Nurse to MD

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Hello,
I am completing my bachelor's degree in nursing spring next year and plan to apply to medical school next year as well. Since I went the ADN route, I am currently working as a nurse. I have completed all pre-med prerequisites with the exclusion of two courses with a cumulative GPA of a 3.8. I'm pretty good with EC's/volunteering but I do know that I need to build up more shadowing experience. I am currently studying for the MCAT (using princeton review books for now) as well so by God's grace all goes as planned. Any other advice or tips in regards to getting more prepared?
As a side note, I was an early high school graduate and just turned 20 so is age a factor in getting accepted?

Thank you, any advice is appreciated 🙂
 
Age isn't a large factor. Some older applicants might feel discrimination but as long as younger applicants can demonstrate maturity they are usually fine. Adcoms sometimes look down on nurse to mds because they feel that you stole an education from someone who would have actually been a nurse and nurses, as you know, are in demand. That being said, make sure you have a solid reason for the switch and can demonstrate this. You will need an excellent MCAT and stellar ECs to give them a reason to invite you for interview were you can lay this out. Your GPA is great and so just keep up the good work and you should have a shot.
 
Hi there!

First and foremost, do not let anyone tell you that RN to MD is not possible. I know this, because I am currently an RN and have been accepted to an MD program for 2014. You may encounter RNs who did not get into medical school- but there are plenty of other people, for one reason or another, who do not get accepted. It's not necessarily the RN.

That being said...RN or not, you must follow all the advice to be a stellar medical school applicant. There's lots of valuable advice around these parts regarding what makes a successful medical school candidate, including things like volunteer work, research, leadership, shadowing, and of course, solid GPA and MCAT.

Your experience as a nurse will be both an obstacle to overcome as well as a boost to your application. You will most definitely need to explain why the switch from nursing to medicine. I addressed this partly in my AMCAS personal statement, in all of my secondaries, and you can bet your favorite pair of socks I was asked about it during my interviews! This is a potential reason why nurses sometimes aren't successful in making the transition to MD- they don't communicate effectively to the interviewers solid reasoning for the switch.
However, I've heard from many people that admissions committees often like to pose questions to prospective applicants such as "how do you know you wouldn't be happy being, say, an RN or NP?" You have firsthand experience as to why this wouldn't be a good career choice for you, instead of speculation. You also have the unique experience of seeing all the parts of the healthcare team work together, and have a greater understanding of the differing roles of all of the team members (RNs, PAs, social workers, MDs, maybe even PhDs, etc) and can honestly demonstrate a true understanding of what it means to be a doctor vs a nurse vs a nursing assistant vs a PA...
As a nurse, you do often get very close to patients and deal with things MDs don't deal with as often (purely because they are very, very distinct professions!). You have already encountered sick, disabled, and possibly dying patients, and the emotional impact of that is not necessarily different for nurses or doctors, even if their professional roles are. This is a huge strength to your application.

Your GPA is very impressive! (higher than mine!). A big reason why RNs aren't always successful in transitioning to MD is that nursing school courses are not necessarily easier than traditional science classes BUT emphasize a different type of knowledge and a different perspective. Chemistry for nursing school vs chemistry for an undergraduate science degree will be different. Not because one group is smarter or better than the other, but what you are taught about chemistry in each class is shaped with the ultimate career in mind- training as a nurse vs training as a scientist. So it's important that you use traditional undergraduate courses to fulfill your premed requirements and take the MCAT after having taken such courses, which you've done.
You'll need to do pretty well on the MCAT- 30+ is widely the metric used for determining MD competitiveness. Some DO programs may consider you with a score less than 30- but not much less. DO and MD programs both produce DOCTORS, so while DO schools may be more forgiving of non-traditional backgrounds, they are not to be viewed as "easier" schools to get into than MD schools.

As far as shadowing goes- I actually did not have any formal shadowing listed in my application. However, in both nursing school clinicals and at my job, I have spent many hours with both doctors and nurses, and have seen what the life of a resident is like, attending, nurse manager, etc. I'm not going to discourage you from shadowing if you have time but if you do work closely with physicians in your job, that is shadowing "built in" to your work and is certainly sufficient to give you an understanding of what life is like for a medical professional.

PM if you want any tips on the "why leave nursing for medicine?" or anything else.
While nursing ended up not being the path for me, I don't regret becoming a nurse at all. I did not go to nursing school thinking I would eventually go to medical school- and I made sure to stress that to adcoms as well. Rather, nursing is an awesome profession but not a good fit for me. That being said, I think it gave me tremendous insight into the field of healthcare, strengthened my conviction to pursue medicine, and allowed me to really see some of the worse aspects of healthcare- and has made me all the better for it.

Good luck!!!:luck:
 
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Age isn't a large factor. Some older applicants might feel discrimination but as long as younger applicants can demonstrate maturity they are usually fine. Adcoms sometimes look down on nurse to mds because they feel that you stole an education from someone who would have actually been a nurse and nurses, as you know, are in demand. That being said, make sure you have a solid reason for the switch and can demonstrate this. You will need an excellent MCAT and stellar ECs to give them a reason to invite you for interview were you can lay this out. Your GPA is great and so just keep up the good work and you should have a shot.
Definitely agree on this one.
It really sucks.
 
I don't really agree with people saying that adcoms will look down on you stealing a nurses education because of the fact that you are 20 years old. I decided I wanted to be a doctor when I was about that age as well, it's ridiculous for you to have known what you wanted to do when you were applying for school at 16/17. Your youth is your saving grace in my opinion, but just remember to talk positively about BOTH nurses and doctors, but then explain why your skill set/interests make you more suited to be a physician than nurse. I'm sure you wouldn't do this anyway being an experienced nurse, but dismissing your current work as not challenging or not meaningful will only hurt you.
 
Lots of interviewers are probably going to ask why you pursued a nursing education and are now applying to medical schools, because you had pursued training in a specific profession and are now looking to be educated for a different profession. Be ready with a good explanation and you should be fine.
 
RN to MD is definitely possible, but it is an uphill battle. Communication about why you switched will be key.

An retired adcom that I talked to said that RN apps just went into the trash. Let's hope things have changed since then. :laugh:
 
One thing I hear over and over again is career-changers should offer an acceptable reason for leaving behind their previous work.
 
Hello,
I am completing my bachelor's degree in nursing spring next year and plan to apply to medical school next year as well. Since I went the ADN route, I am currently working as a nurse. I have completed all pre-med prerequisites with the exclusion of two courses with a cumulative GPA of a 3.8. I'm pretty good with EC's/volunteering but I do know that I need to build up more shadowing experience. I am currently studying for the MCAT (using princeton review books for now) as well so by God's grace all goes as planned. Any other advice or tips in regards to getting more prepared?
As a side note, I was an early high school graduate and just turned 20 so is age a factor in getting accepted?

Thank you, any advice is appreciated 🙂

Its definitely doable and not that hard to explain (just have how/why you want to go down the path of medicine instead of nursing down for interviews). Ignore this BS about "stealing a nurse's education", we're a long ways away from having a shortage of nurses or nursing programs in this country... There are a few folks in our program that have BSNs and a PharmD in the class above that never practiced (he applied to med school as he was graduating).
 
Of course, you should prepare to answer ("Why medicine vs nursing?") either in applications or interviews.

But honestly, your MCAT score alone has the ability to quell any anyone who objects using the standard anti-RN argument ("you already have a professional career in healthcare working with patients; why remove yourself from the work force for 4 years?").

Fair or not, the MCAT carries a ton of persuasion power if your score is high enough. If you obliterate the MCAT (33+), I suspect many adcoms will feel you were probably just too young to know exactly what you wanted to do when you graduated high school, and that you are a physician trapped in a nurse's body.... so to speak.

Of course, even without a 40 or a 34 on the MCAT, you can still get accepted if you are careful about how you portray the switch in your application and interviews. After all, short of being an FMG, who has a better idea of what physicians do on a daily basis when they apply to medical school & residency if not a nurse? You have a ton going for you as an RN. But again, they have to see from your application that the extra 4+ years of medical education will make you even MORE of an asset to the healthcare field than you already are as an RN. And I think a super MCAT score can say that quickly and definitively.

I have some past academic issues that have made my 2014 application an "uphill battle", but I have found that with an MCAT score in the top 1%, my academic issues from 8-10 years ago haven't even really come up. Of course we'll see if that translates to an acceptance or not...
 
Hello,
I am completing my bachelor's degree in nursing spring next year and plan to apply to medical school next year as well. Since I went the ADN route, I am currently working as a nurse. I have completed all pre-med prerequisites with the exclusion of two courses with a cumulative GPA of a 3.8. I'm pretty good with EC's/volunteering but I do know that I need to build up more shadowing experience. I am currently studying for the MCAT (using princeton review books for now) as well so by God's grace all goes as planned. Any other advice or tips in regards to getting more prepared?
As a side note, I was an early high school graduate and just turned 20 so is age a factor in getting accepted?

Thank you, any advice is appreciated 🙂

It's entirely possible to do. You just have to have reasons for being an MD instead of a nurse. That is going to come from experience in the form of working as a nurse, shadowing a physician, etc.

I have a few nurses in my MD program, but they all have at least 5 years of experience as a nurse and then decided to go back to get their prereqs completed for medical school. I also have one PA in my class, but he had 8 years of being a PA before going to get an MD.