddies what they've found and change over the shift.

also, some schools are big on early clinical exposure...so you can make your own cadaver and work on it yourself...until you learn a bit of medicine...
 
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ranged from 4-6 at the schools i visited
 
Originally posted by SUPERSTARZ
What is the average number of students per cadaver in a gross anatomy lab?

What is the highest number of students per cadaver that you've ever heard of? Lowest? And for which schools?

(couldn't help but to ponder this question while digging into my Thanksgiving turkey. .. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!)

It was 4 at Hopkins.
 
Thought about this myself and wondered if it would be better to have fewer or more partners for gross anatomy.

For those of you who are taking or who have completed gross, what would you say the advantages and disadvantages are of having a group with more than four students.
 
Originally posted by Super Rob
Thought about this myself and wondered if it would be better to have fewer or more partners for gross anatomy.

For those of you who are taking or who have completed gross, what would you say the advantages and disadvantages are of having a group with more than four students.

My school has four people per cadaver.

It is better to have more people because this increases your chances of having somebody in your group who is a good dissector.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, gross lab is an inefficient way to learn anatomy. You can spend huge amounts of time "pickin' through the chicken" looking for an obscure nerve and in the end all you have done is used up a substantial chunk of your life for the sake of one nerve.

I don't know what the alternative is, however. Some schools use "pro-sected cadavers which probably helps.

I minimized my lab time and used my Rohen's photographic "Color Atlas of Anatomy" as my key study aid. Our instructors gave us lists of the structures that we should know, basically those items elucidated in Grant's Dissector. After finding them on several of the color plates in Rohen's I could almost always identify them on a cadaver during the practical exam.

I did OK in anatomy. Never failed an exam even if I didn't exactly cover myself in glory. I don't know if spending more hours in lab would have translated into a higher grade.

My goal in first and second year was to pass them as stress-free as possible.
 
I agree with Panda Bear. Anatomy lab is inefficient study time.

I think it is better to have more people per body, as long as there aren't too many required to be there at the same time.

We had 8 per body (4 per side) with only 2 people dissecting on a side at any given time. The pair who dissected then helped review the 2 who were "off" that week. I learned the lab info well, but didn't have to spend all of my time in there every week.
 
Pitt is generally six/cadaver but some groups had a few less people. Some people seem to learn great in lab while others find it a complete waste of time. I think that it's hard to know going in how it will work out for you. I found it to be pretty much a waste of time especially if you have an obese cadaver. I would say that number/cadaver doesn't matter as much as your own personal learning style.
 
some people at my school have 5, some have 4. I'm glad we have 5 because your desire to dissect fades away as the semester progresses for most people. it also gives us the opportunity to walk around and listen to our prosection speeches (tanks who come in and dissect the lab and learn all about it before we show up, you're responsible for doing this every 7 labs, so for every 6 tanks dissecting, one is giving presentations and has people walking around helping on top of our professors and 2nd years) I think 6 might get a little crowded, but thats just me.
 
We have 6 per cadaver here, and it does get a little crowded sometimes. But there's rarely more than 4 people actually there at any given point. Usually we'll have 2 people dissecting, 1 or 2 watching/reading the atlas or dissector, and 1 or 2 wandering from lab to lab checking out other tables. We don't have prosections or tables designated to teach for a given lab. We just wander around asking people to show us what they've found so far. It's really just socializing, though.

In our group, whoever's dissecting usually gets tired of it after an hour or so, passes off to the next person, and then wanders around. One day our entire group wandered off. Those of us who'd left first came back at the end of lab and found our cadaver all alone. Usually somebody sticks around to play show and tell, but I guess that day we all wanted to see other cadavers.
 
we have 6/cadaver. typically, though, 3 dissect for each lab, with one person from the 1st group of 3 presenting to the 2nd group of 3 prior to their dissection. this works out well, in my opinion.

and as much as i complain sometimes about anatomy lab being a waste of study time (and i DO complain!), when it comes down to it, the labs and features i know the best are the ones where i dissected - where i had to dig around, find points of reference and trace nerves or origins, etc. and the ones i know VERY best are the ones i had to present for the dissection i did. i.e. i have to find all those wee structures on the list, show them to the rest of the group and relate them to other anatomical landmarks. i may complain (because it IS a lot of time, and often, i really don't want to be there) but the labs that i actually participate in are the ones i know the best.

we have an obese cadaver, as well (and that slows you down a bit), but learned within the first two labs how to efficiently clean so that we can find the structures quickly. we've got a couple very good dissectors in our group, too, along with a person or two who are killer with random memorization of landmark relationships, which helps a lot. and once you get internal, the excess fat is less of an issue.
 
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We have 6 per body, but 2 at a time. So you only have to dissect every third day. Then you present what you did the next morning.
 
wait a second, can i ask a question about this cadaver thing? i'm not in med school yet, and i was confused about this (and please pardon my ignorance, i never dissected anything more than a frog) but do you use the same cadavar all semester? or do you get a new one every week or something?
 
musiclink213,
Each group uses the same cadaver throughout the class--however long it may last.

We had 6-7 people per cadaver, but there was never more than 4 people at a time dissecting. It worked out fine.
 
Originally posted by musiclink213
wait a second, can i ask a question about this cadaver thing? i'm not in med school yet, and i was confused about this (and please pardon my ignorance, i never dissected anything more than a frog) but do you use the same cadavar all semester? or do you get a new one every week or something?

Dead people to dissect aren't exactly easy to come by. ( i mean ya people die everyday but the majority dont indicate that they want to donate their body to science so there arent all that many out there)

We are using our cadaver from November til March(the length of the anatomy course here). Just make sure you keep bathing it in solution and it will be fine.

As an aside...my cadaver has COMPLETE situs inversus(1/8000 people is one figure i have found). We were the stars of anatomy lab when we realized things were switched and the professor even announced on the mic that everyone should visit our tank to check it out. After out 30 seconds of fame we realized we were screwed. Learning all the internal organs backwards is not cool.
 
Originally posted by UCLAMAN
Dead people to dissect aren't exactly easy to come by. ( i mean ya people die everyday but the majority dont indicate that they want to donate their body to science so there arent all that many out there)

We are using our cadaver from November til March(the length of the anatomy course here). Just make sure you keep bathing it in solution and it will be fine.

As an aside...my cadaver has COMPLETE situs inversus(1/8000 people is one figure i have found). We were the stars of anatomy lab when we realized things were switched and the professor even announced on the mic that everyone should visit our tank to check it out. After out 30 seconds of fame we realized we were screwed. Learning all the internal organs backwards is not cool.

being a superstar/popstar does take a lot of work.... 😉
but wow thats pretty cool man.
 
Originally posted by indiamacbean
I found it to be pretty much a waste of time especially if you have an obese cadaver.

You are so right. You can spend hours and hours more time dissecting than your classmates. It would benefit to have as many people possible dissecting with you.
 
4/table at my school, which is really nice because 2 of us really like to dissect and we can switch off if we get tired or frustrated, one is really good at reading out the directions and flipping through atlases to find what things should look like, and our 4th person is a space cadet who we pretty much ignore. not to be mean, but he uses lab time as social hour and hangs out with his buddies.

our cadaver has been the "unique demonstration" cadaver all semester because her arterial system is rather unique (but hey, it worked for her). it makes lab a bigger challenge than i really wanted.
 
We had 4 to a cadaver at my school (texas). One of our group dropped out after the first six weeks of school so there were three in our group.

I am going to disagree that dissection is a waste of time. (although there were times I thought this during medical school). However, I ended up as an anatomy TA fourth year and in a completely different field that I thought I would be (I was going pedi rheumatology all through med school). Now I am grateful for what I do remember from tutoring and sometimes wishing I had gunned a little more in anatomy.

Dissection initially takes time but as you do it more, you get better and quicker at it. And for many of us, it is easier to learn by seeing something...

Cadavers are hard to find but I would think 6 would be a max. All of our cadavers were donated by the deceased.
 
Penn state claims 4-8 people per cadaver, averaging 6. They claim they are lowering enrollment this year to eliminate 8 per cadaver.
 
At OHSU, four cadavers surround each student. Every night, you will awake from sleep screaming. The clock says 2 AM. You hold your head and cry for awhile. Not much longer now.
 
BU has 12/ cadaver.

- i just dont get that.
 
Originally posted by Froze006
BU has 12/ cadaver.

- i just dont get that.

damn thats an orchestra right there...
 
NYMC has 8 per cadaver but claims that they work in "shifts" of 4 unless they are working on something "important" in which case all 8 are present.

Wow..12/cadaver for BU? Is that even legal?
 
NYU has 2 per cadaver at any point in time.
 
wow...2's an unheard of luxury
 
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