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Camel said:
Too bad program directors don't get on here and anonymously post their rank lists ;-)

Wish I had some idea of my chances for each. For all I know, I was uniformly "blah" at each program and they all ranked me as mediocre, or I was uniformly "weeeeeeeeeeee" at them and they all ranked me well.
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...and it might not be uniform at all. Personally, I have a feeling some programs really like me, and others are 'meh;' with that likability being independent of that program's competitiveness. Maybe it's just me but I do think programs have different personalities and/or backgrounds that they prefer.


Anyway, here's my list with its geographical bias:

Michigan
Beaumont
Wayne State
Cleveland Clinic
Case
Henry Ford
UPMC Mercy
Cincinnati
Ohio State
MCW
Toledo


I didn't apply to any Chicago programs because I knew I didn't want to live there.
 
Darko said:
...and it might not be uniform at all. Personally, I have a feeling some programs really like me, and others are 'meh;' with that likability being independent of that program's competitiveness. Maybe it's just me but I do think programs have different personalities and/or backgrounds that they prefer.


Anyway, here's my list with its geographical bias:

Michigan
Beaumont
Wayne State
Cleveland Clinic
Case
Henry Ford
UPMC Mercy
Cincinnati
Ohio State
MCW
Toledo


I didn't apply to any Chicago programs because I knew I didn't want to live there.
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Lot of people ranking Michigan #1 here. Hopefully, we all match there.
 
Darko said:
Yes, it seems like Michigan is either #1 or #544468407. But there are certainly enough spots for all of us!
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I would say 3 or 4 out of our 15 applicants to anesthesiology at my school want to rank Michigan first. I don't know if they did, though.
 
Camel said:
I would say 3 or 4 out of our 15 applicants to anesthesiology at my school want to rank Michigan first. I don't know if they did, though.
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Interesting but not surprising. They have a great program that provide excellent training and their residents seem very happy with their choice of program. I would say that doesn't bode well with me considering I ranked them number#1 assuming your classmates ranked Michigan #1. I guess we will see come match day.
 
Well, I can't speak to that because I do not know you, but I wouldn't worry about that too much. One of them probably has a great chance because of board scores and a significant other that is already a resident at UM, don't know about the others.
 
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Camel said:
Well, I can't speak to that because I do not know you, but I wouldn't worry about that too much. One of them is probably a shoe-in because of board scores and a significant other that is already a resident at UM, don't know about the others.
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just out of curiosity what board scores would you consider a shoe-in at UM?
 
WholeLottaGame7 said:
I don't think any board score is a shoe-in at any program.
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Forgive my haste, I mean relative to the other applicants that I know of and was referring to in that post (and I agree with WLG's statement). There are certainly no guarantees, but this is one of those guys that's actually a great guy, hard worker, and scored I think well above 250s, plus has a family interest. My intention is to say that everyone that knows him would be shocked if he didn't match there. Scratch the shoe-in comment, as obviously there are a lot of people like that and certainly a lot applying to programs like UM.

In any case, I wish I could say the same about myself at my top choice.
 
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Kept geography in mind, but mostly ranked based on best fit for me. Good luck, friends!

1. Hopkins
2. Vandy
3. Wake
4. UAB
5. WashU
6. UVa
7. Stanford
8. Oklahoma
9. VCU
10. Missouri
 
1. Northwestern
2. Brigham
3. University of Chicago
4. University of Washington
5. University of Michigan
6. UTSW
7. Vanderbilt
 
All over the map...a lot about location plus some arbitrary feel for the program.

1. Vandy
2. U. Washington
3. Cornell
4. UCSF
5. Columbia
6. U. Michigan
7. Baylor
8. UNC
9. UT Southwestern
10. Iowa
11. Wash U
12. UAB
13. UT Houston
 
yasawa said:
I find it interesting that you guys are ranking places like BIDMC above the brigham and MGH and not even ranking places like hopkins and ucla in the top 5. My year, people were more concerned with big name places and it seemed like the majority of posters were ranking the elite programs in their top 5...interesting. I hope you guys arent ranking places based on work hours and anecdotal stories of "malignancy". Yeah, you may work 5-10hrs less per week at BIDMC but the training doesnt even come close to the brigham or MGH.
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Remember. There's an upcoming generation of people who are less and less impressed by prestige.. and more impressed by work-life balance. (ie. Google's style of corporate work life.. From Google's career site: "We offer our engineers “20-percent time” so that they're free to work on what they're really passionate about." )
 
MDInvestor said:
Remember. There's an upcoming generation of people who are less and less impressed by prestige.. and more impressed by work-life balance. (ie. Google's style of corporate work life.. From Google's career site: "We offer our engineers “20-percent time” so that they're free to work on what they're really passionate about." )
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You say it like it's a bad thing, but 20% free time gave Google Gmail and AdSense. 50% of their new product launches come from the free time. It's been genius for Google.
 
proman said:
You say it like it's a bad thing, but 20% free time gave Google Gmail and AdSense. 50% of their new product launches come from the free time. It's been genius for Google.
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Not my intention. I think its an extremely good thing.
 
MDInvestor said:
Remember. There's an upcoming generation of people who are less and less impressed by prestige.. and more impressed by work-life balance. (ie. Google's style of corporate work life.. From Google's career site: "We offer our engineers “20-percent time” so that they're free to work on what they're really passionate about." )
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My much admired histology/ophtho prof was also a personal mentor. His questions about my personal life/goals jolted me. "Do you want to just produce kids or raise them?"

After much discussion, my priorities are marriage, family and then career. I am NOT going to be 40 and seeking IVF or 40 and divorced because I failed to nurture the most important relationship there is...or 40 and single for that matter.

My career was never meant to be in competition with my spouse's. I'm more than willing to work 7-3 after residency so long as I get to pick my kids up from school, do homework together and have meals ready for my family.

After the 240s and great medical training/research up to this point, I hope I can pass on to my kids (when I do have them) the importance of intellectual dilligence, hardwork and persistence.
 
That being said, my list reflects the altered perspective I have acquired along the way...

In no particular order, Location and being in New England matter most, including being in CT where most of my family is:

Northeast- CT has arguably the best K-5 school system in the country; MA has best private 6-12th.
1. Yale
2. UCONN
3. BID
4. MGH
5. BWH
6. UPenn (?)


TX (spouse's roots)
1. UTSA
2. Baylor
3. UTSW


Further down
West
1. Stanford
2. UWash seattle


Central
1. UCol
2. Wash U St.Louis

We'll see what happens!
 
Eta Carinae said:
That being said, my list reflects the altered perspective I have acquired along the way...

In no particular order, Location and being in New England matter most, including being in CT where most of my family is:

Northeast- CT has arguably the best K-5 school system in the country; MA has best private 6-12th.
1. Yale
2. UCONN
3. BID
4. MGH
5. BWH
6. UPenn (?)


TX (spouse's roots)
1. UTSA
2. Baylor
3. UTSW


Further down
West
1. Stanford
2. UWash seattle


Central
1. UCol
2. Wash U St.Louis

We'll see what happens!
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didn't you prematch?
 
proman said:
You say it like it's a bad thing, but 20% free time gave Google Gmail and AdSense. 50% of their new product launches come from the free time. It's been genius for Google.
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Can this be apply to residency? 🙂
 
Here is how things shaped up for me:

1 Stanford
2 Duke
3 MGH
4 UCSF
5 B & W
6 Penn
7 Yale
8 Vandy
9 UPMC
 
Eta Carinae said:
That being said, my list reflects the altered perspective I have acquired along the way...

In no particular order, Location and being in New England matter most, including being in CT where most of my family is:

Northeast- CT has arguably the best K-5 school system in the country; MA has best private 6-12th.
1. Yale
2. UCONN
3. BID
4. MGH
5. BWH
6. UPenn (?)


TX (spouse's roots)
1. UTSA
2. Baylor
3. UTSW


Further down
West
1. Stanford
2. UWash seattle


Central
1. UCol
2. Wash U St.Louis

We'll see what happens!
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Out of curiosity, if you don't have kids yet, then why would school system (K-12) matter for a residency program? Just wondering, really.
 
McMD said:
Out of curiosity, if you don't have kids yet, then why would school system (K-12) matter for a residency program? Just wondering, really.
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Things could always change, but I intend the move for residency to be the last major one I make. Wherever I go for residency, I intend to put down roots, fellowship in that general region and focus on finding work in that area after training as well. This will mean starting a family and raising kids in that region too.

As such, I've taken a lot of factors (including school systems) into consideration and had lengthy discussions on my list.
 
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I probably represent the minority opinion here (I've never actually polled 😀) but I'm sort of in the camp that believes academic dues have been paid and other matters can take the fore. I intend to bust my balls during residency, but somewhere around 4th year, starting a family will be a priority for me (as maybe a few others in this class).

It's interesting, I've been reading through the EM ROL thread and I've seen this sentiment echoed by one other particular poster.

Hubby is done with training and so it's really pointless to drag a family around the country for one training opportunity or job opportunity or the other.

Besides, as long as it's in the U.S., I'm pretty confident I'll get good training. I may sacrifice name recognition at some point but if my focus is on the local market where I get my training, that may not be so much of an issue.

🙂
 
there has got to be more lists than this?
 
cowbydoc said:
1.UNC
2.Indiana
3.Ohio State
4.UVA
5.Baystate
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I'm glad to see that someone else out there didn't go on 10+ interviews. I think I'm still the fewest so far with four, but, given the charting outcomes data, the 10+ seems excessive.
 
wmc24 said:
there has got to be more lists than this?
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Ok, I'll bite. I've been a lurker here for the past couple weeks, trying to pass the time until Match Day. I have a sort of random list. I'm basically burnt out on living in a large city, so I mainly stayed away from them. I looked for places where you could have a life outside of residency and offered good outdoor recreation.
1) Univ. of Colorado Denver
2) Univ. of Vermont
3) Penn State Hershey
4) Univ. of Rochester
5) Albany
6) SUNY Upstate
7) Jefferson
8) SUNY at Buffalo
 
patch28 said:
I'm glad to see that someone else out there didn't go on 10+ interviews. I think I'm still the fewest so far with four, but, given the charting outcomes data, the 10+ seems excessive.
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I'm a little different than most, I'm an ER attending and I only had time for five interviews. I ranked on where I thought I could get good training and where they wouldn't kill me with hours.
 
First time poster, lurker this last month

1) UCSF
2) Brigham
3) Duke
4) WashU
5) UChicago
6) Umich
7) BID
8) OHSU
9) NW
10)UPenn
11)U Washington
12)UCLA
 
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McMD said:
I have started a family already
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aww, say hello to baby for me :hello: (or weetle cruiser)


McMD said:
I probably will move for fellowship/practicing. But the school system won't affect my situation unless I stay in that location for fellowship, then it would be a consideration at that point.
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That works too especially if your spouse's profession allows for greater flexibility. I'm the more "flexible" of the two of us, so I'm happy to take a back seat to him.

Good luck! Good to hear more female and family-inclined perspectives wrt the match.
 
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PM me if you want to know... people are starting to know who I am based on the list.

Region was definitely a HUGE decision...
 
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Miami
UVA
UTSW
Yale
Kentucky
Tennessee
Maryland
Cleveland Clinic
Mayo Clinic Jacksonville
 
Geography matters 🙂

1) Brigham
2) Beth Israel Deaconess
3) Mt. Sinai
4) Penn
5) MGH
6) Columbia
7) Cornell
8) Stanford
9) UCSF
10) University of Colorado
11) St. Lukes Roosevelt
12) Dartmouth
13) Maine Medical Center
 
1) UCSD
2) Wake Forest
3) Loma Linda
4) U Southern Cali
5) Duke
6) Cedars Sinai
7) Mayo Jacksonville
8) UNC
9) Cleveland Clinic
10) U of Texas San Antonio
11) U of Maryland
12-17 Hopefully wouldn't need to go that far 🙂

Good luck everyone
 
1. mgh
2. uic
3. u of m
4. cleveland clinic
(I forgot how 5 and after go, not as important...)

I'm wondering if I screwed myself for ranking uic above a couple higher tier programs. :scared: I felt like I vibed well with the people at uic and that the whole package was a good deal. Did I just close the door on the chance to be a progressive member of the field?
 
bohemianrapcd said:
1. mgh
2. uic
3. u of m
4. cleveland clinic
(I forgot how 5 and after go, not as important...)

I'm wondering if I screwed myself for ranking uic above a couple higher tier programs. :scared: I felt like I vibed well with the people at uic and that the whole package was a good deal. Did I just close the door on the chance to be a progressive member of the field?
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I don't know your personality, but for my part, my gut feeling makes up a large part of my decision. If you felt like you'd be happy there, then that's fantastic. It would mean more if you spent a month there and knew more about it (for example). You can still be a "progressive member of the field" and can certainly do a fellowship at a huge name if you feel that is important.
 
bohemianrapcd said:
1. mgh
2. uic
3. u of m
4. cleveland clinic
(I forgot how 5 and after go, not as important...)

I'm wondering if I screwed myself for ranking uic above a couple higher tier programs. :scared: I felt like I vibed well with the people at uic and that the whole package was a good deal. Did I just close the door on the chance to be a progressive member of the field?
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It was certainly one hell of a sales job. I was pretty impressed after interviewing there, but still ended up not ranking it terribly high.
 
Now that you all have your ROLs in and "certified", don't forget to post some feedback in the "residency interview feedback" section of SDN. I'm sure some of you utilized it in your application process, so if you can leave some feedback I'm sure future applicants would appreciate the updated information (especially in regards to the programs that have few reviews). Best of luck on the 18th everyone!! 👍
 
There are several that are not even available on the list. Wish they could be added (can they? I looked briefly but did not see a way).
 
miami
ohsu
cedars-sinai
penn
UC-Irvine
virginia mason
UW
Baylor
Ochsner
USC
UTSW
LSU-NO
Tulane
UCLA-Harbor
 
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