NYU vs UNLV ?!

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Which school is better in the long run?

  • NYU

    Votes: 25 31.3%
  • UNLV

    Votes: 43 53.8%
  • They are both equal!

    Votes: 12 15.0%

  • Total voters
    80

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Hello everyone,

As a reapplicant, I'm grateful to have 2 acceptances while waiting to hear from other schools I interviewed at. In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out which school would be better in the long run: NYU or UNLV. I'm having a difficult time deciding since I like them both. NYU cost of living scares me as well as the lifestyle, but I feel that NYU is a more solid and well rounded school, and may also help me specialize. As for UNLV, UNLV will put me in less debt because I would be able to buy a house and the cost of living is lower, but the school is not as well established yet as NYU since UNLV is much newer.

I took some notes during my interviews, but all my notes and folders from the schools were accidentally thrown out during moving.


I read the old thread from last year on this topic, but need some fresh opinions as some features of the schools may have changed. Any information/feedback is appreciated and I'll be very grateful! Thanks!
 
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I might be biased, but I'd go with UNLV lol. What makes you think it's not well-rounded or as solid as NYU? UNLV is definitely getting up there with the more competitive schools, and also has a good amount of students going on to specialize. Brand spankin' new facilities, and some pretty renowned professors. Also smaller class size which is awesome. I could go on and on. 😛 I wish you all the best in your decision!
 
Thanks for your helpful input teethfordays!!! 🙂
I suppose what I meant is that UNLV is not as well established as NYU since UNLV is pretty new and NYU has been around for a long time and has all specialties. Also, I 'read' that UNLV had financial problems in the past and may jack up tuition costs. Any thoughts on this?
 
I've also read about that whole tuition situation. But honestly how much can it increase? A couple thousand a year? Which if you think about it is nothing in the big scheme of things, at least I think so. 😛 Plus, once you'd get in-state status (which almost everyone does by 2nd year--basically 50% off tuition lol), the cost is nowhere near that of NYU's.
 
tuition wise, they're comparable for a year. if i'm not mistaken you can be in state after a year in nevada...so that might be something consider. AND, living costs are much MUCH cheaper in nevada.

clinically both schools are solid. unlv had crazy residency placement last year. nyu receives the most patients in its clinic per year. research is top notch at nyu, and they have a lot of money at their disposal in general.

i feel that you can't go wrong with either school. consider other personal factors, i.e. where you'll be the happiest, how far you are from home, etc. if money isn't a prob. i'd say nyu. if you'd like to save as much as possible, UNLV.
 
For UNLV, i can't remember the overall percentage of students who got into post grad program but vast majority(i think only one student didn't get into a residency program) of those who showed interest in post grad program during their first yr got into their desired programs after graduation.

Unless you go to an ivy school, chances of getting into post grad residency really depends on your experience and commitment., not the name value of your school.
 
To each his own, as they say!

I've had 6 pre-December interviews, 1 post-Dec interview that I will probably cancel, and I am so happy that I have an acceptance at UNLV! I don't really have a top choice school among the ones I went for an interview since I figured that I should try to get accepted first and then see my choices before deciding, but I knew that UNLV was one of my top picks!

Why?

My perspectives on the school really changed during interview day. Maybe it's a sign of where I'm meant to be?...


Before the interview, I literally didn't expect anything going into the interview. I scheduled it as my first interview because I actually wanted to get my feet wet and get some interviewing practice before my other ones.

I also am not the biggest Vegas person. Having visited it before, I thought it was sometimes too flashy in my opinion. In knowing this, I was like.. "hmmm, Nevada... I don't know about this" before the interview. lol

BUT!

On interview day, I was blown away by the school and just very impressed with it! And to think that this was a school that I was thinking of using as interviewing practice! :laugh:

On interview day, 7 things/reasons why I was impressed with UNLV...


1) FIRST IMPRESSIONS = an HONEST, UP-FRONT school

On interview day, I felt the admissions people who gave the curriculum, financial aid, etc presentations were very honest with me, and I liked that.

I've been to 6 interviews this cycle, and I felt UNLV did the best in laying out everything. They laid out their applicant and acceptance statistics, demographics, and explained their curriculum thoroughly- with books, explaining a typical class schedule, community/international opportunities, the vertical integration system while you're in clinic. I like the team aspect of that and that you get a mentor and then become someone's mentor!

They also told you their formula for acceptance. No secrets.

I just liked that they were up-front about it, just saying "this is how we are and this is how our school operates."

2) FRIENDLY FACULTY, OPEN DOOR POLICY, SMALL STUDENT-TO-FACULTY RATIO

Following the presentation, I got a tour. My tour guide was a faculty professor. I saw her interact with others as she took us around the campus, and it definitely felt like she had good interactions with other people and the open door policy felt like it was there. I'm drawn to this because I went to such a research-based school where professors were harder to get to know.

During one of my interviews, a professor there said that one of the reasons why she likes UNLV is because she feels the faculty really care about their students and the students really care about their faculty. Some people graduate from the school and then decide to become part of the faculty as well.

I wrote from my interview something about 8:1 --> 6:1. I want to assume that it's a student-to-faculty ratio (perhaps in clinic?)


3) GOOD CLINICAL EXPERIENCE & NICE FACILITIES

Clinically, I think I will get good clinical experiences here. During the tour, we saw the sim clinic and clinic. Facilities looked nice!

During my tour, I was impressed to see that the first years had JUST started school and are already doing impressions and trimming cast study models. I interviewed in the 3rd week of September, and I think it was like their 3rd or 4th week of school. I'm impressed because I work as a dental assistant now, and I think one of the harder things for me is impressions. Suctioning, procedure tray set-ups, and taking x-rays aren't so bad.

Seeing this during the tour made me assume that they must have decent early clinical exposure.

In November, I went to a very well-established school (UDM) that was known for good clinical experience. Oddly, I found out from a friend who went there that they had only done impressions once (but in my head, I was like... didn't they start in August? It's been almost 3 months since school started.) So I used that as a little comparison, especially considering that people rave on and on about this school's clinical experience (which I don't doubt at all). This is not to bash UDM but just for a comparison. I really liked UDM as well and was impressed with the school!

I wrote something down from my interview that says "1st year- assisting/hygiene." I want to assume that I meant that you're assisting during your first year. For me, I really want to know the ins and outs of dentistry- from a dental assistant, dental hygienist, and a dentist perspective. I like that you start out dental assisting. Some schools don't have that aspect.

ALSO, when I had my student interview with a D2, the D2 had told me that she saw patients that morning. In my head, I'm like what... she's a D2. Most schools see patients in D3 and D4 years. I didn't ask her what actually she did with the patient, but one can assume that maybe they start seeing patients early? (I'm unsure of what they do during D2 clinically, but this was the perspective that I got).

During lunch, I also talked with some dental students. Some of them were going to apply for specialty residency soon. One wanted to do pediatric in particular. While he said he was interested in going to other pediatric residencies outside of UNLV, he was like "yeah, definitely come here for dental school, but don't come here for the residency." (maybe the residency isn't very established yet or tuition of residency, I'm not sure?) So, I got the impression that he liked his school.


4) REQUIREMENTS - COMMUNICATIVE SPANISH & RESEARCH (I think?)

I love, love, love the Spanish language. Took it for 4 years in high school with AP Spanish, and even years after, I still remember a decent amount of vocabulary. I love that the school makes you take Spanish. I really want to become more fluent at Spanish and this is a good opportunity for me, especially if you work with more Hispanic populations.

Research- I've done about 2 years of research at two labs. I think I remember hearing something about how you have to do research some time during dental school. Anyone can correct me if I've mistaken. While research isn't necessarily for me for a long-term career, I think I wouldn't mind doing research. It'll make me think more critically. It's also good if you want to specialize. I would be just happy being a general dentist, and I don't have a solid intention of specializing, but I want to keep my options open.

5) GOOD LEARNING ENVIRONMENT

I'm not really interested in going to a competitive school. I want to go to a school where students are willing to help each other.

The learning environment is more optimal for me. I like the class size- not too big, not too small. I went to a large UC Californian school in undergrad, and after going to lecture halls of 300-400 people, I feel I learn best when the size is smaller and more interactive. I wouldn't like being in a large class size because 1) professors may not really care or get to really know you (happened in undergrad) and that also affects learning too and 2) I might just fall through the cracks and feel like I'm a small fish in a big, big ocean!

I remember their rooms were spacious! I forgot what lecture rooms looked like exactly, but I remember liking the lecture rooms!

My D2 interviewer even has time to run her own restaurant, so... maybe you'll also have some extra time to do other stuff too.

6) LAS VEGAS IS NOT A BAD CITY!

Nevada... in comparison to Arizona (which I've visited for 2 interviews), was a much better city in my opinion! I'm from California so you can see why I'm talking about adjacent states like Arizona and Nevada. If I don't get into a Californian school, then proximity might be a factor for me. While I still am not a big fan of the flashy things that come with Vegas, Las Vegas is a much more established city to live in than Arizona. I didn't like that Arizona had so many chain restaurants and not as many independent restaurants (less culture maybe?) because it wasn't as established. They also don't really recycle in Arizona (I tried to recycle a water bottle at a hotel, but it was nonexistent) and I like to be environmental-friendly whenever I can.

I was like, "Despite the flashiness, the city kind of reminds me of my hometown!" PLUS for me!

7) LOVE WARMER CLIMATES

I also love sunshine, so I prefer hot climate over cold weather most days. I can also tolerate hot temperatures well but I'm the first person to get goosebumps and literally shiver when I'm out with friends. 🙂


I haven't visited NYU so I know nothing about it. I've just heard some stuff: one of the most expensive tuitions. I met an interviewee who talked about her friend at NYU and how they've already had like 18 exams since school started (it was September at the time) and how her friend is always stressed out... They have so many students, I feel a con would be... you might fall through the cracks! Another question to consider is what happens if you fail a course? I don't know the logistics of that with UNLV, but I feel a 200+ class size makes it easier to fail SOME people out of dental school. New York would be an interesting place to live in though 🙂
 
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Wow, thank you for your really helpful response, journeybegins! You have a lot of great points! Now that you mention it, does anyone know the policies for failing or failing a class? Getting kicked out... repeating a year... etc...?
 
To each his own, as they say!

I've had 6 pre-December interviews, 1 post-Dec interview that I will probably cancel, and I am so happy that I have an acceptance at UNLV! I don't really have a top choice school among the ones I went for an interview since I figured that I should try to get accepted first and then see my choices before deciding, but I knew that UNLV was one of my top picks!

Why?

My perspectives on the school really changed during interview day. Maybe it's a sign of where I'm meant to be?...


Before the interview, I literally didn't expect anything going into the interview. I scheduled it as my first interview because I actually wanted to get my feet wet and get some interviewing practice before my other ones.

I also am not the biggest Vegas person. Having visited it before, I thought it was sometimes too flashy in my opinion. In knowing this, I was like.. "hmmm, Nevada... I don't know about this" before the interview. lol

BUT!

On interview day, I was blown away by the school and just very impressed with it! And to think that this was a school that I was thinking of using as interviewing practice! :laugh:

On interview day, 7 things/reasons why I was impressed with UNLV...


1) FIRST IMPRESSIONS = an HONEST, UP-FRONT school

On interview day, I felt the admissions people who gave the curriculum, financial aid, etc presentations were very honest with me, and I liked that.

I've been to 6 interviews this cycle, and I felt UNLV did the best in laying out everything. They laid out their applicant and acceptance statistics, demographics, and explained their curriculum thoroughly- with books, explaining a typical class schedule, community/international opportunities, the vertical integration system while you're in clinic. I like the team aspect of that and that you get a mentor and then become someone's mentor!

They also told you their formula for acceptance. No secrets.

I just liked that they were up-front about it, just saying "this is how we are and this is how our school operates."

2) FRIENDLY FACULTY, OPEN DOOR POLICY, SMALL STUDENT-TO-FACULTY RATIO

Following the presentation, I got a tour. My tour guide was a faculty professor. I saw her interact with others as she took us around the campus, and it definitely felt like she had good interactions with other people and the open door policy felt like it was there. I'm drawn to this because I went to such a research-based school where professors were harder to get to know.

During one of my interviews, a professor there said that one of the reasons why she likes UNLV is because she feels the faculty really care about their students and the students really care about their faculty. Some people graduate from the school and then decide to become part of the faculty as well.

I wrote from my interview something about 8:1 --> 6:1. I want to assume that it's a student-to-faculty ratio (perhaps in clinic?)


3) GOOD CLINICAL EXPERIENCE & NICE FACILITIES

Clinically, I think I will get good clinical experiences here. During the tour, we saw the sim clinic and clinic. Facilities looked nice!

During my tour, I was impressed to see that the first years had JUST started school and are already doing impressions and trimming cast study models. I interviewed in the 3rd week of September, and I think it was like their 3rd or 4th week of school. I'm impressed because I work as a dental assistant now, and I think one of the harder things for me is impressions. Suctioning, procedure tray set-ups, and taking x-rays aren't so bad.

Seeing this during the tour made me assume that they must have decent early clinical exposure.

In November, I went to a very well-established school (UDM) that was known for good clinical experience. Oddly, I found out from a friend who went there that they had only done impressions once (but in my head, I was like... didn't they start in July? It's been like 3 months since school started.) So I used that as a little comparison, especially considering that people rave on and on about this school's clinical experience (which I don't doubt at all). This is not to bash UDM but just for a comparison. I really liked UDM as well and was impressed with the school!

I wrote something down from my interview that says "1st year- assisting/hygiene." I want to assume that I meant that you're assisting during your first year. For me, I really want to know the ins and outs of dentistry- from a dental assistant, dental hygienist, and a dentist perspective. I like that you start out dental assisting. Some schools don't have that aspect.

ALSO, when I had my student interview with a D2, the D2 had told me that she saw patients that morning. In my head, I'm like what... she's a D2. Most schools see patients in D3 and D4 years. I didn't ask her what actually she did with the patient, but one can assume that maybe they start seeing patients early? (I'm unsure of what they do during D2 clinically, but this was the perspective that I got).

During lunch, I also talked with some dental students. Some of them were going to apply for specialty residency soon. One wanted to do pediatric in particular. While he said he was interested in going to other pediatric residencies outside of UNLV, he was like "yeah, definitely come here for dental school, but don't come here for the residency." (maybe the residency isn't very established yet or tuition of residency, I'm not sure?) So, I got the impression that he liked his school.


4) REQUIREMENTS - COMMUNICATIVE SPANISH & RESEARCH (I think?)

I love, love, love the Spanish language. Took it for 4 years in high school with AP Spanish, and even years after, I still remember a decent amount of vocabulary. I love that the school makes you take Spanish. I really want to become more fluent at Spanish and this is a good opportunity for me, especially if you work with more Hispanic populations.

Research- I've done about 2 years of research at two labs. I think I remember hearing something about how you have to do research some time during dental school. Anyone can correct me if I've mistaken. While research isn't necessarily for me for a long-term career, I think I wouldn't mind doing research. It'll make me think more critically. It's also good if you want to specialize. I would be just happy being a general dentist, and I don't have a solid intention of specializing, but I want to keep my options open.

5) GOOD LEARNING ENVIRONMENT

I'm not really interested in going to a competitive school. I want to go to a school where students are willing to help each other.

The learning environment is more optimal for me. I like the class size- not too big, not too small. I went to a large UC Californian school in undergrad, and after going to lecture halls of 300-400 people, I feel I learn best when the size is smaller and more interactive. I wouldn't like being in a large class size because 1) professors may not really care or get to really know you (happened in undergrad) and that also affects learning too and 2) I might just fall through the cracks and feel like I'm a small fish in a big, big ocean!

I remember their rooms were spacious! I forgot what lecture rooms looked like exactly, but I remember liking the lecture rooms!

My D2 interviewer even has time to run her own restaurant, so... maybe you'll also have some extra time to do other stuff too.

6) LAS VEGAS IS NOT A BAD CITY!

Nevada... in comparison to Arizona (which I've visited for 2 interviews), was a much better city in my opinion! I'm from California so you can see why I'm talking about adjacent states like Arizona and Nevada. If I don't get into a Californian school, then proximity might be a factor for me. While I still am not a big fan of the flashy things that come with Vegas, Las Vegas is a much more established city to live in than Arizona. I didn't like that Arizona had so many chain restaurants and not as many independent restaurants (less culture maybe?) because it wasn't as established. They also don't really recycle in Arizona (I tried to recycle a water bottle at a hotel, but it was nonexistent) and I like to be environmental-friendly whenever I can.

I was like, "Despite the flashiness, the city kind of reminds me of my hometown!" PLUS for me!

7) LOVE WARMER CLIMATES

I also love sunshine, so I prefer hot climate over cold weather most days. I can also tolerate hot temperatures well but I'm the first person to get goosebumps and literally shiver when I'm out with friends. 🙂


I haven't visited NYU so I know nothing about it. I've just heard some stuff: one of the most expensive tuitions. I met an interviewee who talked about her friend at NYU and how they've already had like 18 exams since school started (it was September at the time) and how her friend is always stressed out... They have so many students, I feel a con would be... you might fall through the cracks! Another question to consider is what happens if you fail a course? I don't know the logistics of that with UNLV, but I feel a 200+ class size makes it easier to fail SOME people out of dental school. New York would be an interesting place to live in though 🙂

Completely agree with this response. UNLV is my top choice as well, and I very much intend on going there. In my opinion, the pros outweigh the cons. But for the sake of playing devil's advocate and giving you some things to think about here are some cons:

You are put in a vertical team with a faculty member, DS1, DS2, DS3, DS4 and you move up the totem pole with each year. There are also 4 bigger teams (not 100% sure what those teams do/how much time you spend in those teams and whatnot) But I do know that on my interview day, just about all the students shuddered at the mention of one particular team (not sure which one). I brought it up to my student interviewer and he said yes, some teams are better than others. And one particular team has a lot of very stressed students (even in comparison to the other students in the school). And it is completely luck of the draw which team you get.

Yes, as first year dental students, you do get to go to the sim lab and start getting your hands wet. But from what I understood from my student interviewer and the student giving us the tour (one of the people who usually gives the tour was out of town so we had a DS4 giving us a tour), you do spend the majority of your first year in a classroom. I think they said that the first semester the first year, you have one class in the sim lab and all your other classes are in a classroom. It is very much about the academics/books the first year. That being said, yes you do get time in the lab and yes you do get experience. But from what I understood and the impression I got, it wasn't like you are there a ton during the first year.

Yes, I also got the impression that there was a lot of student-faculty interaction and very much an open door policy. That being said, one of the questions I asked my student interviewer was "What is the one thing you wish you knew about the school before choosing it?" And his response was the presence of the dean. He said that yes, hes' spoken to the dean and yes they've had interactions. But if he saw him/her (not sure which dean he was referring to) in the hallway, he was 100% sure that the dean would not know his name. And as someone who wanted to specialize, he was somewhat worried about the dean recommendation letter (he was still a D2, so he still had some time to get his name out there) because he's hadn't seen the dean around much and didn't think his name was known. He was also a little disappointed in how little a voice the students had. Yes, UNLV is an established school. But his biggest issue with the school was that (his words) the school seemed to not really budge when it came to changing things. He really wished the dean would come in, ask people what was working, what wasn't working, and see if any changes could be made to fix the things that weren't working. I don't know that at an established school such as NYU would be any different (I have a feeling that kind of interaction might be more prominent in the newer schools who haven't even graduated a class yet).

And from various conversations, it seemed like the DS2s are mostly assistants in the clinic. So while yes, they do see patients (I'm assuming with the older students in their vertical team?) they're not exactly sticking their hands in people's mouths just yet. But my student interviewer (and the other students) really seemed to like the vertical teams. I heard a few comments about how it was nice seeing the reaction to other people messing up so you knew exactly what NOT to do.

Again, definitely planning on going to UNLV and am super stoked about it. But for someone who is still on the fence and is still thinking about a decision, just thought I'd throw a few not-so-great comments about the school.
 
Wow, thank you for your really helpful response, journeybegins! You have a lot of great points! Now that you mention it, does anyone know the policies for failing or failing a class? Getting kicked out... repeating a year... etc...?

From my understanding, it seems like every school is different.

Some schools really let you remediate a course if you failed it by taking some test. Some schools really try to keep you, and some schools might not as much. I had a friend say about his school that "you really have to not want to be there in order to get kicked out." However, at another school, I've heard there were 13 people who got kicked out... Then, I know a school who had a D1 repeat a year again (she didn't get kicked out so maybe that says something).

It's all really different for each school, it seems. You can ask the school.


I have no idea about UNLV or NYU.
 
Thanks a bunch everyone!!! Looks like I'm going to UNLV! 😀 Pros outweigh the cons.
 
Additional pros:
1) The administrative people seem to care and see me as an individual, rather than a number!

On Tuesday (the day after December 3rd), I called the office again because I wanted to double check another time that I got accepted for sure because I was going to cancel a December interview coming up.

When the phone conversation started, I had said my first name briefly, and after I explained the situation, the lady was like.. " _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (spelled out the letters of my name), right? You are definitely in!" I didn't have to spell it out for her, repeat my name again, or inquire any additional information, and somehow she knew it was me!

The phone call made me smile! I know this is a silly example, but to better understand, I have an ethnic name that has never been pronounced correctly by anyone the first time around unless you spoke that ethnic language. For example, interviewers who called me in for interviews have never been able to pronounce my name.

Sadly, although I loved my undergrad, I probably wouldn't be able to say the same for my undergrad because I was probably just seen as a number, and my name wouldn't have been remembered at all.

2) Houses are cheap over there 🙂 You can probably buy a house instead of renting!


Cons:
1) Tuition for first year for OOS residents is expensive! At least, you get lower tuition after getting Nevada residency years after.

2) They don't have a library on campus. I read that the students either study in the lecture halls or they study somewhere else. There is a library at the UNLV main campus close by however. I also think that the UNLV School of Medicine is across the street from the dental campus, so I wonder if they have a library!

This doesn't bother me too much since I can study anywhere with a table, but this may be a concern for the people who can only study at libraries.



Also, to rebelfan13, 👍 I commend you for being the devil's advocate. Those are great points that you brought up, and I appreciate seeing it from another perspective 🙂 The more information, the better to make an informed decision!
 
Best thread ever... I was in a dilemma between ucla and unlv.. But I think I'm leaning much more toward unlv now.

Does anyone know if the classes are curved

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…. about the remediation:

If you fail 3 classes you are done. Our class (2013) started as 80 and is down to 73.
 
…. about the remediation:

If you fail 3 classes you are done. Our class (2013) started as 80 and is down to 73.

Can I ask you two things?

1) So, what are the steps when you fail a class? How do you feel about UNLV's failing out system in comparison to other schools?

- What are the chances that you get? If you fail a class, do you have to take the class all over again while your class continues on? Or do you take any test to remediate failing and if you pass, you can still continue with your class?


2) Since you will be graduating soon, did you like UNLV and do you feel prepared to be a dentist soon?


Thanks for the info!!
 
research isn't very big at UNLV at all. there are really only a handful of professors that are involved with research. when i was talking to an adcom, he said there's a push for more research but at the moment the research program is in its infancy.
 
I would chose UNLV, mostly because I would live just about anywhere to avoid living in New York. That and you'll save a bunch of money and not have to be in a class of 300.
 
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