NY Programs

[EastTo]

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What do people think of the different NY programs (NYU, Columbia, Cornell, SUNY, Rochester, Mt Sinai, ect)? Read the old yuku board and kind of a mess on opinions.

I recently got an away offers for Mt Sinai and NYU but they conflict so can't do both (&probably shouldn't despite wanting to move back in that area). Anyone have any experiences with these programs?

 

[DocLan]

I think all the NY programs have a lot of rotators and you might not get invited back for interview.

Strongest are NYU, Columbia, and Cornell, but there are better programs around the country unless you love NYC.

 

[drdan766]

I think NY programs are ranked as follows:

top: NYU and Columbia
very good: Mount Sinai and Cornell
good: SUNY downstate and Albert Einstein and St lukes roosevelt

they are all very good if you think about it. You will be well trained and be able to go into any subspecialty out of any of these programs. I think it is more important to decide how big a program you want to join. Cornell and St. Lukes are tiny while NYU and SUNY are huge. Einstein and Sinai are in the middle.

 

[username456789]

I think NY programs are ranked as follows:

top: NYU and Columbia
very good: Mount Sinai and Cornell
good: SUNY downstate and Albert Einstein and St lukes roosevelt

they are all very good if you think about it. You will be well trained and be able to go into any subspecialty out of any of these programs. I think it is more important to decide how big a program you want to join. Cornell and St. Lukes are tiny while NYU and SUNY are huge. Einstein and Sinai are in the middle.

Cornell has 4 residents per year. I don't consider that tiny, but maybe by NYC standards.

 

[drdan766]

sorry. I made a mistake

 

[username456789]

sorry. I made a mistake

No prob. I just figured derm departments tend to average ~3 positions per class nationally, so 4 didn't seem "tiny" to me. I do know that NYU and Downstate have a ton though.

 

[sensitive skin]

Downstate and NYU are some of the biggest programs in the nation, Downstate with 22 and NYU with 25 (the other 2 are Miami and Mayo-R). Downstate is known for its amazing clinical training. NYU is NYU - top notch research and clinical training. NY also has many derm society meetings and overall has the most # of residency spots in any given location in the US.

 

[Dral]

Cornell has 4 residents per year. I don't consider that tiny, but maybe by NYC standards.

SLR is on a 4, 4, 2 rotation. Also not tiny.

 

[dermhopeful86]

SUNY Downstate has the current AAD president on staff as the director of their ACGME procedural derm fellowship. The president-elect is also on staff there after moving from Geisinger. Lots of big names.

 

[Schmee]

can anyone tell me more specifically about Mount Sinai's program? in terms of quality of training, happiness of residents, faculty? if so i would be super appreciative. thanks!

 

[vicinihil]

The top program in ny is definitely NYU reputation wise. Columbia is good too. Cornell surprisingly I've heard pretty negative things about especially from fellow interviewees I've met else where that have rotated and refused to even apply because their experience was so negative. I didn't think too much of it when I interviewed but there are definitely more impressive programs.

We had a grand rounds with dr lebowhal once from mt sinai and I believe he starts at 630am if that tells you anything...suny downstate apparently starts really early too. For a derm program, that is too damn early.

 

[drdan766]

Dr lebwohl is the only one who starts at 6:30 and you finish around 3pm. Others have 9-5 hours at sinai. However, there is morning study groups so if you get sinai i think your day starts around 7am on certain days anyway, but not seeing patients. I think Sinai has a very good reputation but it is NOT a cush residency. However, neither is nyu or columbia. Lebwohl is a superstar, and there is very good teaching at sinai.

 

[EastTo]

The top program in ny is definitely NYU reputation wise. Columbia is good too. Cornell surprisingly I've heard pretty negative things about especially from fellow interviewees I've met else where that have rotated and refused to even apply because their experience was so negative. I didn't think too much of it when I interviewed but there are definitely more impressive programs.

We had a grand rounds with dr lebowhal once from mt sinai and I believe he starts at 630am if that tells you anything...suny downstate apparently starts really early too. For a derm program, that is too damn early.

Thanks for the insight

 

[nope80]

Starting at 6:30AM? Are you kidding me? That's a little unnecessary........don't most programs start around 8 or 9? I've never heard of those hours for derm.

 

[PMPLPPR]

SUNY Downstate has the current AAD president on staff as the director of their ACGME procedural derm fellowship. The president-elect is also on staff there after moving from Geisinger. Lots of big names.

"Big names" won't contribute to your training as a dermatologist unless they are also recognized as good teachers. From my experience, people place a little too much weight on this when applying and don't realize that some of these "big names" are just big personalities who dedicate their lives to their particular interest but not necessarily to the education of the residents in the department.

 

[username456789]

"Big names" won't contribute to your training as a dermatologist unless they are also recognized as good teachers. From my experience, people place a little too much weight on this when applying and don't realize that some of these "big names" are just big personalities who dedicate their lives to their particular interest but not necessarily to the education of the residents in the department.

I interviewed at several places that had very "big names" on staff, and more often than not these bigwigs maybe worked with residents once a week at the very most. Some much much less often.

 

[DocLan]

Wow, Cornell leaves that strong of an opinion. What could be possibly so negative about it?

At least they start later, but I hear you do not spend that much time at the main clinic.

 

[EastTo]

"Big names" won't contribute to your training as a dermatologist unless they are also recognized as good teachers. From my experience, people place a little too much weight on this when applying and don't realize that some of these "big names" are just big personalities who dedicate their lives to their particular interest but not necessarily to the education of the residents in the department.

What do people think of NYU as a program then, is it deserved of its top tier place in derm? Do you gain much by training there? I ended up doing Sinai for my away and was not a huge fan compared to other places I have seen interviewing.

The stories of Columbia being an intense place seems to be true though. Cornell was the nicest location but was a little small faculty wise.