NY locations

[pillu]

Hello:

I am considering the following programs for Cardiology fellowship in the NY area. I have limited amount of money to spend on applications. I am a foreigner and 've never been to NY. Please tell me if these programs are in decent/Okay areas for a female to live with a small baby. Thanks a lot for your help.

1. Albany Medical Center Program, Albany, NY
2. Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY
3. Maimonides Medical Center Program, Brooklyn, NY
4. New York Methodist Hospital, Brooklyn, NY
5. SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program, Brooklyn, NY
6. SUNY at Buffalo Graduate Medical-Dental Education Consortium Program, Buffalo, NY
7. New York Hospital Medical Center Queens/Cornell University Medical College Program, Flushing, NY
8. North Shore University Hospital/NYU School of Medicine Program, Manhasset, NY
9. Winthrop-University Hospital Program, Mineola, NY
10. Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical Center Program, New Hyde Park, NY
11. Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel (Long Island College Hospital) Program, New York, NY
12. Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program, New York, NY
13. Lenox Hill Hospital Program, New York, NY
14. Mount Sinai School of Medicine (Urban Community) Program, New York, NY
15. New York Medical College at St Vincent's Hospital and Medical Center of New York Program, New York, NY
16. St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center Program, New York, NY
17. SUNY Upstate Medical University Program, Syracuse, NY

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[gutonc]

I rotated at about half of those places as a 3rd/4th year so I can offer some insight...others will no doubt have better or more in-depth info but here we go (I've only commented on places I've rotated at):

2. Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY
- OK neighborhood but good cheap housing attached to the hospital. You'll have to commute (by shuttle) to the other campus depending on the fellowship you're in.

3. Maimonides Medical Center Program, Brooklyn, NY

Average community program in a very safe neighborhood. If you're Orthodox Jewish, Mexican or Russian you will fit in very well in the area. if not, you will feel comfortable and safe but perhaps not exactly welcomed. That said, as people continue to flee Manhattan and the more expensive neighborhoods in Brooklyn, Borough Park is becoming more "revived," which of course means higher rents and cleaner streets and more people who look just like you.

4. New York Methodist Hospital, Brooklyn, NY

Very bad hospital (most people who live in the $3-6 million dollar brownstones 2 blocks away go to Manhattan for their hospital needs). Really fantastic neighborhood (which is about the only thing I miss about NYC) with very expensive housing.

5. SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program, Brooklyn, NY

This is where I trained. The hospitals (Univ. and Kings County) are located in the ghettto and I barely felt safe there as a man, even after 9 years and knowing the neighborhood pretty well. Housing is cheap though. You'll probably also spend time at the Brooklyn VA (unless you're doing a Peds or OB fellowship) which is in Bay Ridge and, although geographically nowhere near the other hospitals, is a much nicer neighborhood. The upside is that you're a short distance from Park Slope and Windsor Terrace (which is where I lived for 9 years) and which are much nicer and safer (and more expensive) neighborhoods.

8. North Shore University Hospital/NYU School of Medicine Program, Manhasset, NY

Nice suburban area. They have housing for residents but I don't know if it's available for fellows. Pretty good programs (at least in IM and OB, I don't know about peds or surgery).

11. Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel (Long Island College Hospital) Program, New York, NY

If this all takes place at LICH, see #4 (Methodist) above but add $500-1000/month to your rent if you want to live in this very nice neighborhood. Depending on the specialty (you don't mention if it's Med/Peds/Surg), the program will be average to horrible.

13. Lenox Hill Hospital Program, New York, NY

Again, as above w/ still higher rent and slightly better programs (slightly above average to pretty bad but not horrible). Surgical > Medical (no Peds here last time I checked).

One thing to keep in mind is that unless you've been living in Boston, DC, Chicago, SF or LA, every neighborhood in NYC will appear to be dirty, dangerous and expensive so don't be too schocked when you get there.

 

[pillu]

Brooklyneric - Thanks a lot for that detailed reply. I am applying for Cardiology fellowship.

 

[RadGirl]

Long Island Jewish is a mile from North Shore and part of the same hospital system. Very nice, relatively inexpensive housing. Good salaries at both hospitals relative to others in NY.

Albany is 2 hours north of NYC, but is a very manageable, family-friendly city with a wide variety of neighborhoods. Don't know about the neighborhood of the medical center.

 

[raspberry swirl]

Hello:
I am considering the following programs for Cardiology fellowship in the NY area. I have limited amount of money to spend on applications. I am a foreigner and 've never been to NY. Please tell me if these programs are in decent/Okay areas for a female to live with a small baby. Thanks a lot for your help.

just curious why you want to go to ny if you've never been there ... especially new york city. the city is a love or hate city. i love it, so im not questioning its greatness, just that its not for everyone, and being a busy single mom in new york city will present you with some unique (and expensive) challenges.

that said, i have not rotated at any of these hospitals, but i did a lot of research on them as i am applying for psychiatry residency in new york city. i applied to and interviewed at a couple of the places on your list. i also went to college in nyc, so i can comment generally on the area, etc. generally speaking, i agree with broolyneric's post.

i would just like to add that (and this is my opinion based on research i have done), i have heard good things IN GENERAL about the following hospitals in the new york city area (not specific to the cardiology fellowship, just the training and the hospital IN GENERAL), and know the following to be "good" places to train -


albert einstein (monte) - good all around. neighborhood really isnt bad, i went to college in that area (fordham). it just takes getting used to depending on where you are from.

maimo - people i know say they work you to the bone here, but its a strong program. i interviewed there for internship and psych and hated it.

winthrop- (i have a classmate from queens, this is his 1st choice for medicine residency, he thinks the medicine dep is excellent, its all he talks about)

LIJ- excellent all around. i loved it, but not the location (im not ready for the suburbs. but there was a resident with a little boy who paid $800 for a two-bedroom in the resident housing. not a bad deal)

beth israel- solid place to train, nothing to shout about. great location in manhattan. overall i liked it, but wasn't blown away.

st lukes- similar to beth israel, but columbia affiliated, so some extra opportunities here.

mt sinai- the name speaks for itself. you'd definitely get a top notch education here.

st vincents- one of my favorite places in the city, based on its location and laid back vibe. a solid place to train, but nothing spectacular about the education.


im not saying the other places on your list are bad, these are just the ones i know about... as brooklyneric said "...every neighborhood in NYC will appear to be dirty, dangerous and expensive so don't be too schocked when you get there." i completely agree. feel free to pm with specific questions about hospitals or locations, i could ramble for hours about some of these places. i tried to keep it somewhat concise ...

 

[Llenroc]

Buffallo, Syracuse, and Albany are towns in upstate New York. They are all extremely cold, but are more livable than the NYC area (especially on a resident's salary). New Hyde Park and Mineola are suburban towns on Long Island, east of New York City, nicer than most parts of NYC but with expensive real estate.