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Hello everyone. I am a second year who will write the exam in June 2011. Meanwhile let this be a good thread where everyone share their study progress and recent trend of the exam.
Quetsion for people who took step 1:
Just out of curiosity, how many simple, random, and maybe minute detail recall question did you miss from FA? I guess the better question would be.. how many many more questions would have gotten right if you had the "FA map" in your brain.
Talking to some people who read FA 3X times still said that they missed some stuff from FA.
Figure I'd post how UWSA 1 and 2 compare to the real exam.
UWSA 1 - 13 days prior to the exam (already finished studying by then) and it over-predicted by 3
UWSA 2 - 6 days prior to the exam...started to get bored re-reviewing...and it over-predicted by 6
So the average over-prediction was 4.5 post-studying. I went through FA many many times, which is my normal technique for block exams during school (I go through everything 10 times).
Did UWorld twice and didn't care about the percentage as I did it before I studied and then again while studying. Rapid Review path was overkill as was Kaplan qbank and NBME practice tests (only did 1 and UWSA was good enough).
Basically, stick to FA and UWorld qbank + SA1 and 2. I had several questions repeat on my exam and still missed some of them, lol. Overall happy with my score.
cliffs: don't dilute your studying by using a lot of resources. FA + UW = golden. Memorize every word from those and you will do fine. Doing well during 2nd year and getting the foundation was probably most key, but you need to know how questions are asked to succeed.
Glad this junk is over with...
So people aren't reading the blue margins for Goljan? Just sticking to UW+FA?
I don't think I'll be doing that. I used Goljan throughout 2nd year and I think that was enough for me to get a good grasp. I think all the details are in FA.
Why not UW plus kaplan anatomy?+1 to this. unless i start doing terrible in path, but as of now i have other areas to focus on...speaking of: i just started doing my final review and looking for some advice. schedule is AM: do 2-3 blocks of UW marked questions. PM: review portion of FA and do questions in kaplan qbank. So, qbank seems a little...inferior (by a little I mean alot) to UW is just about every category (I think it has good anatomy). What if I just did UW questions from that specific subject at night? Obviously I'll be seeing UW alot, but I'm not worrying about % anymore (72% first pass, pretty good trend upward). Do you guys think the Kaplan bank is a good idea, or just review UW? Thanks for any advice.
Why not UW plus kaplan anatomy?
wow I think that's a first... congrats
I remember your pic from the MCAT forums.. did you do the same then too lol
The -ONLY- thing I've seen people repeatedly say was a bit too skimpy in FA is anatomy, and even then its not horrible.
Why not UW plus kaplan anatomy?
Felt comfortable after the exam and then realized that i made have made more mistakes than I wish I had and made some stupid decisions on the test, so sort of down now.
So people aren't reading the blue margins for Goljan? Just sticking to UW+FA?
rock it!Step = tomorrow. Wish me luck folks -- will be back to share my $0.02 later.
Step = tomorrow. Wish me luck folks -- will be back to share my $0.02 later.
Yeah, I'd reference anatomy and then pretty much all the formulas in physio and biostats elsewhere. Those are the only areas high yield enough to bulk up on.
Don't eat anytihng that might give you the runs!
Good luck!
Just took Step 1 last Wednesday. This is a brief summary of my experience:
I'm an IMG from the Philippines, graduated last year. I started studying last October for around 4-6 weeks. At that time I was able to read the following books:
First Aid
Lippincott Biochemistry (very helpful, great discussion on sickle cell anemia and other hemoglobinopathies. wish i read this book during med school)
Microbiology MRS
Goljan RR Pathology
Clinical Neuroanatomy MRS
After that I stopped studying, went on vacation, didn't touch anything again until February. I went through the following at a more leisurely pace:
BRS Physiology
Anatomy Road Map
Biochemistry MRS
Free 300 questions from the Kaplan Qbank
UWorld - all questions once
Weeks before the exam I did my second run-through of First Aid, finished my first pass of UWorld, then redid all incorrect questions until I got them right. I also looked up answers to the incorrect questions on my NBMEs with extended feedback.
Here are all my stats:
UWorld average 76% (random, unused, timed) --> improved to 78% after I redid all my incorrect questions
2 months out - UWSA 2 650/248
7 weeks out - NBME 7 570/238 (29 incorrect) - old scale
3 weeks out - NBME 12 640/254 (16 incorrect)
1.5 weeks out (same day) - NBME 11 640/254 (16 incorrect); NBME 6 660/259 (11 incorrect)
5 days out (same day) - NBME 5 650/257; NBME 3 640/254
3 days out - Free 150 97%
Real deal - 256/99
I studied my ass off to hit the 260 mark but it just didn't happen. Anyway on the day of the exam I woke up REALLY early (4am), which in retrospect was probably not a good thing since I was left with just 3 hours of sleep and I was fighting to keep my eyes open by the 2nd block. Good thing I brought coffee.
The exam itself was both easier and harder than I expected. I had zero questions on pelvic anatomy. Also there were few questions on immunology, neuroanatomy, and gross anatomy, and all of them were straightforward. There were a couple of questions on lab techniques and genetics that I had never encountered before and had no idea how to answer. There was a question on a renal mass that gave no clues in the stem so you had to base your diagnosis solely on the histopathology slide. There was a question on the standard error of the mean. I didn't expect them to ask us to compute for that, and I didn't remember the formula - I didn't even know that I had to pay attention to the sample size, so I have no idea if my guess was right. Microbiology was all right, but not completely straightforward. I was asked how TB survives intracellularly and I made a very unsure guess which I was later relieved to learn was correct. But I didn't read anything about that during my review, it was just a random factoid I was able to dredge up from my memory of our basic science lectures years ago.
Question distribution seemed very random. I got 2 questions on DiGeorge syndrome just a few questions apart within a block (testing different aspects, but still) and 3 questions on mesenteric ischemia also within one block. I got around 5-10 verbatim repeats from the NBMEs (sorry, can't remember which ones) so it's probably a good idea to do at least form 11 or 12.
I guess I was overconfident with the timing because I had simulated the actual length of the exam thrice and I always finished with plenty of time to spare. On the real deal I marked way more questions than usual and spent much more time on the choices. There was one block where I didn't have time to review all my marked questions, but the rest were OK.
If I could do it over again, I'd have subscribed to at least 2 question banks since everyone who scored 260 and above on this forum seemed to do that. Also I would've started using the review books much earlier, during med school.
Thanks by the way to everyone who posted their experiences previously. I got a lot of good advice here. I wish I could fast-forward 3 weeks into the future... Good thing I'll be occupied with studying for CS and CK. I'll be taking them in the next two months. I'll post an update when I get my actual score.
I intend to purposefully make myself constipated to avoid this from happening.
Got my score yesterday, 8am EDT. 256/99. 😀 The score falls squarely within the 254-259 range predicted by my NBMEs. Glad I already have closure for this. Now I can finally start studying for CS, which I'll be taking in a week. Wish me luck!
Congrats on being done. That's totally normal. I kept remembering new questions and stressing about the additional stuff I thought I got wrong for weeks afterward, even the morning after I got my scores back.![]()
Thanks! I picked up a lot of great advice from SDN. I wish I'd known about this forum earlier.Wishing you luck! Congratulations, very nice work. 😀😀
Got my score yesterday, 8am EDT. 256/99. 😀 The score falls squarely within the 254-259 range predicted by my NBMEs. Glad I already have closure for this. Now I can finally start studying for CS, which I'll be taking in a week. Wish me luck!
Nobody can answer this because nobody knows. It's only rumored that there exist "experimental" items and, as far as I have seen, there is not an ounce of proof on these forums or elsewhere to confirm their existence. People keep bringing them up, I assume, as a USMLE defense mechanism: if you didn't understand a graph, recall an esoteric point about X bacteria, or only vaguely remember learning that muscle insertion, you can always call it an experimental and feel better about it. Just because it was not covered by FA does not an experimental item make. FA is gold, but at the end of the day it's a 150-200 page (spread over 550), $40 review book and is not intended to replace a 2 year pre-clinical med education.took the exam few days ago, was wondering if experimental questions are obvious or they can be easy, medium and hard? I'm asking because I probably missed 20 easy questions (bad 50/50 luck and changed answers... bad idea) and actually probably got most of the harder questions right.
Nobody can answer this because nobody knows. It's only rumored that there exist "experimental" items and, as far as I have seen, there is not an ounce of proof on these forums or elsewhere to confirm their existence. People keep bringing them up, I assume, as a USMLE defense mechanism: if you didn't understand a graph, recall an esoteric point about X bacteria, or only vaguely remember learning that muscle insertion, you can always call it an experimental and feel better about it. Just because it was not covered by FA does not an experimental item make. FA is gold, but at the end of the day it's a 150-200 page (spread over 550), $40 review book and is not intended to replace a 2 year pre-clinical med education.
With the standard 3 week score reporting delay, they could introduce new items and collect data from >1000 test takers in order to adequately evaluate the new questions before deciding how to grade / whether to include them. Imagine how many new items they could introduce with the yearly 8 week reporting delay in May-June.
Finally, how 'bout this for an N=1 anecdote: girlfriend and I took the exam 1 year apart and both had a question about a skull recess not mentioned in ANY review book (BRS/HY included), atlas, or even in Netter's. The question could be answered through reasoning and knowledge of skull bones, but I'd still put it at a "15% correct" type item. Was it experimental last year, both years? The likely answer is that it was introduced, evaluated, and decided to be a good question in a single year, but FA has not picked it up because it's terribly low yield and/or nobody has given them feedback on it yet.
Hmm...abdominal pains on that end are not that much more pleasant...
It's so funny how much of this thread has been dedicated to bowel control (there were some posts earlier about taking imodium).
Gastrointestinally, we are all about 80 years old right now.
It is actually the perfect segue into 3rd year. Congratulations on being done with Step 1! Now, go disimpact.
You can say that after Thursday 😀 Still got a week to go before I take the beast...
(BTW, sounds like you're going to rock step 1. Nice.)
I have mine June 15....and thanks. I prefer to maintain a little bit of an inferiority complex by believing that all of my classmates are more academically gifted and compensate by working my butt off like usual.
I also hold a bit of a grudge against a few schools for never giving me a chance, so I pretend it is like sports and that all the other teams that skipped over me can see the stats and go, "Damn, we messed up there!"
Could you explain what you mean here? What formulas for physio and biostats aren't in FA that's really high yield?
Thanks for the comfort, did you actually get those questions wrong? Bc I know I did get those wrong hahaa =/
My thinking is that there are no "experimental" questions. To be honest, I have absolutely no clue why SDN is so convinced that there are. I feel like the folks over at NBME want a nice bell curve for their test so they are therefore required to include a fair amount of impossible questions. If they didn't, they'd have a negatively skewed distribution.
So, does anyone have any reference for the existence of these experimental questions? Otherwise, I think its probably healthier to just know that there are going to be some ridiculous questions because they need to make a curve.
All that said, i'm sure there are times that if a question is deemed to be terrible, say each answer choice getting 20%, then they may remove that question. That doesn't make it experimental, it just means that it turned out to be a poorly written question.
Well ill see your "believe every question counts for something" and assume that every question I dont know on the real thing is actually experimental. So if I dont get a 280 imma be pissed and know that the NBME messed uppppp.I'm going to agree with Sheldor here. If I were an organization writing a test, it would be pointless to have a bunch of questions that are chosen a-priori to be not graded. Not only does it decrease the dynamic range of the exam but it also has a greater chance of cheating students out of points when they are, by chance, more familiar with the experimental material.
If I wanted to include experimental questions, I would simply have them all be graded and exclude the ones that are "statistically bad." These would be the questions that people get correct by less than random chance (100%/number of choices) AND there is no trend of students getting this question correct more often if they score better overall on the test (if the smarter students get this question right more often, then its likely still a valid question, just very difficult).
Until I get positive proof otherwise, I'm going to believe that every question counts for something.
I'm going to agree with Sheldor here. If I were an organization writing a test, it would be pointless to have a bunch of questions that are chosen a-priori to be not graded. Not only does it decrease the dynamic range of the exam but it also has a greater chance of cheating students out of points when they are, by chance, more familiar with the experimental material.
If I wanted to include experimental questions, I would simply have them all be graded and exclude the ones that are "statistically bad." These would be the questions that people get correct by less than random chance (100%/number of choices) AND there is no trend of students getting this question correct more often if they score better overall on the test (if the smarter students get this question right more often, then its likely still a valid question, just very difficult).
Until I get positive proof otherwise, I'm going to believe that every question counts for something.
I couldn't agree more with your addition to my original thought. I guess I am the most curious where the idea of "experimental questions" comes from? Has anybody heard this from anywhere other than SDN or "a friend" etc? I believe, and I could be wrong, that the MCAT admitted to having experimental questions, but again I could have just heard that from SDN and be perpetuating a myth, haha
I agree that it is an SDN myth. I think the MCAT having an experimental passage probably contributed to the legitimacy of the "experimental questions" myth.
Hey guys. Just took it this morning and oh it feels so good to be done.
I got a lot out of this and the 2010 thread so I'll make my donation to posterity.
Background:
ACT: 33 (wtf you're including your ACT score?)
MCAT: 38
Med 1 & 2 grades: Pass, just below average at a top 50 school. (I tend to get less than awesome grades but do well on standardized tests).
Practice Exam Scores
UWSA 1 Before studying: 209
NBME 11 2 weeks in: 219
UWSA 2 4 weeks in: 256
Free 150 5 weeks in: 260
NBME 7 6 weeks in: 235
If UWSA tend to overpredict, then perhaps my predicted score is in line with NBME 7.
Study
My school gives us pretty much 10 weeks to study if we want it. I decided to give myself about 7 weeks so I could take it slow. Most upperclassmen at my school suggested 5-6 weeks. I know I can get burned out easily and definitely can't do the 10-12 day crap you read about on here. I averaged 6-7 hours a day and maybe 8-10 towards the end.
I took breaks throughout the day and week PRN. I used the CramFighter app to track what I needed to read. I would highly recommend it.
Initially, my resources were going to be FA, BRS Phys, RR, and Uworld. I ended up ditching BRS Phys and only reading the blue notes and looking at pictures in RR. I'm not much of a textbook guy. I want things to be as lean as possible so FA + Uworld was perfect for me.
For the first 5 weeks I did FA chapter by chapter and did corresponding questions in Uworld. I tried to throw in some random blocks and did increasingly more random questions as I studied more. Usually did and reviewed one full 46 question block per day. Maybe got in an extra 23 here and there.
The last two weeks I fiinished UW, went over a good number of incorrects, and reread FA. I also spent some time reviewing a few personal weak areas. Since I got a lot faster and wasn't annotating as much, I sometimes did 100-150 questions per day.
I think my allocated study time was appropriate. If I could redo things I might shave it down to 6 weeks. I was going crazy and felt like I was forgetting lots of things. However, after going through FA again at the end I regained a lot of confidence.
The Belly of the Beast
So much easier than I expected! I felt it was easier than Uworld, but more difficult than NBME 7. More or less in line with the UWSAs. Definitely several questions I was clueless about, but none of the ridiculous quaternary Uworld questions about some downstream biochemical pathway or effect.
I'm a speedy gonzalez test taker. I finished my Uworld blocks in about 30 minutes. I slowed down a bit on the real thing to think some questions through a bit more. Marked 1 or 2 per block (not saying that's the only ones I didn't know, just the ones I needed to think about more). Did about 35 minutes per block and was done in ~4 hours.
I felt the questions were very straightforward and not tricky. Difficult perhaps, but not tricky. There were definitely questions where you needed to pick up on a semi-subtle clue to help you make the diagnosis.
I don't think I could have been prepared for the hardest questions no matter how much I studied (CSF findings in acetaminophen toxicity???).
There were lots of questions where although I didn't know the exact answer, I could deduce a very good guess from what I did know.
As far as subject distribution, I felt my exam was very balanced. No single topic stuck out to me. It was strange that I had 2 shingles, 2 ADPKD, and 2 MS questions back to back at various points during the exam.
Anatomy questions weren't too bad. I have no idea how you would go about studying for anatomy if you wanted more than what's in FA. Seems far too broad of a topic.
I was scared to death of micro and biochem. All my biochem enzyme deficiencies were pretty straightforward "what's the defect?" questions. Had a vitamin deficiency or two that were pretty doable as well.
A lot of the micro was pretty straightforward "what's the organism" but there were a few more difficult ones. Nothing too crazy about having to memorize the entire gram positive/negative algorithm to figure out the bug. One question about what kind of virus herpes is.
One tough worm question gave a detailed description of an intestinal worm in terms of its anatomy. I thought it was describing a tapeworm (that is, not a roundworm) but there weren't any tapeworms in the answer options.
Had one about how Chagas disease is transmitted. Redduvid "kissing" bug right? Options were fecal oral, blood borne, respiratory, and mosquito. Wikipedia tells me bloodborne is possible too, but that sure isn't in FA.
Conclusion
Overall, I was way too stressed out about the exam. FA and Uworld are great preparation. Be confident in what you know. It's easy to go through FA and realize how many details you don't know. Realize that you do know the classic presentations of most diseases, most common drug mechanisms, basic side effects, and basic pathology of most diseases. You don't know all the details but that's ok. I think another 2 weeks of study would have gotten me maybe 5 more questions right if I were lucky.
Thanks SDN!