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I just got an invite in the mail for an interview at OCPM!! Does anyone out there have some helpful advice or information about OCPM? I noticed on SDN that their facilities are a little outdated but other than that I haven't heard much. Any info would be gratefully appreciated.

 

[Podman]

I just got an invite in the mail for an interview at OCPM!! Does anyone out there have some helpful advice or information about OCPM? I noticed on SDN that their facilities are a little outdated but other than that I haven't heard much. Any info would be gratefully appreciated.

Hi there, I'm a third year student. The facilities at OCPM will be upgraded because the school is relocating to the suburbs with brand new facilities in the summer of 2007.

If you are visiting OCPM, I recommend you visiting another school as well just so you can have some form or basis of comparison. In terms of my own experience, I love my experience there. We get to rotate through university hospitals, cleveland clinic foundation, VA hospital, and the cleveland foot and ankle clinic during our 3rd year so we definately gain excellent clinical exposure. I don't think its a top 3 school by all means. However, with some time invested, hard work, and dedication, you should be able to more than adequately prepared for residency years.

If you have further questions, feel free to pm me at any time.

good luck

 

[JEWmongous]

That sounds pretty cool, especially since they are moving to a new place. How is living in Cleveland? Do you get to do any clinical activites during your second year? Thanks

 

[Podman]

That sounds pretty cool, especially since they are moving to a new place. How is living in Cleveland? Do you get to do any clinical activites during your second year? Thanks

Living in cleveland is great. The cost of living is ideal and the atmosphere is generally really good because we have 2 major colleges in close proximity (Case Western and Cleveland State). In terms of clinical activities during the second year, we are obligated to do a one month rotation of standardized patients where we learn how to adequately obtain a history from a patient. We had clinic days spread out throughout the year, where we go see patients with third and fourth year students. Also, by the end of the second year, we get our ACLS and CPR course and certification completed.

 

[lillytwig]

Living in cleveland is great. The cost of living is ideal and the atmosphere is generally really good because we have 2 major colleges in close proximity (Case Western and Cleveland State). In terms of clinical activities during the second year, we are obligated to do a one month rotation of standardized patients where we learn how to adequately obtain a history from a patient. We had clinic days spread out throughout the year, where we go see patients with third and fourth year students. Also, by the end of the second year, we get our ACLS and CPR course and certification completed.

when you say ideal, what do you mean exactly? do you rent or did you purchase?? what is car ins. and all of that like up there? thanks!!

 

[OSUDDS]

when does the ocpm class fill up by?

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Usually most classes are not filled until Spring (some late winter).

 

[JEWmongous]

Hey, is the cleveland foot and ankle clinic closing when OCPM moves to the new building? Have you seen the new site yet? Thanks!

 

[Podman]

Hey, is the cleveland foot and ankle clinic closing when OCPM moves to the new building? Have you seen the new site yet? Thanks!

Yes it is closing down...and I have seen the new site and it is pretty good because the area is awesome.

In terms of the clinic situation, the third years will be going to another clinic downtown cleveland, Huron Hospital (Trauma), and the VA instead of the cleveland foot and ankle clinic - which i think is a good option for future students because you guys will be getting 2 days of class and 3 full days of clinic per week - therefore, you wouldnt need to commute back and forth from clinic to class...and the diversity of cases that you'll see will definatley exceed those of the Cleveland foot and ankle clinic.

 

[JEWmongous]

Hey thanks a lot for the info! Is the scope of practice pretty good in Ohio? I am just asking because I am from long island and considering NYCPM...and I have heard on here that you will not see as much rearfoot or reconstructive stuff when doing rotations (in NY). You know if there will be any student dorms?

 

[Podman]

Hey thanks a lot for the info! Is the scope of practice pretty good in Ohio? I am just asking because I am from long island and considering NYCPM...and I have heard on here that you will not see as much rearfoot or reconstructive stuff when doing rotations (in NY). You know if there will be any student dorms?

The scope for Ohio is very ideal - foot and ankle - and you'll definately get to see interesting cases during your rotations, especially at Huron Hospital.

In terms of the student dorms - I'm almost 99% certain they won't have dorms at the new place as they never had at the old place either. You will see most of the students living within proximity to Case Western Reserve University campus which would be a good 20 min. drive (on the highway) to the new campus location - so it is still pretty reasonable, because you can't get around cleveland without a car anyways - public transportation is very unreliable unfortunately.

 

[cool_vkb]

The scope for Ohio is very ideal - foot and ankle - and you'll definately get to see interesting cases during your rotations, especially at Huron Hospital.

In terms of the student dorms - I'm almost 99% certain they won't have dorms at the new place as they never had at the old place either. You will see most of the students living within proximity to Case Western Reserve University campus which would be a good 20 min. drive (on the highway) to the new campus location - so it is still pretty reasonable, because you can't get around cleveland without a car anyways - public transportation is very unreliable unfortunately.

ha ha this is funny, but doesnt the scope of Practice of Ohio says something like this "The practice of podiatric medicine and surgery consists of the medical, mechanical, and surgical treatment of ailments of the foot, the muscles and tendons of the leg governing the functions of the foot; and superficial lesions of the hand other than those associated with trauma."

hands? tats cool. i know these laws are actually from the time of chiropody but i just thought its funny so i wanted to bring up.

can anyone elaborate what does "superficial lesions of hand" means in terms of cases and diseases.

 

[Podman]

ha ha this is funny, but doesnt the scope of Practice of Ohio says something like this "The practice of podiatric medicine and surgery consists of the medical, mechanical, and surgical treatment of ailments of the foot, the muscles and tendons of the leg governing the functions of the foot; and superficial lesions of the hand other than those associated with trauma."

hands? tats cool. i know these laws are actually from the time of chiropody but i just thought its funny so i wanted to bring up.

can anyone elaborate what does "superficial lesions of hand" means in terms of cases and diseases.

dude you already asked that question before. Yes in the law, it does specify superficial lesions i.e. warts, grade 1 ulcers maybe, callouses - superficial means anything on the surface - no bones, tendons, or anything like that. but I don't know any one DPM treating anything on the hand unless they are looking for professional suicide. The only reason this is still mentioned in the law is because its an outdated chiropidy law - but everyone in ohio knows that you go to a derm or family practioner for hand warts NOT a DPM.

 

[cool_vkb]

dude you already asked that question before. Yes in the law, it does specify superficial lesions i.e. warts, grade 1 ulcers maybe, callouses - superficial means anything on the surface - no bones, tendons, or anything like that. but I don't know any one DPM treating anything on the hand unless they are looking for professional suicide. The only reason this is still mentioned in the law is because its an outdated chiropidy law - but everyone in ohio knows that you go to a derm or family practioner for hand warts NOT a DPM.

i know i asked, but i just wanted to ask. thanks for the detailed explanation of 'Superficial lesions". now i know it. thanks boss!

 

[flypod]

I've heard OCPM takes anyone with a pulse. BS?

 

[JEWmongous]

You said you haven't even taken ANY pre-req classes yet, correct? Then obviously you have no position to talk whatsoever. Oh wait, you talked to one podiatrist in Arizona so we should all listen to your wise advice and guidance about podiatry. So we should disregard the information from people in pod school or graduated on these forums??? Get lost little man no one wants to hear your dumb comments. Stick with flying planes.

 

[flypod]

I'd dare say that flying a jet, dealing with weather, aircraft systems, 20,000 lbs of thrust, navigating level 4 convective activity, fluid aerodynamics, and flying at 400+ MPH is as difficult as a nail surgery buddy.

In case you cant read, my comment about OCPM was a question. I think you need to learn to read.

 

[Podman]

I'd dare say that flying a jet, dealing with weather, aircraft systems, 20,000 lbs of thrust, navigating level 4 convective activity, fluid aerodynamics, and flying at 400+ MPH is as difficult as a nail surgery buddy.

In case you cant read, my comment about OCPM was a question. I think you need to learn to read.

very mature

 

[jonwill]

I think that flying an airplane is probably a bit more difficult than nail surgery 🙂

Having said that, let's please keep things civil. 👍

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Hey fly. Honest question, I heard pilots make a ton and I do realize that it is a different life and the job security is up and down but why would you leave such a well paying job??? Heck one set of stats said the piliots make the most per hour wage at about $93/hr on average.

 

[Podman]

I've heard OCPM takes anyone with a pulse. BS?

Not necessarily true. They do have to upkeep standards for the most part, but they tend to accept more students than necessary (especially near the end of the spring time) so unfortunately, we end up getting a class of 100 students at the beginning of the year where 20 of them should easily be weeded out by the 2nd year. Do I think this is fair or even ethical? Not at all, because these kids lose out on their money - they go in thinking that school is relaxed and the admission people will lead them to matriculate, but guess out - podiatric medical school is intense and our first year is jammed with alot of classed including lower anatomy - so they end up failing out. This happens in other podiatry schools (not so much the top 3 schools) - the business aspect of schools i guess.

But if you are applying or intending to apply to OCPM, I suggest you upkeep a strong GPA and solid study habbits because I'm sure you wouldn't want to get weeded out by the first semester or year.

Good luck

 

[flypod]

Hey fly. Honest question, I heard pilots make a ton and I do realize that it is a different life and the job security is up and down but why would you leave such a well paying job??? Heck one set of stats said the piliots make the most per hour wage at about $93/hr on average.

You're wrong. Pilots dont make any money this day. A first year first officer on a 50 passenger jet can expect to make anywhere from 15-18K a year.

Second year is anywhere from 30-40K.

Keep in mind that $93/hr is based on a hourly guarantee. You're only paid per flight hour which is limited to 1000 hrs per year by the FAA. You're going to typically start at $18/hr with a 75 hr guarantee.
Only the most senior pilots who've been flying for a min of 10+ years will make 90+/hr.

Captains flying for UPS, FedEx, DHL, Southwest, and a few other majors (which are very difficult to get on at) are making an average of about 150K a year.

Schooling costs anywhere from 50-100K depending on where you go.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Not necessarily true. They do have to upkeep standards for the most part, but they tend to accept more students than necessary (especially near the end of the spring time) so unfortunately, we end up getting a class of 100 students at the beginning of the year where 20 of them should easily be weeded out by the 2nd year. Do I think this is fair or even ethical? Not at all, because these kids lose out on their money - they go in thinking that school is relaxed and the admission people will lead them to matriculate, but guess out - podiatric medical school is intense and our first year is jammed with alot of classed including lower anatomy - so they end up failing out. This happens in other podiatry schools (not so much the top 3 schools) - the business aspect of schools i guess.

But if you are applying or intending to apply to OCPM, I suggest you upkeep a strong GPA and solid study habbits because I'm sure you wouldn't want to get weeded out by the first semester or year.

Good luck

Well stated, and unfortunately this is seen at most if not all of the schools. Thus my fight (whining) continues that pod schools need to continue to tighten the requirements and move toward actually comparing applicants not just blindly accepting. Also there is a major need to limit class sizes.

 

[Podman]

Well stated, and unfortunately this is seen at most if not all of the schools. Thus my fight (whining) continues that pod schools need to continue to tighten the requirements and move toward actually comparing applicants not just blindly accepting. Also there is a major need to limit class sizes.

Absolutely agreed! If we have schools admitting 400 students total (for all 8 schools), we'll be in much better shape - and it adds more competition for all residencies not just the quality ones.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

That is my number too 50 per school.

 

[OSUDDS]

what are the applicant #'s / class sizes for each school?

 

[krabmas]

what are the applicant #'s / class sizes for each school?

this has been answered before, please search SDN for it or look on AACPM.org for stats.

 

[OSUDDS]

k, i will. thanks.

 

[OSUDDS]

i found overall statistics, but not broken down by school.

 

[jonwill]

i found overall statistics, but not broken down by school.

Try www.aacpm.org

 

[OSUDDS]

OK:
Total Applicants 696
BUSGMS-318
CSPM-258
CPMS-318
NYCPM-438
OCPM-386
SCPM-378
TUSPM-352

Now can I find the class sizes somewhere?

 

[jonwill]

OK:
Total Applicants 696
BUSGMS-318
CSPM-258
CPMS-318
NYCPM-438
OCPM-386
SCPM-378
TUSPM-352

Now can I find the class sizes somewhere?

Maybe students from the respective schools can answer that question. I know at CPMS-DMU, they take 50 a year or so.

 

[JEWmongous]

I just have a question to get us back on track. Cool vkb wrote that the scope of practice in ohio includes the foot, ankle, and the "tendons and muscles of the leg governing the function of the foot." Not to sound stupid 😕 , but what exactly does the tendons and muscles of the leg governing the function of the foot mean to the scope of practice??? Does this mean that pods in Ohio can work on torn achilles tendons and the like? Does this allow superficial lesions on the leg to be treated as well? What types of podiatric procedures could be done under the ohio scope of practice (involving the muscles and tendons of the leg)? thanks all!

 

[OSUDDS]

also, how is the visit/interview there? is there an interview feedback section somewhere? i'm visiting pretty soon...

 

[JEWmongous]

bump

 

[OSUDDS]

whats the bump in regards to?

 

[Podman]

I just have a question to get us back on track. Cool vkb wrote that the scope of practice in ohio includes the foot, ankle, and the "tendons and muscles of the leg governing the function of the foot." Not to sound stupid 😕 , but what exactly does the tendons and muscles of the leg governing the function of the foot mean to the scope of practice??? Does this mean that pods in Ohio can work on torn achilles tendons and the like? Does this allow superficial lesions on the leg to be treated as well? What types of podiatric procedures could be done under the ohio scope of practice (involving the muscles and tendons of the leg)? thanks all!

My appologies, I never noticed that post/question from early on. You have the right idea about the scope with respect to the tendons and muscles of the leg. You have to appreciate that the foot has two groups of muscles - those that originate from inside the foot, and those that originate from the leg (Tibia and fibula). So, the scope gives more control to the podiatric physician in treating and assessing foot function (or dysfunction). In terms of surgical treatments, yes you will have DPMs with appropriate board certification operating on the achilles tendon.

It is certainly not uncommon to see a podiatric surgeon operating on a tendon like the Posterior Tibial (or Tibialis posterior) tendon when conservative measures fail despite the fact that the muscle itself originates from the leg.

 

[whiskers]

Not necessarily true. They do have to upkeep standards for the most part, but they tend to accept more students than necessary (especially near the end of the spring time) so unfortunately, we end up getting a class of 100 students at the beginning of the year where 20 of them should easily be weeded out by the 2nd year. Do I think this is fair or even ethical? Not at all, because these kids lose out on their money - they go in thinking that school is relaxed and the admission people will lead them to matriculate, but guess out - podiatric medical school is intense and our first year is jammed with alot of classed including lower anatomy - so they end up failing out. This happens in other podiatry schools (not so much the top 3 schools) - the business aspect of schools i guess.

But if you are applying or intending to apply to OCPM, I suggest you upkeep a strong GPA and solid study habbits because I'm sure you wouldn't want to get weeded out by the first semester or year.

Good luck

20/100 (or more) get weeded?

To me that sounds like a complete waste of student loan money resources.

I'm not sure that's what our government/the people of this country intended when the tax burden is already high enough in my opinion.

I really think any professional school should be more responsible and way more accountable than this.

There seems like so many better ways to spend tax money than what seems like a baloney grab.

 

[lillytwig]

20/100 (or more) get weeded?

To me that sounds like a complete waste of student loan money resources.

I'm not sure that's what our government/the people of this country intended when the tax burden is already high enough in my opinion.

I really think any professional school should be more responsible and way more accountable than this.

There seems like so many better ways to spend tax money than what seems like a baloney grab.

the funny thing is that this isn't even bad compared to other programs. in the north east, there is a professional school that has available 150 seats for the first year, and only 100 for the second year. tuition is much higher than that of podiatry.
on a different note, i personally will never be happy with the way tax payers' money is spent unless it is a moto-X track in my backyard...thats just me😀

 

[Ali-karimi]

wow

 

[Dr. Agape]

Hi there, I'm a third year student. The facilities at OCPM will be upgraded because the school is relocating to the suburbs with brand new facilities in the summer of 2007.

If you are visiting OCPM, I recommend you visiting another school as well just so you can have some form or basis of comparison. In terms of my own experience, I love my experience there. We get to rotate through university hospitals, cleveland clinic foundation, VA hospital, and the cleveland foot and ankle clinic during our 3rd year so we definately gain excellent clinical exposure. I don't think its a top 3 school by all means. However, with some time invested, hard work, and dedication, you should be able to more than adequately prepared for residency years.

If you have further questions, feel free to pm me at any time.

good luck

Podman,
In your opinion what are the top 3 schools and why?

 

[Podman]

Podman,
In your opinion what are the top 3 schools and why?

I personally don't like to comment regarding which schools are in the top 3 because i'm certain that this is purely subjective and I don't feel like stirring pots - as I recommend that people research all the programs and see which ones stand out...

but I will say that the elite 3 are the ones who show the most organization and consistency in their curriculum - i.e. those integrated with DO programs - why? Because they look after the quality of their education, matriculating students, and graduating students - this can be confirmed by board rates (parts I and II), residency placements, and of course the percentage of 3-year surgical residency placements of the graduating class. Those factors demonstrate the strength, consistency, and reliability of the podiatric medical program and that is why many of the posters here urge all the future students to ask those questions - because at the end of the day, you want the best program that not only will enable you to succeed but to be best prepared for residency years.

 

[Dr. Agape]

That is fair and good advice. Thank you

 

[lillytwig]

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[Podman]

I assume that you feel confident that OCPM is a vehicle that will enable its students to achieve that which you have mentioned??

I don't believe that OCPM is a top 2-3 school - however, with effort, one should be more than adequately prepared for residency training.

 

[jonwill]

I don't believe that OCPM is a top 2-3 school - however, with effort, one should be more than adequately prepared for residency training.

I've had some doctors flat out tell me that their schools were horrible (no one ever mentioned OCPM) but they were still very impressive because they understand one very important concept: Although a program can give you the necessary tools for success (some better than others), each student is responsible for his/her own education.

 

[lillytwig]

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[advisorforu]

I am curious to know why you do not think OCPM is a top school? There are only eight anyway so it really is difficult to really choose which better than what, but this is intriguing.

Anyway, I strongly believe it does not matter which school is the best, what really matters is how comfortable one is with their program and the surrounding environment. I mean 100 percent residcency placement for the past several years sure gives OCPM some credit I think though.

 

[advisorforu]

I am very confused by your responses. You seem to give OCPM a lot of good remarks, but do not consider it one of the better schools out of all eight. Could you please share why you feel that way when you get the chance? Thanks much.

 

[oncogene]

I am curious to know why you do not think OCPM is a top school? There are only eight anyway so it really is difficult to really choose which better than what, but this is intriguing.

Anyway, I strongly believe it does not matter which school is the best, what really matters is how comfortable one is with their program and the surrounding environment. I mean 100 percent residcency placement for the past several years sure gives OCPM some credit I think though.

The thing is 100% residency placement is not a reflection on the caliber of the school anymore because there are way more residency position than students. I think that the more accurate bench mark would be how many of those placement were 3 year programs and which programs have been obtained.

oncogene