Official 2013 Step 1 Experiences and Scores Thread

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I figure now is a good time to jump-start this thread.

Even though some of us who had taken the exam in late-2012 are still awaiting our scores (amid the holiday delays) and could technically still post within last year's thread, it is after all mid-January now, so it's probably apposite that we move forward and hope for a great year.

:luck: Cheers to 2013 :luck:
 
You say you have mastery. 67% on Uworld is not even close to mastery. First Aid has 95% of what's in UWorld. 67% is a long way away from mastering the core principles.

You are not anywhere near Pholston. He was in the 80s when he started obsessing over details. At that point, it was completely appropriate for him to start doing so. He was going for a big score and had already mastered the major principles. At a certain threshold, you should shift gears to mastering details -- you're not there yet, in my opinion.

It's my observation that most med students are like you, actually. They try to run before learning how to appropriately walk. This mindset hinders them from attaining their personal best potential score.


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I'm not going to get into this beyond what I've said. My advice is for others reading this forum. Clearly, you're too obstinate to modify your approach and that's absolutely fine (ha, precontemplation anyone???). A lot of people are like this in medicine.


Some people don't build their framework of information in that way. I have found for me to remember stuff, I find one specific, hopefully, unique minutia that for some reason interests me as intriguing. I then build information around that. Learning this from the ground up does NOT stick in my brain at all.

Probably because this material is significantly less intellectually stimulating than anything else I have learned.
 
I agree! Don't take that too seriously. Not everyone progresses in the same manner (and that particular manner is not the way I progress). I don't think 67 is too shabby and I do believe you have a good shake at a great score, especially if your later scores were more in the 70s and up. I wish you the best. I'll be sharing the pain this Friday, so I am going to wish myself some luck too. I'm getting together a list of "success stories" on my website for those who haven't started studying yet...maybe you can get some pointers from some of them. Anyway, I guess I'll be reporting back here in about a month. Cheers.
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Didn't ijn get in the mid 250s?

Only on SDN does a guys opinion become moot because he didn't score >260.

Time to take a break from SDN for a few weeks
 
Didn't ijn get in the mid 250s?

Only on SDN does a guys opinion become moot because he didn't score >260.

Time to take a break from SDN for a few weeks

No, bro! jin had one of the highest scores I've ever seen on this forum, 268 or 269.
and I appreciate that he comes back every now and then, like phloston and and shares insight. but sometimes people hear what they want to hear.
 
any former test takers who take the time to come back and give advice are cool in my book. everyone has their own opinions on what it takes to do well on this; as someone who hasn't take this exam yet (and am taking it in the next 2.5 months), i just hope I can follow their advice properly.

though because advice differs person to person (and they may all be successful high scorers) i guess you just need to choose what information they give you that fits you best based on your learning style, how much time you have to prepare, etc
 
Ijn reminds me of one of my childhood friends actually - brilliant, but cynical and impatient as ****. But he has reason to be cynical. He spent the two weeks before his exam playing Diablo-III for 8hrs/day and had to settle for a 269. Maybe if he hadn't played so many video games he would have crossed the light-barrier, and he knows it.

That being said, I fully stand by Ijn for having been / being such a tremendous and candid contributor to this forum.

I also respect Jonari for clearly being an incredibly driven and dedicated person.
 
Ijn reminds me of one of my childhood friends actually - brilliant, but cynical and impatient as ****. But he has reason to be cynical. He spent the two weeks before his exam playing Diablo-III for 8hrs/day and had to settle for a 269. Maybe if he hadn't played so many video games he would have crossed the light-barrier, and he knows it.

That being said, I fully stand by Ijn for having been / being such a tremendous and candid contributor to this forum.

I also respect Jonari for clearly being an incredibly driven and dedicated person.

he already crossed the light-barrier, imo. i don't know how much mastery you would need to be able to consistently hit >269. is it not just luck of the draw at that point?
 
You say you have mastery. 67% on Uworld is not even close to mastery. First Aid has 95% of what's in UWorld. 67% is a long way away from mastering the core principles.

You are not anywhere near Pholston. He was in the 80s when he started obsessing over details. At that point, it was completely appropriate for him to start doing so. He was going for a big score and had already mastered the major principles. At a certain threshold, you should shift gears to mastering details -- you're not there yet, in my opinion.

It's my observation that most med students are like you, actually. They try to run before learning how to appropriately walk. This mindset hinders them from attaining their personal best potential score.

Master you have, say you. Arrived, you have not

I love how this Step 1 culture sometimes seems like a Jedi-esque discipline. haha
 
They try to run before learning how to appropriately walk. This mindset hinders them from attaining their personal best potential score.

This is all very true. In medicine, the challenge is not the difficulty of the concepts, but the mere volume. It is very easy to underestimate the crucial element of time and try to go all for it. You really do need to make your priorities, and accept that you can't be brilliant in covering the details if you have not yet mastered the basic principles.

The problem is that they don't teach you things like this in med school, which is totally absurd. Most of the time they will give you the ridiculous advice of studying from a reference textbook. Of course everyone has their own peculiarities in their studying habits, but there IS a more or less scientifically proven way of trying to cram in your head thousands of information.
 
he already crossed the light-barrier, imo. i don't know how much mastery you would need to be able to consistently hit >269. is it not just luck of the draw at that point?

Everyone who scores <269 says: totally luck.
Everyone who scores >269 says: totally not luck.
 
Everyone who scores <269 says: totally luck.
Everyone who scores >269 says: totally not luck.

IMO when you're scoring >260s it's probably luck of the question draw relative to your knowledge holes given how few questions separate scores at that end. I'd guess it's less than 1 question to 1 point on the extreme ends. I suspect some three digits are skipped over for every testing period.
 
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3 nadh x 3 atp = 9 atp
1 fadh x 2 atp = 2atp
1 gtp x 1 atp = 1

12 atp/ac-coa x 2 = 24 with acetoacetate...

a post like this is where my step 1 spider sense goes off.

**** like this isn't tested. it's something that belongs on an undergraduate biochemistry exam or on a horrible professor's basic science medical school exam.
 
a post like this is where my step 1 spider sense goes off.

**** like this isn't tested. it's something that belongs on an undergraduate biochemistry exam or on a horrible professor's basic science medical school exam.

Yeah not particularly high yield I would think...although the correction for the NADPH and FADH ATP conversion was in the 2013 errata.
 
NickNaylor, I remember you from the pre-allo forums when I was applying. I generally considered your opinion very highly back then, and was hoping for some insight into how you are handling step 1 now?

My dedicated time starts May 13th, and am starting to formulate a schedule and feel kind of lost lol.

Thanks!
 
NickNaylor, I remember you from the pre-allo forums when I was applying. I generally considered your opinion very highly back then, and was hoping for some insight into how you are handling step 1 now?

My dedicated time starts May 13th, and am starting to formulate a schedule and feel kind of lost lol.

Thanks!

I appreciate it, but there are people that are MUCH better qualified than me to talk about step 1. I would suggesting asking them - many of whom (e.g, Phloston, ijn) post here.
 
I appreciate it, but there are people that are MUCH better qualified than me to talk about step 1. I would suggesting asking them - many of whom (e.g, Phloston, ijn) post here.

Oh cool, thanks!

Is this the topic where people post their study schedules? Or is there a compiled one that I could get more information from.
 
a post like this is where my step 1 spider sense goes off.

**** like this isn't tested. it's something that belongs on an undergraduate biochemistry exam or on a horrible professor's basic science medical school exam.


agree, there is low-yield and there is no-yield.
 
Anyone have any idea of the conversion factor to convert from offline NBME scores to three-digit scores?
 
I just have pathology left for the first review before FA and Qbanks. I really feel that minutiae that I studied in Kaplan Pharm, Biochem, Anatomy, Microcards are completely forgetten! or at least remember there is something about that word or concept but can not remember it! Is that normal? How to retain more info, guys?
 
Wow. People go crazy with this test.

I tend to agree with Radical and ijn. Everyone will have different strategies to learn but on the end the more efficient methods should be used. The vast majority of people who take step 1 aren't going to have tons of time, so if one method takes 1/3 of the time as another - that's important. In this way, it would be helpful to know how much prep time the person giving the advice and taking the advice will have. If you have 3 weeks to study, you will be limited to super high yield activities. If you have 2 months or longer of dedicated time, then things like reviewing step 2 images or clinical scenarios or jumping into lower yield material can happen because you're going to get 7 passes of higher yield stuff. Some have finished all 3 qbanks, some multiple times, done other qbooks and used tons of sources. Their approach is much different than a person with 4 weeks and FA and world.

Everyone seems to pick their Step 1 guru to listen to. In the end this is just one of the tools you use to get an interview.
 
It's funny, because even with Phlo's high score and other people I know that have gotten higher than you...yes in the 270s, have never said "learning everything is a horrible strategy".

There may be some truth to this.
 
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Anyone have any idea of the conversion factor to convert from offline NBME scores to three-digit scores?

Don't bother trying to convert the offline NBMEs to actual scores. There are hypothetical conversion charts floating around if you Google for them, but they're not particularly accurate. That's also just because the older question-styles are becoming increasingly obsolete. If you want predictions, take the online NBMEs under timed conditions. Get the extended feedback, always.

I just have pathology left for the first review before FA and Qbanks. I really feel that minutiae that I studied in Kaplan Pharm, Biochem, Anatomy, Microcards are completely forgetten! or at least remember there is something about that word or concept but can not remember it! Is that normal? How to retain more info, guys?

You haven't forgotten the info. It sits in your preconscious, not conscious, state. On the real deal, particularly late in the exam after you've built considerable momentum, certain buzzwords / question structures will trigger the information to explode to the surface, whereas before the exam you probably thought you had forgotten most things.

:laugh:

IMO when you're scoring >260s it's probably luck of the question draw relative to your knowledge holes given how few questions separate scores at that end. I'd guess it's less than 1 question to 1 point on the extreme ends. I suspect some three digits are skipped over for every testing period.

Those 7-9 questions that separate a 260-270 are divided into three categories:

1) the ******edly low-yield minutiae ones testing some pure, obscure fact

You either know it or you don't and it's not in FA. You need to have a photographic memory in addition to having coincidentally encountered the detail in the past. It doesn't matter how well-prepared you think you are. Suddenly the idiot who decided to memorize the different functions of the individual G-protein receptor subunits got his payout. On the other hand, the same idiot didn't spend the time to learn the T-cell receptor structure, but the question coincidentally asked him about the G-protein receptor instead; it was a total toss-up and he got "lucky."

2) the variable-difficulty conceptual ones that require calibration

For instance, seeing some strange lesion on a CT scan (something only someone reading thousands of pages of radiology could prepare for) and needing to infer the most likely disease process in the patient. These require a deep and broad understanding of multiple subject areas (e.g. anatomy + pathology) in conjunction with the ability to draw an astute conclusion. Questions in this category are the most painful after the exam and constitute the majority of "stupid errors" in people scoring high; the question wasn't exceedingly hard but the correct conclusion was drawn only after sleeping on it for five days. These are the ones where you say, "of course, I'm an idiot" eight days later.

3) recondite graphing / ethics / biochem questions

These require practically no external knowledge but lots of intuition. These are the "IQ" questions, and there are probably 2-3 on everyone's form. Such questions include interpreting obscure graphs or having to infer what to say to a patient in an unfamiliar situation, when all of the answers are similar. You might even get an easy biochemistry pathway, but the question requires that you figure out how combinations of down-/upstream mutations, etc., impact the effect they're looking for.

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If you want that 270, you need to answer questions in all three categories correctly. #2+3 are theoretically most in our control (i.e. just get sleep the night before). #1 is serendipity occurring in a person who studies very hard.
 
Finally sat the exam. NBME scores were in the 240-250 range but the exam was definitely a harder version of UW and I ended up making a **** ton of educated guesses after narrowing it down to 2 choices. Very few straightforward, gimme questions. To my surprise, FA didn't come in handy except for Micro and Pharm.

I hope the curve for the exam I sat is nice cause I'm sure it wasn't your standard, straight outta FA, UW kinda exam.

At this point, I'm hoping I fall within 15 points of my last NBME, which was in the high 240s. Ehh.
 
Finally sat the exam. NBME scores were in the 240-250 range but the exam was definitely a harder version of UW and I ended up making a **** ton of educated guesses after narrowing it down to 2 choices. Very few straightforward, gimme questions. To my surprise, FA didn't come in handy except for Micro and Pharm.

I hope the curve for the exam I sat is nice cause I'm sure it wasn't your standard, straight outta FA, UW kinda exam.

At this point, I'm hoping I fall within 15 points of my last NBME, which was in the high 240s. Ehh.


:scared:
 
Finally sat the exam. NBME scores were in the 240-250 range but the exam was definitely a harder version of UW and I ended up making a **** ton of educated guesses after narrowing it down to 2 choices. Very few straightforward, gimme questions. To my surprise, FA didn't come in handy except for Micro and Pharm.

I hope the curve for the exam I sat is nice cause I'm sure it wasn't your standard, straight outta FA, UW kinda exam.

At this point, I'm hoping I fall within 15 points of my last NBME, which was in the high 240s. Ehh.

Congrats on being done man, must be relaxing feeling. Did you notice anything significantly different from what you expected? (ie, heavy pharm or neuro, or lots of images, test style, etc)
 
Hi all,
First of all i hope the success for all in this exam .
im an IMG graduated 5 years ago and practice as general physician at my country .
i did my exam in thurs march 14 and took the result today morning .
sorry if my language is not perfect but english is my 2nd language so forgive me for any spelling error .

before i start my exam prep i need to tell u that nothing impossible that in 2010 i had very bad car accident with multiple facial and orbital bones fractures and 2 ribs fractures and i did 2 operation at my face and this affect my ability to study or sit infront the pc for very long time but thank god that my eyes sensetivity start to decrease gradually so i decided either to enter residency at my country that i become older or to study for usmle so dont give up and keep working hard even if u had struggles or obstacles at ur life .

so i decided to study for usmle in the end of august 2012 and i knew it will be long and hard journey for me because i graduated long time ago and i was really bad in basic material.
i picked kaplan notes and videos to start by them and i watched all the videos because i need to understand the concepts tested by usmle .
after i watched the videos i start my 1st time reading at first aid .
then i did half of uworld qbank with 58 % .
then i read 1st aid for the 2nd time with my uworld notes .
then i did the rest of u world with 64 % overall correct
then i read 1st aid for the 3rd time with my u world notes .
then i did the wrong and marked questions at u world .
then i read 1st aid for the 4th time and my uworld notes and ethical khans cases because i was weak in doctor patient relationship questions and i think it was somewhat helpful in the exam because i had alot of these questions in the real deal .
then i made the last fast revision before the exam .

my simulated exams
nbme 11 was 231 [60 days prior]
nbme 12 was 221 [45 days prior]
uwsa 1 was 252 [ 38 days ]
uwsa 2 was 257 [ 30 days ]
nbme 13 was 242 [ 16 days ]
nbme 15 + 7 was 235 + 224 [ 3 days ]
real deal was 225
i know its not from the best results but thank god that at least im not below the average .
the exam in general was not strange for me and even i expect better result , so the big issue is not the exam day itself rather that the hard job u need to prep for this exam .

N.B what im sure about it that the exam doesnt reflect the correct questions u have in the exam and dont forget that u have experimental questions that u dont know how many and which ones, sometimes easy questions are experimental.

N.B i advice all dont leave weak subjects without make it stronger because u dont know which subjects will ask more at each individual exam .

finally good luck for all and any questions ill try to help by what i know .
 
Hi all,
First of all i hope the success for all in this exam .
im an IMG graduated 5 years ago and practice as general physician at my country .
i did my exam in thurs march 14 and took the result today morning .
sorry if my language is not perfect but english is my 2nd language so forgive me for any spelling error .

before i start my exam prep i need to tell u that nothing impossible that in 2010 i had very bad car accident with multiple facial and orbital bones fractures and 2 ribs fractures and i did 2 operation at my face and this affect my ability to study or sit infront the pc for very long time but thank god that my eyes sensetivity start to decrease gradually so i decided either to enter residency at my country that i become older or to study for usmle so dont give up and keep working hard even if u had struggles or obstacles at ur life .

so i decided to study for usmle in the end of august 2012 and i knew it will be long and hard journey for me because i graduated long time ago and i was really bad in basic material.
i picked kaplan notes and videos to start by them and i watched all the videos because i need to understand the concepts tested by usmle .
after i watched the videos i start my 1st time reading at first aid .
then i did half of uworld qbank with 58 % .
then i read 1st aid for the 2nd time with my uworld notes .
then i did the rest of u world with 64 % overall correct
then i read 1st aid for the 3rd time with my u world notes .
then i did the wrong and marked questions at u world .
then i read 1st aid for the 4th time and my uworld notes and ethical khans cases because i was weak in doctor patient relationship questions and i think it was somewhat helpful in the exam because i had alot of these questions in the real deal .
then i made the last fast revision before the exam .

my simulated exams
nbme 11 was 231 [60 days prior]
nbme 12 was 221 [45 days prior]
uwsa 1 was 252 [ 38 days ]
uwsa 2 was 257 [ 30 days ]
nbme 13 was 242 [ 16 days ]
nbme 15 + 7 was 235 + 224 [ 3 days ]
real deal was 225
i know its not from the best results but thank god that at least im not below the average .
the exam in general was not strange for me and even i expect better result , so the big issue is not the exam day itself rather that the hard job u need to prep for this exam .

N.B what im sure about it that the exam doesnt reflect the correct questions u have in the exam and dont forget that u have experimental questions that u dont know how many and which ones, sometimes easy questions are experimental.

N.B i advice all dont leave weak subjects without make it stronger because u dont know which subjects will ask more at each individual exam .

finally good luck for all and any questions ill try to help by what i know .
 
also what i noticed at the real exam and i swear god for that that there are some 1 line and even half line questions and other 2 line questions and alot of 3 line questions , so i think the last versions of nbme exams reflect the exact length of the exam, the real exam is not longer .
 
also what i noticed at the real exam and i swear god for that that there are some 1 line and even half line questions and other 2 line questions and alot of 3 line questions , so i think the last versions of nbme exams reflect the exact length of the exam, the real exam is not longer .

Thanks!
 
To my surprise, FA didn't come in handy except for Micro and Pharm.

I hope the curve for the exam I sat is nice cause I'm sure it wasn't your standard, straight outta FA, UW kinda exam.

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This is the third time I hear this in the past 10 days or so. One of my good friends wrote hers yesterday and said the SAME exact thing. Then I read someone else's 'usmle experience' on the internet and they said similar things...also took the test this week. This is scary...What's going on? :scared:
 
This is the third time I hear this in the past 10 days or so. One of my good friends wrote hers yesterday and said the SAME exact thing. Then I read someone else's 'usmle experience' on the internet and they said similar things...also took the test this week. This is scary...What's going on? :scared:

i did the exam at march 14 and i think that first aid and uworld is mandatory for step 1 and even nearly they are my sole resource after i saw kaplan videos for 1 time .
 
This is the third time I hear this in the past 10 days or so. One of my good friends wrote hers yesterday and said the SAME exact thing. Then I read someone else's 'usmle experience' on the internet and they said similar things...also took the test this week. This is scary...What's going on? :scared:

I mean, this can't come as too much of a surprise. People have been widely using resources like Pathoma and Goljan to supplement FA. Surprise, surprise the two sections they mentioned FA helped in are not included in accessory pathology resources.
 
I mean, this can't come as too much of a surprise. People have been widely using resources like Pathoma and Goljan to supplement FA. Surprise, surprise the two sections they mentioned FA helped in are not included in accessory pathology resources.

i dont read goljan and pathoma because i dont have time for that but in my exam experience i think that uworld + 1st aid is the best combo for step 1 and by these tools alone u can hit the average and i got 225 by them alone and the exam wasnt strange for me in general and even expected higher result
 
I mean, this can't come as too much of a surprise. People have been widely using resources like Pathoma and Goljan to supplement FA. Surprise, surprise the two sections they mentioned FA helped in are not included in accessory pathology resources.

i dont read goljan and pathoma because i dont have time for that but in my exam experience i think that uworld + 1st aid is the best combo for step 1 and by these tools alone u can hit the average and i got 225 by them alone and the exam wasnt strange for me in general and even expected higher result
 
Do they let you review the questions from the free 150

There is a paper version of the free 150 via pdf if you want to go over the questions after your have done it with the FRED software. Same thing according to the NBME and I think it is actually 138 questions. Dunno for sure since I haven't done it yet. http://www.usmle.org/pdfs/step-1/2012content_step1.pdf

I X'ed out of UW to copy that link. I must really care for this forum. Back to my master...

PS: scroll to the bottom of the pdf
 
Finally sat the exam. NBME scores were in the 240-250 range but the exam was definitely a harder version of UW and I ended up making a **** ton of educated guesses after narrowing it down to 2 choices. Very few straightforward, gimme questions. To my surprise, FA didn't come in handy except for Micro and Pharm.

I hope the curve for the exam I sat is nice cause I'm sure it wasn't your standard, straight outta FA, UW kinda exam.

At this point, I'm hoping I fall within 15 points of my last NBME, which was in the high 240s. Ehh.

Haven't you been doing UWorld since like last summer...the only reason I'm bringing this up is that you've been doing Qbanks for like half a year now so it's pretty surprising that you'd find it so hard.
 
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