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apart from the prestige associated with being a physician, what has made you all decide against nursing and to pursue becoming an MD?
I dont like to clean up stuff....if ya catch my drift..
despite what nurses may tell, the amount of science in nursing is almost non-existant when compared to medicine.apart from the prestige associated with being a physician, what has made you all decide against nursing and to pursue becoming an MD?
I want to know the science that is behind the medicine. Even the best trained nurses fail to understand the basic science behind most of our medical treatments and diseases.
MD's training in the basic science is the big difference between a nurse and a physician.
Booyaah.
Ask a cancer nurse to tell you why we are using HSP-90 inhibitors, HDAC inhibitors, MEK inhibitors, PI3-kinase inhibitors, etc... You'll get the response, "to kill the cancer".
Nurses have little knowledge of the mechanisms behind our treatments and have little-to-no molecular training.
Albeit, you cannot really blame them since their science courses consist mostly of the same undergraduate courses we take in college - *This is from seeing the courses/lectures offered at Indiana School of Nursing - no flame* with absolutely no emphasis on biochemistry or anything related to molecular biology. They aren't expected to know it unless they further pursue becoming an NP. That and most schools are approx 2-3 years, with little emphasis on science in the latter portions and more emphasis on clinical/healthcare science.I want to know the science that is behind the medicine. Even the best trained nurses fail to understand the basic science behind most of our medical treatments and diseases.
MD's training in the basic science is the big difference between a nurse and a physician.
Booyaah.
Ask a cancer nurse to tell you why we are using HSP-90 inhibitors, HDAC inhibitors, MEK inhibitors, PI3-kinase inhibitors, etc... You'll get the response, "to kill the cancer".
Nurses have little knowledge of the mechanisms behind our treatments and have little-to-no molecular training.
and if you were asked this question and explained a desire to take charge and your ability to be a good leader, would you likely be viewed as arrogant?
Kaustikos said:and despite what nurses may tell, the amount of science in nursing is almost non-existant when compared to medicine.
fahimaz7 said:Ask a cancer nurse to tell you why we are using HSP-90 inhibitors, HDAC inhibitors, MEK inhibitors, PI3-kinase inhibitors, etc... You'll get the response, "to kill the cancer".
Nurses have little knowledge of the mechanisms behind our treatments and have little-to-no molecular training.
I've been told by a resident that kids who successfully finish all their pre-reqs as premeds have more science knowledge than a nurse. I wouldn't know either way but if this is true, can I please have prescriptive power too???
I never said they weren't helpful I said what, to me, distinguishes a career in nursing from a career in medicine - the science. Feel free to correct me on that one. Majority of my friends and my fiancee is a nurse, so I know what I say is true and isn't disrespectful by any stretch of the imagination. I've learned how helpful nurses are and I know I'll rely on them numerous times, but I also know the education they receive and what their career entails - something I wouldn't venture into at all.If that was your reason, most likely they would point out that CEO's, school priniples (principals?), government officials...all are 'leaders' so why not go get an MBA, law degree. Don't know if they'd jump to arrogance.
One day a nurse will save you from killing someone and you will realize how important/knowledgeable they are.
What made you decide to become a doctor as opposed to a nurse?
apart from the prestige associated with being a physician, what has made you all decide against nursing and to pursue becoming an MD?
No they weren't. Actually, your comments seem to be worse than mine. You think of nurses as lowly slaves who take commands from doctors without hesitation. You think doctors are no different? From the stories I've told, residency is pretty much just that.What bothered me about the previous comments is that they are insulting the nursing profession. As a physician, nurses will be your future colleagues. How can you think so lowly of them, especially since you haven't even met the nurses you'll be working with? Just because you have an MD doesn't not make you better than the rest of the world. I just wish future doctor's of America would realize this.
Being a nurse never crossed my mind. I initially wanted to be a mathmatician....go figure.
I don't like taking orders from others. I think I'm right. As a nurse, I would be doing the opposite, taking orders. I also support universal health care and think medical service is not obtainable by all. Figure being a doc, I can help most (naive, I know).
What bothered me about the previous comments is that they are insulting the nursing profession. As a physician, nurses will be your future colleagues. How can you think so lowly of them, especially since you haven't even met the nurses you'll be working with? Just because you have an MD doesn't not make you better than the rest of the world. I just wish future doctor's of America would realize this.
One day a nurse will save you from killing someone and you will realize how important/knowledgeable they are.
the tone of voice used by many poster regarding to nursing really bothers me. I've come to respect them very, very much. True, science are important, but I bet you they can spot mistakes you could make just by their clinical experience.
I went into medicine for the science as well, but there is no need to use that tone regarding to nurses.
One day a nurse will save you from killing someone and you will realize how important/knowledgeable they are.
lol thats the exact attitude that needs to change or simmer down a bit. Maybe i'm judgin you or something, but its attitude like this that feel that nurses dont know jack squat and need to be the one taking others.
You should swallow your own pill.
I want to know the science that is behind the medicine. Even the best trained nurses fail to understand the basic science behind most of our medical treatments and diseases.
MD's training in the basic science is the big difference between a nurse and a physician.
Booyaah.
Ask a cancer nurse to tell you why we are using HSP-90 inhibitors, HDAC inhibitors, MEK inhibitors, PI3-kinase inhibitors, etc... You'll get the response, "to kill the cancer".
Nurses have little knowledge of the mechanisms behind our treatments and have little-to-no molecular training.
Case in point- Anti-estrogen therapy in ER+ breast cancer. How do these cells survive in the absence of an antigen?
Answer: These ER+ breast cancer cells activate their receptor by having point mutations on their receptor that allow them to be constitutively active when they are on the cell membrane. For this reason, HDAC inhibitors (now in clinical trials) are being used with anti-estrogen therapy for resistant breast cancers. The HDAC's have been shown to silence genes that are involved in ER receptor production.
Good stuff.
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Whew. You're really impressing people. Whoever said that a nurse is gonna save your a** some day is right.
it shouldn't be that way, though.In quite a few fields of medicine, the nurse tells the doctor what to do and he signs his name at the bottom. ... Hell, most of them know the patients better than the physicians (due to time constraints) and because of this, make a lot of recommendations for their future care.
it shouldn't be that way, though.
I don't post on studentdoctor to impress people that...
A. I will never know
B. I will never meet
C. Will never get me to where I want to go.
D. All of the above.
I work in health care (unlike most of the people on the pre-med forum) and I used a real life example to illustrate the difference between RN/NP training and that of a MD/DO. Will a nurse save me? Sure, and I have nothing but respect for them. But, failing to acknowledge the difference and limits of the two is frightening to say the least.
In quite a few fields of medicine, the nurse tells the doctor what to do and he signs his name at the bottom.
Being a nurse never crossed my mind. I initially wanted to be a mathmatician....go figure.
I don't like taking orders from others. I think I'm right. As a nurse, I would be doing the opposite, taking orders. I also support universal health care and think medical service is not obtainable by all. Figure being a doc, I can help most (naive, I know).
What bothered me about the previous comments is that they are insulting the nursing profession. As a physician, nurses will be your future colleagues. How can you think so lowly of them, especially since you haven't even met the nurses you'll be working with? Just because you have an MD doesn't not make you better than the rest of the world. I just wish future doctor's of America would realize this.
are you sure about that? i thought it varied.what if you wanted to become a CRNA? They can work without the supervision of a doctor.
I cannot believe the hostility in this thread.
Wait, yes I can. But presumptuous attitudes defending nurses? When it isn't warranted? Awesome, sign me up!
Your profile and this picture bring hope to these threads. You are the white knight of gotham
Thank you for your support.Your profile and this picture bring hope to these threads. You are the white knight of gotham
I believe in Jurassicpark
I shadowed a doctor who attended his patients' family's graduation ceremonies, funerals, and kept personal letters and cards from all his super-appreciative patients. (He even showed them to me). You CAN be a doctor with lots of patient interaction. You just have to "choose" to become that kind of doctor, and choose the right specialty.my only concern is that as a physician i will not get the amount of patient interaction i desire...
I personally chose MD over nursing because I wanted the education, not only of chem (because nurses have to take ochem too) but the vast knowledge of med school!
I've been told by a resident that kids who successfully finish all their pre-reqs as premeds have more science knowledge than a nurse. I wouldn't know either way but I was asked why I didn't want to be an NP or a PA and my response was, "Too big of an ego."